Help Me Pick Rangefinding Binos (2024/2025)

Secant · Sep 26, 2024

I have an older set of Leica HD-Bs, and I've been looking to find something worth replacing them with. Like a lot of people here, I use them for hunting and general glassing, but I also want a solid laser that can reliably hit small steel targets at distance with an integrated ballistics solver (that does not need to BT to another device). I'd prefer AB, but it's not a deal killer. I was set on picking up a pair of the Vector X's when they became available, and my hope was that the Vectors would bridge the gap between the gamer options and the hunting options, but I'm re-evaluating. Potential options that I'm considering are (not necessarily on this order):

I saw some conflicting info on some of these units regarding beam divergence, so maybe this table is not completely accurate

Vectronix Vector X ($2,799 + $600 enhancers)
Not a ton of info out yet regarding general production units. Pre-production and influencer type reviews indicate that the laser is great, I like the display readout, and it sounds like glass is good (probably not on par with alpha bino RF?).

Currently they are unobtanium. Previous comments related to civilian sales support is poor. I don't care that much about the etched reticle - it will get occasional use, but I'll glass more than I use the reticle so I'd probably prefer clean optics. Some of the comments in the Vector X threads so far have me second guessing quality of these units (but that's probably not a fair assessment at this point). I like the prospect of throwing the enhancers in my backpack to use while tripod mounted.

Revic BLR10b ($2,425.50)
A little more info on these than the Vectors, but still not a ton. Sounds like laser is good, I'm okay with display, and glass sounds like it's okay (but not competing with the top 3). I don't want to rely on a BT connection for the ballistics, and my understanding is that these can function independently, is that right? I'm luke warm on this option, but can't actually say why. I haven't used a set myself, but part of me thinks if I were to go this route, I should just grab the vortex AB option for almost half the price and wait for a future option with better optics.

Leica 3200.com OR PRO ($2,000 - ~$2500 + AB upgrade)
I've been really happy with the optics in my older HD-B's, so I'm inclined to grab another set of Leica's. The .Coms have better beam divergence than the Pros, but I'd prefer the AB solver in the Pros as well as the ability to receive a solution beyond 1,000 yards (I'd upgrade the Pros to AB Elite). The Leica solver I use in the HD-Bs is workable, but honestly it's kinda shit. I believe the Pros have the largest beam divergence of any option I'm considering. I also don't like how long you have to wait for the range display to cycle to the ballistic solution display (why wouldn't they display both on the initial screen?!). My understanding is that these Leica's will be optically superior to the Vector & Revics, which is appealing.

If Leica would upgrade their laser and provide additional display options, I'd happily pay more to have high level optics with a high performing laser/ballistics solver.

Swaro EL Range TA ($3,150)
I haven't looked into this option too much. Previously, Swaro's lasers seemed to be lacking and their in-house ballistic app was shit. Optics should be among the best of the group. I'm most leary of the ballistics solver and display at this point. I've looked at some of the specs, and I don't see anything that would steer me towards Swaro over Leica, but maybe I'm missing something.

Zeiss Victory RF ($3,099)
Similar to the Leica & Swaro, I think the pro with these will be the optics, and the potential con is going to be the ballistic solver, readout, and the laser is not as good as other options.

Vortex Fury 5000 AB ($1,350)
These would be a place holder until 'something better' came along. You could probably substitute these Vortex units with a host of other options. There's a pretty low probability that I'd go this route especially since I haven't heard of anything concrete on the horizon.

I've watched a handful of YouTube videos, I've read some reviews, and I've had hands on with only a couple of these units, but nothing really jumps out as THE choice. It's kinda crazy that Sig or Vortex (or some other company) doesn't offer a high quality optics choice or that Swaro/Leica/Zeiss doesn't offer a better laser/readout option.

Anyone have any great insights?? I know a lot of people are in the same boat, what did you pick and why?

carbonbased · Sep 26, 2024

What do you hunt, and at what distance?

Don’t think there’s anything out there that really hits your mark quite yet. I too am disquieted by some of the feedback about the VectorX.

