Stripped rail screws how to unscrew?

RTTY · Sep 20, 2024

Hello,
I have one stripped screws on the Picatinny rail of my rifle.

I made some attemps with WD40, soldering iron, various size of torx and Allen bit, but not lucky for me.

I would make another attempt with epoxy glue for iron, placing One drop on the head of the screws for gluing the torx bit.

Guys please can help me with yours advices?

Thanks

Mbaysinger89 · Sep 20, 2024

Makinchips208 · Sep 20, 2024

If the screw itself is stripped?
If so see post #2

Use a drill bit equal to or slightly larger than the thread diameter of the bad screw.

Turn it slow, and drill right in the stripped out screw head.
It will take the head of the screw right off so it can be disassembled.

Edit: you only use this method to drill the head off of a screw that has stripped torx or hex. Only drill as deep as the head of the screw, not any deeper.

RTTY · Sep 20, 2024

Ok, but this Is the only change to unscrew tre stripped head?

On Amazon we have this kit for stripped screws , do you think about?:

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Makinchips208 · Sep 20, 2024

I’m skeptical of those, but they do work decently sometimes.
Is there thread locker inside the threads?

And a picture of the stripped screw would help make the problem more clear to us.

Ziloooo · Sep 20, 2024

Any photo?

I would try below in order:

use a more snug fit bit with impact driver (the manual one, you have to use togerther with a hammer)
screw extractor set
cut a groove using dremel tool

Redlion · Sep 20, 2024

Easy out maybe?

Sterlingb06 · Sep 20, 2024

Before going the epoxy route, have you tried using a rubber band or a pair of pliers for extra grip? Sometimes that little extra traction can help loosen them up. If that doesn’t work, heating the screw gently with a heat gun can help.

AirGunShawn · Sep 20, 2024

I suspect that is a #6-32 with a flat point. If so, i would order a 3/32 ( .0937") drill from McMaster Carr.
A #6-32 has a major diameter of .138" and a minor diameter of .106" Your left-handed drill will induce
vibrations and create heat while you drill out the set screw. As you remove material, the set screw will also
contract a little bit as you remove its center section.
Post 3 says: "Use a drill bit equal to or slightly larger than the thread diameter of the bad screw."
DONT DO THAT !! If you do that, you will drill the threads out of the mount itself!
The largest drill you would want to use is a 7-64 ( .1094") You don't want to drill any larger than the
minor diameter of the set screw.

45-90 · Sep 20, 2024

Picture?... there are tools like easy out, that do not usually work, it things are very tight, or glued in.
Depends on what, where, and the extent of the problem.
What always works on broken taps, stripped screw heads and HS tooling....is, carbide end mill, of the appropriate size in the milling machine. Ideal is a big CNC mill in the manual mode, feed set on 1/10,000, spindle 1800 rpm, coolest off, for small taps and broken drills. Never lost an expensive part with this setup. It's totally cool to feel, hear, and sense the feel of cutting hardened tool steel, with an 600 to 800 lb spindle, and a tiny carbide end mill.
Drill baby drill...
Where is the picture?
One screw just leave it, or take out the others, drill of the head with a center drill, pull of the rail exposing the portion of the screw sticking out...get a good grip with a Vise - Grip pliers, turn out the screw....if it breaks, back to drill... it's important to get the broken screw top flat, to keep a drill from wandering, off center. Back to the milling machine.

BuildingConceptsllc · Sep 20, 2024

Yeah I had to drill out screws on a rail last week. Well, I actually took it to my buddies shop for them to drill it out. They did and got it off without damage to my handgard or arca rail. I wasn't confident I could do it and not hit one or the other. Those screws can be really difficult. From now on, lock tight(blue) with correct torque, and not me gorilla fisting it on there. Don't want that again. Good luck with the drill, unless of course you somehow happen to have a milling machine. I doubt it or you probably wouldn't have asked to begin with.

