Well, Gentleman, I Finally Ordered Alpha Glass

JS8588 · Sep 16, 2024

Currently the highest quality scope I own is a Steiner Predator 4 2.5-10x42.

EuroOptic had a Demo Zeiss V8 1.8-14x50 available for a little under $2200 shipped. I'm a sucker for FUDD reticles (Duplex/German #4 etc).
I've lusted over a Zeiss V8 for about 6 years now even though I've never had one in hand.

This will cost me anything else in the Fun budget through Q1 next year, but I'm hopeful it'll be worth it.

It will be going on a RECCE/Mod H-ish build that has a 16 inch Heavy Nitrided LW 50 barrel.

So, outside of the FUDD reticle, which I know isn't to the taste of y'all here, how'd I do? Anyone else own this scope & have experience with it?

gopherslayer · Sep 16, 2024

The guys from Ovini Expeditions seem to do just fine with those setups and they dial for distance. Some of their scope were pretty well used. They always shot at base camp and didn’t have a zero shift. It’s in their videos. Bushnell must be a sponsor now. I saw a couple videos where they had a Forge on top of their Blaser

. They had to rezero.

JS8588 · Sep 16, 2024

I have 3 of the South Korean Forge scopes. A 1-8, 2-16, and 3-24. Very good for the $, but they're boat anchors. I've focused on Bang-For-Buck glass heretofore. Bushnell gives a lot of it. I'm excited to see how I feel about a real top-tier scope.

Glassaholic · Sep 16, 2024

Sounds like you did pretty good to me, amazing price on a seemingly great scope. I've been curious about the V8 1.8-14x50 as well as the Swaro Z8i 1.7-13.3x42 as MPVO options, will be curious to hear your thoughts once you get it. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that you will be pretty blown away at the difference between your Predator and the Zeiss, not saying anything is wrong with the Predator but the Zeiss is on a whole other level. Just be sure to setup your diopter correctly.

JS8588 · Sep 16, 2024

Glassaholic said:
Sounds like you did pretty good to me, amazing price on a seemingly great scope. I've been curious about the V8 1.8-14x50 as well as the Swaro Z8i 1.7-13.3x42 as MPVO options, will be curious to hear your thoughts once you get it. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that you will be pretty blown away at the difference between your Predator and the Zeiss, not saying anything is wrong with the Predator but the Zeiss is on a whole other level. Just be sure to setup your diopter correctly.

I discovered my options for mounts are either a ~$400 Eratac or ~$600 Spuhr.

Well, I should be able to afford to have it mounted on the rifle by Spring

Eh, it's only money and we only do this once.

Taylorbok · Sep 16, 2024

why are those your only mount options?

JS8588 · Sep 16, 2024

Taylorbok said:
why are those your only mount options?

36mm tube

Taylorbok · Sep 16, 2024

JS8588 said:
36mm tube

Everywhere I look says 30mm tube.

ARC makes a mount for 36mm tube if you do need one

JS8588 · Sep 16, 2024

Taylorbok said:
Everywhere I look says 30mm tube.

ARC makes a mount for 36mm tube if you do need one

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1225899-REG/zeiss_522119_9960_040_victory_v8_1_8_14.html

I want the mount to be QD. Do I need QD? Probably not, but it makes me feel better.

Im2bent · Sep 16, 2024

@Lowlight has a group buy going on a qd mount don't know if it goes to 36?

JS8588 · Sep 16, 2024

Im2bent said:
@Lowlight has a group buy going on a qd mount don't know if it goes to 36?

Tell me more

Rancid Coolaid · Sep 16, 2024

To the OP, ya done fucked up now... using alpha glass is like tasting good wine after a lifetime of Boones Farms, stay happy with the poors as long as you can!

JS8588 · Sep 16, 2024

Rancid Coolaid said:
To the OP, ya done fucked up now... using alpha glass is like tasting good wine after a lifetime of Boones Farms, stay happy with the poors as long as you can!

Eh, if it means buying one scope every 8 months instead of 2 or 3 every 4 months, so be it.

JS8588 · Sep 16, 2024

Already have a tracking # with ETA of tomorrow. The guys at EuroOptic are phenomenal.

glock24 · Sep 16, 2024

No affiliation;

https://www.longrangehunting.com/threads/zeiss-v8-1-8-14x50-cheap.366933/#post-3180462

JS8588 · Sep 16, 2024

I actually saw that earlier

glock24 said:
No affiliation;

https://www.longrangehunting.com/threads/zeiss-v8-1-8-14x50-cheap.366933/#post-3180462

stanley_white · Sep 16, 2024

JS8588 said:
I'm a sucker for FUDD reticles (Duplex/German #4 etc).