I’ll throw out what I did. It doesn't exactly conform to your specs, but maybe it will be a helpful perspective.

I’m interested in shooting small varmints out to 500-ish yds, mainly in the summer on flat terrain.

After some testing, I found that a 15x bino replaced my spotter. The only true 15x LRF bino (no screw-ons) is the Leica Geovid-R. The glass is very good. 99% sure there are no ballistics onboard, but I don’t care as I use a dope card on my scope and sometimes a wind rose (usually not).

It doesn’t have a laser as good as my non-AB Furys, but for the job I have for it, the Geovid-R’s work very well.

Taylorbok · Sep 26, 2024

I'm super happy with my Sig 10k's, the gen 2 looks even better.
As for ranging capability none of the others have stacked up (swaro, leica, or Vortex). Obviously I haven't had my hands on the Vector X yet.

Some of the other glass is for sure nicer but the sig is good enough for me. I'm no snob.

carbonbased · Sep 26, 2024

Taylorbok said:
I'm super happy with my Sig 10k's, the gen 2 looks even better.
As for ranging capability none of the others have stacked up (swaro, leica, or Vortex). Obviously I haven't had my hands on the Vector X yet.

Some of the other glass is for sure nicer but the sig is good enough for me. I'm no snob.

If I prized a great laser, having an onboard ballistic solver, and a forever warranty then I think the Sig Gen 2 is prob the way I’d go for a 10x bino.

Getting great glass in there is (obviously) still the prob that @Secant is mulling over.

The VectorX sounds good, but I wish they just had made a straight-up 17x bino (or 15x) instead of attempting the screw-in range enhancers. Sounds like they might darken the image too much. A 12x42 that turns into a 17x42…hmmm…well, my Leicas are a 15x56 for comparison. Way more light getting in.

And by having an etched reticle (vs digital) they needed to have two reticles for two magnifications. I think that’s kinda confusing. Can’t adjust the reticle to line up the the actual laser point either.

carbonbased · Sep 26, 2024

You know, thinking about it, I don’t know if the Sig 10k Gen 2 needs to be BT to an app for ballistics. Does the Gen 1? I seem to remember that the Gen 1 does.

TriggerJerk! · Sep 26, 2024

I use my Leica 3200 10x to glass everything, work and play. If you spend a lot of time using the binos, then I would recommend the Leica. The rangefinder is good and the built range app matches what I get in AB (using Leica 3200 and Leica Ballistics on an iPhone).

My 2 cents.

Taylorbok · Sep 26, 2024

carbonbased said:
You know, thinking about it, I don’t know if the Sig 10k Gen 2 needs to be BT to an app for ballistics. Does the Gen 1? I seem to remember that the Gen 1 does.

Both gen 1 and 2 have an internal ballistic calculator.

They have the option to pair to a kestrel if you like, which I do for NF ELR match and leave my kestrel on a wind vane. Gives me a good starting point for wind and can make manual adjustments from there.

Secant · Sep 26, 2024

carbonbased said:
What do you hunt, and at what distance?

Don’t think there’s anything out there that really hits your mark quite yet. I too am disquieted by some of the feedback about the VectorX.

I’ll throw out what I did. It doesn't exactly conform to your specs, but maybe it will be a helpful perspective.

I’m interested in shooting small varmints out to 500-ish yds, mainly in the summer on flat terrain.

After some testing, I found that a 15x bino replaced my spotter. The only true 15x LRF bino (no screw-ons) is the Leica Geovid-R. The glass is very good. 99% sure there are no ballistics onboard, but I don’t care as I use a dope card on my scope and sometimes a wind rose (usually not).

It doesn’t have a laser as good as my non-AB Furys, but for the job I have for it, the Geovid-R’s work very well.

On the hunting side, it’s deer/elk/antelope. Primarily spot and stalk, but occasionally long glassing sessions. I'd swag taht 95% of opportunities are typically 500 yards and in. Packing a spotter or 15’s isn’t worth it for where/how I hunt. The weight/size of the Vector enhancers seems like it would pair well with how I hunt/glass. Outside of shooting/hunting, I also use binos hiking or at national parks or whatever.