Aftermath · Sep 20, 2024

Drill out just to where the countersink of the screw is gone. The rail will then lift off over the remaining part of the screw. There will be a bit of a nub of the screw left and you can likely grab that with a pliers or locking pliers to remove the screw.

Makinchips208 · Sep 20, 2024

AirGunShawn said:
I suspect that is a #6-32 with a flat point. If so, i would order a 3/32 ( .0937") drill from McMaster Carr.
A #6-32 has a major diameter of .138" and a minor diameter of .106" Your left-handed drill will induce
vibrations and create heat while you drill out the set screw. As you remove material, the set screw will also
contract a little bit as you remove its center section.
Post 3 says: "Use a drill bit equal to or slightly larger than the thread diameter of the bad screw."
DONT DO THAT !! If you do that, you will drill the threads out of the mount itself!
The largest drill you would want to use is a 7-64 ( .1094") You don't want to drill any larger than the
minor diameter of the set screw.

In this case it won’t hurt the threads (based on the op’s description). You are simply cutting the head of the screw off.

If the head is already broken off (not what the op stated) then in that case you are correct that a smaller drill bit is needed.

redneckbmxer24 · Sep 20, 2024

Aftermath said:
Drill out just to where the countersink of the screw is gone. The rail will then lift off over the remaining part of the screw. There will be a bit of a nub of the screw left and you can likely grab that with a pliers or locking pliers to remove the screw.

This. Heat the action up good around it first and use needle nose vise grips clamped on damn tight (and the right direction for the teeth) and it will come. Don’t try to use pliers with just hand pressure, all you’ll do it round off material and make it more difficult.

johnnyvw · Sep 20, 2024

Agree this is the best way to do it. I would also recommend using a cobalt centering drill...the cobalt will hold up to the steel of the screw better and the shaft of a centering drill is much larger than the actuall drilling point so it won't tend to "walk"

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RTTY · Sep 20, 2024

Hello, thanks for all the answers!

Yes I missed some datails... Sorry!

Some photos for you, the screw are recessed on the rail, so are impossible to grip them with the pression plier or some type of vice.

A friend of mine have a hobbyst milling machine but I don know wath type of bit this have.

I've buyed an epoxy glue for metal and I hink to make a test before drill the screw and fin to snap the head...

The shank of the screw are 0.134" the head 0.194"

redneckbmxer24 · Sep 20, 2024

RTTY said:
Hello, thanks for all the answers!

Yes I missed some datails... Sorry!

Some photos for you, the screw are recessed on the rail, so are impossible to grip them with the pression plier or some type of vice.

A friend of mine have a hobbyst milling machine but I don know wath type of bit this have.

I've buyed an epoxy glue for metal and I hink to make a test before drill the screw and fin to snap the head...

The shank of the screw are 0.134" the head 0.194"

You need to drill the head completely off so that you can remove the rail. THEN you can get vise grips on them.

With as fucked as that rail already is if it’s aluminum I would feel pretty comfortable chucking the action in a vise and smacking the rail with a punch and bigass hammer from the underside of the dovetail too and just sacrifice the rail. Then you’ll have the screw exposed to grab with vise grips.

Drilling the head off the screw is the safer and more delicate option though.

AirGunShawn · Sep 20, 2024

What is that stuff in the threads? Loc-Tite? If so....you used too much. If so, heat will be your friend.
What size is the screw? I only use #222 purple for gun screws. I often use Bow String wax on baby screws.

* Drill it out with a left-hand drill bit. Heat and vibration. It looks like you still have the center line of the screw
to align your drill bit.
* Try an Easy -out. Trade size #1? See McMaster Carr.
* Mill or drill the entire head off of the screw. You will still need to remove the threaded section from your rifle.
Once the rail is removed, some threads will remain sticking out.
* TIG weld a nut onto the exposed threads.
I would try the first two before I took it to a machine shop. But I have the LH drills and easy outs.
Be sure to exercise good judgment so that you don't make things worse.

redneckbmxer24 · Sep 20, 2024

AirGunShawn said:
What is that stuff in the threads? Loc-Tite? If so....you used too much. If so, heat will be your friend.
What size is the screw? I only use #222 purple for gun screws. I often use Bow String wax on baby screws.