I loves me some German #4 reticles.

-Stan

Im2bent · Sep 16, 2024

JS8588 said:
Tell me more

https://gdiprecision.com/snipershide

ChrisAU · Sep 16, 2024

FYI OP even Zeiss says these are 30mm tubes.

shoots100 · Sep 16, 2024

Centre tube diameter 30 mm

Copied from Zeiss

SJC

JS8588 · Sep 16, 2024

ChrisAU said:
FYI OP even Zeiss says these are 30mm tubes.

@gr8fuldoug?

https://cameralandny.com/shop/zeiss-victory-v8-1-8-14x50-t-ill-60/22514650-c94d-0134-d73e-00163e9110c0?variation=1392445&query=zeiss&srsltid=AfmBOopOFj-5AQ3yCyw2VSRsYL9jUjRBNbq8-_UHYsDevttnSudqosBk

JS8588 · Sep 16, 2024

stanley_white said:
I loves me some German #4 reticles.

-Stan

Yeah, but I'm putting a German #4 on a "tactical" rifle. That's frowned upon these days.

ChrisAU · Sep 16, 2024

I think the original ones were 36mm but more recent production is 30mm. I’d reference your model number from your EuroOptic order.

UNRL Ghandi · Sep 16, 2024

Yes the original was 36mm. New ones are now 30mm. I had one of the 1.8-14x originals and they're awesome. Pretty beefy for a hunting rifle but i loved the illumination and mag range. Image quality is top notch and good low light performance. Only thing i didn't care for was the 1/3 MOA clicks and the bdc turrets you can trade out didn't work to my rifle's dope. Ended up selling my rifle so i sold that scope. Kind of regret it actually.

JS8588 · Sep 16, 2024

UNRL Ghandi said:
Yes the original was 36mm. New ones are now 30mm. I had one of the 1.8-14x originals and they're awesome. Pretty beefy for a hunting rifle but i loved the illumination and mag range. Image quality is top notch and good low light performance. Only thing i didn't care for was the 1/3 MOA clicks and the bdc turrets you can trade out didn't work to my rifle's dope. Ended up selling my rifle so i sold that scope. Kind of regret it actually.

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I'll find out tomorrow!

FuhQ · Sep 16, 2024

JS8588 said:
Currently the highest quality scope I own is a Steiner Predator 4 2.5-10x42.

EuroOptic had a Demo Zeiss V8 1.8-14x50 available for a little under $2200 shipped. I'm a sucker for FUDD reticles (Duplex/German #4 etc).
I've lusted over a Zeiss V8 for about 6 years now even though I've never had one in hand.

This will cost me anything else in the Fun budget through Q1 next year, but I'm hopeful it'll be worth it.

It will be going on a RECCE/Mod H-ish build that has a 16 inch Heavy Nitrided LW 50 barrel.

So, outside of the FUDD reticle, which I know isn't to the taste of y'all here, how'd I do? Anyone else own this scope & have experience with it?

If you've never looked through one, just go ahead and prepare yourself now... There's no going back to cheap shit scopes. You will be able to see things you never were able to before through that scope. The V8 scopes are insanely nice glass.

FuhQ · Sep 16, 2024

JS8588 said:
I discovered my options for mounts are either a ~$400 Eratac or ~$600 Spuhr.

Well, I should be able to afford to have it mounted on the rifle by Spring

Eh, it's only money and we only do this once.

ARC M-Brace is better than both of those... And half that price. Spuhr is known for cracking.

American Rifle Company M-BRACE Scope Mount Picatinny-Style 30mm Rings

The American Rifle Company M-Brace Scope Mount is the ultimate scope mounting system, derived from a first principle approach to defining and solving...

www.midwayusa.com

hlee · Sep 16, 2024

FuhQ said:
ARC M-Brace is better than both of those... And half that price. S**** is known for cracking.

American Rifle Company M-BRACE Scope Mount Picatinny-Style 30mm Rings

The American Rifle Company M-Brace Scope Mount is the ultimate scope mounting system, derived from a first principle approach to defining and solving...

www.midwayusa.com

That’s two. Post the name of the mount that shan’t be named again, and you’ll summon… him.

JS8588 · Sep 17, 2024

FuhQ said:
ARC M-Brace is better than both of those... And half that price. Spuhr is known for cracking.