* Drill it out with a left-hand drill bit. Heat and vibration. It looks like you still have the center line of the screw
to align your drill bit.
* Try an Easy -out. Trade size #1? See McMaster Carr.
* Mill or drill the entire head off of the screw. You will still need to remove the threaded section from your rifle.
Once the rail is removed, some threads will remain sticking out.
* TIG weld a nut onto the exposed threads.
I would try the first two before I took it to a machine shop. But I have the LH drills and easy outs.
Be sure to exercise good judgment so that you don't make things worse.

That’s a lot of loctite?

I’m not sure what’s funnier, that or suggesting this guy tig weld a nut on some fuck up threads (good luck!) like this guy has a tig when it’s to this point.

All he needs to do is monkey that screw head off one way or another so he can grab the remaining stud with vise grips once the rail is off and it will come right the fuck out.

johnnyvw · Sep 20, 2024

Looks like those screws have a taper under the head. If so, most likely you don't need (or want) to tighten those as much as a regular headed screw. If you are replacing them with the same screws, I'm assuming that's what the manufacturer of the rail supplied and I would double check with them on the recommended torque value. We had a lot of them on the Swiss made machines I used to work on, and they are a PIA to get out sometimes, especially if Mongo put a wrench to them

ma smith · Sep 20, 2024

The first thing you need to do is figure out why you stripped the screw.

Terry Cross · Sep 20, 2024

Get a new condition Torx bit of whatever size that is.
Grind the tip of it slightly to take the taper/chamfer off of the leading edges.

Install it into a tool like this: https://www.grainger.com/product/60...VBHJ_AB2PCDmBEAQYASABEgLw1fD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

If you have access to a soldering gun, soldering iron or woodburning tool, turn the tool on the highest heat and touch the tip to the head of your stripped out base screw for a couple of minutes. If there is any thread locker on the threads, this will soften it.

Remove the heat source from the screw head and quickly engage your new Torx bit while the screw is still hot and give the impact driver a few good smacks. The sharpened drive bit should bite what is left of your drive recess and hopefully get it broken loose.

I have done the same thing using a ground tip on a standard T15 driver and smacking the top of it with a small mallet, then turning counterclockwise while putting a good bit of down force on the tool to retain the bite between the drive head and fastener.

If this fails, THEN you could try to drill it out.

RTTY · Sep 20, 2024

Hello,
the rail was mounted from the factory like optional.
It is possible that was used some type of thread locker, but I don't know what...

I would to dismount the rail because I've an idea that the rail are bended...
At 100m the windage for zeroing are about 23MOA...
So if the rail (iron) broken are no worry for me.

I tink that the screw are #6-48, the body is 0.134" and the head is 0.194" on diameter.

Thank for all the answers.

strikeeagle1 · Sep 20, 2024

For gunsmith size fasteners I have found the Grab-It brand the best.
Just one example.
Finally, replace hex head fasteners with torx!

IMG_7056 copyGrab-It Extractors copy.JPG

Mbaysinger89 · Sep 20, 2024

For fucks sake, this isnt brain sergary, git da hed of. Taik of rale, get skrew owt.

Or learn english. Its a tiny little screw inside an action meant to withstand tens of thousands of psi. Cutting a head off a screw isnt going to hurt anything as long as you aren't gorilla fisted.

Edsel · Sep 20, 2024

Mbaysinger89 said:
For fucks sake, this isnt brain sergary, git da hed of. Taik of rale, get skrew owt.

Or learn english.

Well, will you look at that.

Another one of those.

A big assumption, yes - but I suppose this IS the America of today.

Arrogance mated with delusions of exceptionalism whilst not having any true substance behind it.

RTTY said:
Estrattore Di Viti, [22 Pcs] Diyife Estrattore di viti Jellas, Set Di Estrattori Di Bulloni Danneggiati Dispositivo Di Rimozione Bullone Rotto In Acciaio H.S.S per Danneggiati/Spellati https://amzn.eu/d/6QSENmU

@RTTY

Ciao!

While I cannot independently confirm the nationality of the trash above, let me extend apologies on behalf of the rest of us - and express admiration for your command over what ostensibly is a second language to yourself.

Many of these angry little losers haven’t seen what lies beyond their own country, oftentimes not even beyond their own little states.

Please exercise some tolerance and patience with these types.

ma smith · Sep 20, 2024

OP non english speaker, its in his profile. Don't be a jack ass about it.

carry on

Edsel · Sep 20, 2024

I was about to suggest - if the Picatinny rail is aluminum / cheap / replaceable - you can go to town (figure of speech: exercise no restraints) as far as drilling away the screw heads (in this case, you are totally destroying them) are concerned, lift the damaged rail away, and use pliers to twist off the stubs that remain.

Mbaysinger89 · Sep 20, 2024

My bad, its been brought to my attention that you aren't english speaking. So fuck me saying learn english. Look, dont make it so hard. Its a gun, if you're careful drilling the head off a screw it's no big deal.

You want to do epoxy, go for it. Want to learn to tig weld a nut; go all in. $6k later in a welder and material and maybe you'll be comfortable inducting that kind of heat to a rifle. Make a mess and be happy. Spend $200 on a gunsmith to get it out.

My mistake, but bejesus it isn't a complicated woman; its a hunk of steel made to withstand unbeleavable pressure a head off a screw isn't going to change that.

Aftermath · Sep 20, 2024

AirGunShawn said:
I suspect that is a #6-32 with a flat point. If so, i would order a 3/32 ( .0937") drill from McMaster Carr.
A #6-32 has a major diameter of .138" and a minor diameter of .106" Your left-handed drill will induce
vibrations and create heat while you drill out the set screw. As you remove material, the set screw will also
contract a little bit as you remove its center section.
Post 3 says: "Use a drill bit equal to or slightly larger than the thread diameter of the bad screw."
DONT DO THAT !! If you do that, you will drill the threads out of the mount itself!
The largest drill you would want to use is a 7-64 ( .1094") You don't want to drill any larger than the
minor diameter of the set screw.

That's some actual ghost writer stuff right there.

RTTY · Sep 21, 2024

strikeeagle1 said:
For gunsmith size fasteners I have found the Grab-It brand the best.
Just one example.
Finally, replace hex head fasteners with torx!

...

Hello,
please how I can find this bits that I can purchased from Italy.
Some vendors not ship International or the goods have some type of National exporting restriction.

The screws measures on the body diameter 0.134" so i presume are #6 screws and the length of the shaft under the tapered head are 0.127".
What measures corresponding?

My screws are torx but also the torx have limitation....

Thanks

RTTY · Sep 21, 2024

Mbaysinger89 said:
For fucks sake, this isnt brain sergary, git da hed of. Taik of rale, get skrew owt.

Or learn english. Its a tiny little screw inside an action meant to withstand tens of thousands of psi. Cutting a head off a screw isnt going to hurt anything as long as you aren't gorilla fisted.

Hello, please do you referring at my posts?

RTTY · Sep 21, 2024

Edsel said:
.....

@RTTY

Ciao!

While I cannot independently confirm the nationality of the trash above, let me extend apologies on behalf of the rest of us - and express admiration for your command over what ostensibly is a second language to yourself.

Many of these angry little losers haven’t seen what lies beyond their own country, oftentimes not even beyond their own little states.

Please exercise some tolerance and patience with these types.

@Edsel
You are a very gentleman.

No problem this situation are common also on Italy.
some children become men, some do not.
It's normal unfortunately, there is a lack of civic education and attention for others.

In my area there are some military, English and Canadian cemeteries dating back to the Second World War.
In these there are the tombs of boys from many nations, they went to fight and die to defend the rights and freedom of people they didn't even know.
The times I went to visit them I can't help but have tears in my eyes.