American Rifle Company M-BRACE Scope Mount Picatinny-Style 30mm Rings

The American Rifle Company M-Brace Scope Mount is the ultimate scope mounting system, derived from a first principle approach to defining and solving...

www.midwayusa.com

Oh, I've read the reports here on the Spuhr. I'm leaning Eratac just because I *want* QD

Glassaholic · Sep 17, 2024

JS8588 said:
Oh, I've read the reports here on the Spuhr. I'm leaning Eratac just because I *want* QD

Your scope should be 30mm but ARC also makes the M10 QD-L mount in 36mm and this is a QD style mount, it is not cantilever but shouldn't be an issue on a large frame AR, I’ve used that mount just fine on many a large frame.

JS8588 · Sep 17, 2024

Glassaholic said:
Your scope should be 30mm but ARC also makes the M10 QD-L mount in 36mm and this is a QD style mount, it is not cantilever but shouldn't be an issue on a large frame AR, I’ve used that mount just fine on many a large frame.

Interesting. This is for a small frame 556 gun, but I'll look into it nevertheless!

stanley_white · Sep 17, 2024

JS8588 said:
Yeah, but I'm putting a German #4 on a "tactical" rifle. That's frowned upon these days.

That German #4 will be easily visible, without the need for batteries, in all environments, and work well under stress.

If we go to war tomorrow in triple canopy jungle we will see how quickly 20+ years of desert daylight combat and PRS matches have warped our collective sense of what a globally-useful reticle is.

-Stan

UNRL Ghandi · Sep 17, 2024

stanley_white said:
That German #4 will be easily visible, without the need for batteries, in all environments, and work well under stress.

If we go to war tomorrow in triple canopy jungle we will see how quickly 20+ years of desert daylight combat and PRS matches have warped our collective sense of what a globally-useful reticle is.

-Stan

This is why the March Dual Focal Plane reticle is so awesome in their 1.5-15x. Best of both worlds no batteries needed and super easy to see at 1.5x and all the benefits of a FFP reticle at 6x-15x.

JS8588 · Sep 17, 2024

stanley_white said:
That German #4 will be easily visible, without the need for batteries, in all environments, and work well under stress.

If we go to war tomorrow in triple canopy jungle we will see how quickly 20+ years of desert daylight combat and PRS matches have warped our collective sense of what a globally-useful reticle is.

-Stan

This is very much my thinking with sticking to simple reticles with my scopes. I live in PA. 556, in a 16 inch Carbine, has a MPBR of 300 yards. I'm not likely to ever need to make a shot beyond that. A Duplex or #4 style reticle should do just fine.

carbonbased · Sep 17, 2024

Glassaholic said:
Your scope should be 30mm but ARC also makes the M10 QD-L mount in 36mm and this is a QD style mount, it is not cantilever but shouldn't be an issue on a large frame AR, I’ve used that mount just fine on many a large frame.

Arc still makes that? Huh. I though everything they made went to the MBrace style now.

Glassaholic · Sep 17, 2024

carbonbased said:
Arc still makes that? Huh. I though everything they made went to the MBrace style now.

Still have it on their website...

M10 QD-L Scope Mount

www.americanrifle.com

I wish they would offer the QD-L option in the M-Brace as I love the quick twist thumb wheels, RTZ has been decent but I can also torque them if I want to, best of both worlds...

JS8588 · Sep 17, 2024

It was waiting on the table for me when I got home tonight.

First of all, it is the 36mm tube model. It came with rings.

Now, just looking through it across my dining room isn't going to tell me much.

First impressions? I like it. Love it, even. The illumination is Red dot bright unlike every other scope I own.

If I paid $3k+ for it, well, it would probably be getting returned. I do need to take it outside. I know it's going to show me levels of detail at distance I just won't get with the budget stuff.

For what I paid, I'm happy. My next optic purchase will likely be something in the $1k-$1700 bracket. Leaning towards a Leica Amplus 6 2.5-15x56. Maybe a Trijicon Credo.

Glassaholic · Sep 18, 2024

In lieu of the other deal listed above being 36mm only, seems like Zeiss is trying to blow these out to make way for the 30mm? Good to know they came with 36mm rings, that's a nice touch, are they Zeiss branded rings?

JS8588 · Sep 18, 2024

Glassaholic said:
In lieu of the other deal listed above being 36mm only, seems like Zeiss is trying to blow these out to make way for the 30mm? Good to know they came with 36mm rings, that's a nice touch, are they Zeiss branded rings?

Talleys. EuroOptic threw in an extra battery too.

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