This is why sometimes I don't understand why having an act of kindness and education can be so difficult, especially for a people like the Americans (and all the various nationalities of the people who made them great).

But it's a question of education...

p.s.:I try to refine my thinking with Google translator

RTTY · Sep 21, 2024

ma smith said:
OP non english speaker, its in his profile. Don't be a jack ass about it.

carry on

RTTY · Sep 21, 2024

Edsel said:
I was about to suggest - if the Picatinny rail is aluminum / cheap / replaceable - you can go to town (figure of speech: exercise no restraints) as far as drilling away the screw heads (in this case, you are totally destroying them) are concerned, lift the damaged rail away, and use pliers to twist off the stubs that remain.

No, are a iron rail.

How I can retain there on the milling machine vise?

If my friend can I drill the screws head with a 5mm flat end mill, and so leave the rail.
With the 100w iron solder heat the screws and remove it with a plier with no resistance...

RTTY · Sep 21, 2024

Mbaysinger89 said:
My bad, its been brought to my attention that you aren't english speaking. So fuck me saying learn english. Look, dont make it so hard. Its a gun, if you're careful drilling the head off a screw it's no big deal.

You want to do epoxy, go for it. Want to learn to tig weld a nut; go all in. $6k later in a welder and material and maybe you'll be comfortable inducting that kind of heat to a rifle. Make a mess and be happy. Spend $200 on a gunsmith to get it out.

My mistake, but bejesus it isn't a complicated woman; its a hunk of steel made to withstand unbeleavable pressure a head off a screw isn't going to change that.

I understand your thoughts and advice.
But I don't understand why you have to express them this way.
You could be allowed to do it with your father, your brother or a close friend, and I repeat you could because I would never allow myself to express myself like this without reason with my father.
But with a person with whom you have no close relationship, long-standing acquaintance, I do not consider it appropriate, civilized, unless you live in a forest isolated from civilization without the possibility of interacting with other human beings.

Maybe if we know each other in person we like each other but I don't see it possible like this.

Terry Cross · Sep 21, 2024

RTTY said:
Hello,
please how I can find this bits that I can purchased from Italy.
Some vendors not ship International or the goods have some type of National exporting restriction.

The screws measures on the body diameter 0.134" so i presume are #6 screws and the length of the shaft under the tapered head are 0.127".
What measures corresponding?

My screws are torx but also the torx have limitation....

Thanks

Hello RTTY.

Look through the information, do your research and decide what tools you think would have the best possibility of removing your damaged screw.

Send me a list of whatever you cannot source easily in your country.
I will acquire what you cannot and send to you.

[email protected]

RTTY · Sep 21, 2024

Terry Cross said:
Hello RTTY.

Look through the information, do your research and decide what tools you think would have the best possibility of removing your damaged screw.

Send me a list of whatever you cannot source easily in your country.
I will acquire what you cannot and send to you.

[email protected]

Hello Mr. Cross,
thanks for you support!
Can you tell me the sites for looking the staff necessary for ligh gunsmithing?
I normally buy from Brownells for the staff that are not availlable on Italy...

I find some bits like yours on UK, but not Allen brands but Boa brand:

https://www.sautershop.com/screw-extractor-set-boa-grabit-micro

Ciao

Terry Cross · Sep 21, 2024

RTTY said:
Hello Mr. Cross,
thanks for you support!
Can you tell me the sites for looking the staff necessary for ligh gunsmithing?
I normally buy from Brownells for the staff that are not availlable on Italy...

I find some bits like yours on UK, but not Allen brands but Boa brand:

https://www.sautershop.com/screw-extractor-set-boa-grabit-micro

Ciao

Brownells and Midway for gun smithing specific parts.
McMaster Car and MSC Industrial for other specialized tools.

Do you have access to a drill press or vertical mill?

If so, I will just order what I think would be worth trying and send to you.

Baron23 · Sep 21, 2024

Mbaysinger89 said:
For fucks sake, this isnt brain sergary, git da hed of. Taik of rale, get skrew owt.

Or learn english. Its a tiny little screw inside an action meant to withstand tens of thousands of psi. Cutting a head off a screw isnt going to hurt anything as long as you aren't gorilla fisted.

You’re fucking moron.

TheOE800 · Sep 21, 2024

Terry Cross said:
Hello RTTY.

Look through the information, do your research and decide what tools you think would have the best possibility of removing your damaged screw.

Send me a list of whatever you cannot source easily in your country.
I will acquire what you cannot and send to you.

[email protected]

Baron23 said:
You’re fucking moron.

These are the two realest posts in this thread.

Baron23 · Sep 21, 2024

Terry Cross said:
Hello RTTY.

Look through the information, do your research and decide what tools you think would have the best possibility of removing your damaged screw.

Send me a list of whatever you cannot source easily in your country.
I will acquire what you cannot and send to you.

[email protected]

This ^^ is the definition of being a stand up guy.

Aftermath · Sep 21, 2024

Terry Cross said:
Hello RTTY.

Look through the information, do your research and decide what tools you think would have the best possibility of removing your damaged screw.

Send me a list of whatever you cannot source easily in your country.
I will acquire what you cannot and send to you.

[email protected]

Terry Cross said:
Brownells and Midway for gun smithing specific parts.
McMaster Car and MSC Industrial for other specialized tools.

Do you have access to a drill press or vertical mill?

If so, I will just order what I think would be worth trying and send to you.

Baron23 said:
This ^^ is the definition of being a stand up guy.

Definitely.

MarshallDodge · Sep 21, 2024

@RTTY

Ciao! In quale regione vivi?

I did not see this mentioned here, but sometimes a left hand drill bit will work for this purpose. Do you have a machine supply store local to you?

The idea is that the left hand drill will begin to cut the steel in the screw, and hopefully catch an edge and unscrew the problem.

Baron23 · Sep 22, 2024

I was going to be suggest a manual impact driver if there is any torx left in the head at all but the esteemable @Terry Cross beat me to it. If the is anything to grip at all, I’d at least try this first.

I’m 72 and still have one from when I was a teen. Used to use it to get motorcycle engine side covers off. A good whack with a hammer would break the bolts loose. Looks like this

Klein Tools 70220 Impact Driver, Reversible Driver Set 3/8-Inch Drive Adapter

strikeeagle1 · Sep 22, 2024

I like the Laser Micro impact driver as it seems more proportionate for gunsmith sized screws and can fit in tighter spaces.

strikeeagle1 · Sep 22, 2024

MarshallDodge said:
I did not see this mentioned here, but sometimes a left hand drill bit will work for this purpose.

Like most extractors, the Grab-It's mentioned above (post #24) you can see they have a left hand drill bit on one end and a left hand twist on the other. Use with cordless drill put in reverse mode for the 2-step operation, drill then extract.

MarshallDodge · Sep 22, 2024

strikeeagle1 said:
Like most extractors, the Grab-It's mentioned above (post #24) you can see they have a left hand drill bit on one end and a left hand twist on the other. Use with cordless drill put in reverse mode for the 2-step operation, drill then extract.

The OP wasn't sure if he could get a Grab-It in Italy.

RTTY · Sep 22, 2024

MarshallDodge said:
@RTTY

Ciao! In quale regione vivi?

I did not see this mentioned here, but sometimes a left hand drill bit will work for this purpose. Do you have a machine supply store local to you?

The idea is that the left hand drill will begin to cut the steel in the screw, and hopefully catch an edge and unscrew the problem.

Ciao vivo in Abruzzo.

Yes, I looked one one on eBay.

RTTY · Sep 22, 2024

Baron23 said:
I was going to be suggest a manual impact driver if there is any torx left in the head at all but the esteemable @Terry Cross beat me to it. If the is anything to grip at all, I’d at least try this first.

I’m 72 and still have one from when I was a teen. Used to use it to get motorcycle engine side covers off. A good whack with a hammer would break the bolts loose. Looks like this

Hello, the torx on the head are KO!

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