Taylorbok said:
I'm super happy with my Sig 10k's, the gen 2 looks even better.
As for ranging capability none of the others have stacked up (swaro, leica, or Vortex). Obviously I haven't had my hands on the Vector X yet.

Some of the other glass is for sure nicer but the sig is good enough for me. I'm no snob.

The blue hue is really noticeable to me. Maybe I’m a snob or just sensitive, but long glassing sessions were a no go for me. The Gen 2’s weren’t listed, but I have thought about those as well.

carbonbased said:
If I prized a great laser, having an onboard ballistic solver, and a forever warranty then I think the Sig Gen 2 is prob the way I’d go for a 10x bino.

Getting great glass in there is (obviously) still the prob that @Secant is mulling over.

The VectorX sounds good, but I wish they just had made a straight-up 17x bino (or 15x) instead of attempting the screw-in range enhancers. Sounds like they might darken the image too much. A 12x42 that turns into a 17x42…hmmm…well, my Leicas are a 15x56 for comparison. Way more light getting in.

And by having an etched reticle (vs digital) they needed to have two reticles for two magnifications. I think that’s kinda confusing. Can’t adjust the reticle to line up the the actual laser point either.

My initial thought was that the 12's + enhancers would lead to eye fatigue, but my hope was that 14x42 would be workable enough for how I would use them. I agree that an etched reticle is more in the con column for me, and I would prefer a digital/programable reticle that could be calibrated. I wouldn't use the scales to flash mil anything, and I would sparingly use the scales to call corrections. I was leaning towards the SMR reticle simply for cleaner optics.

carbonbased said:
You know, thinking about it, I don’t know if the Sig 10k Gen 2 needs to be BT to an app for ballistics. Does the Gen 1? I seem to remember that the Gen 1 does.

That would be a deal killer for me. While hunting, my phone is typically on airplane or off. I do carry a kestrel, but I don't want to rely on that connection.

TriggerJerk! said:
I use my Leica 3200 10x to glass everything, work and play. If you spend a lot of time using the binos, then I would recommend the Leica. The rangefinder is good and the built range app matches what I get in AB (using Leica 3200 and Leica Ballistics on an iPhone).

My 2 cents.

Yeah, I can get the shitty Leica solver to line up easily with AB. But at this point, the Leica solver is definitely well within legacy tech territory. For me, the solver is less of an issue while hunting, but becomes more problematic on the shooting side.

Taylorbok · Sep 26, 2024

Secant said:
The blue hue is really noticeable to me. Maybe I’m a snob or just sensitive, but long glassing sessions were a no go for me. The Gen 2’s weren’t listed, but I have thought about those as well.

the very first time I looked through them I was sad, I got used to it that day, spent a ton of time on them. Now I don't even notice it, actually to the point its almost weird when I look through someone else's bino's and they don't have it. Everyone I've talked to seems to say that it's basically completely gone with the Gen 2.

Secant · Sep 26, 2024

Taylorbok said:
the very first time I looked through them I was sad, I got used to it that day, spent a ton of time on them. Now I don't even notice it, actually to the point its almost weird when I look through someone else's bino's and they don't have it. Everyone I've talked to seems to say that it's basically completely gone with the Gen 2.

I've heard the same about the Gen 2's, I need to check around and see if anyone stocks them anywhere near me. Or maybe one of the optics rental places have them, and I could compare optics for myself over varying conditions. I prefer the Vector X readout display, but that's just being nitpicky and both are better than having to wait on the display to cycle to the next page to the ballistics.

Taylorbok · Sep 26, 2024

Secant said:
I've heard the same about the Gen 2's, I need to check around and see if anyone stocks them anywhere near me. Or maybe one of the optics rental places have them, and I could compare optics for myself over varying conditions. I prefer the Vector X readout display, but that's just being nitpicky and both are better than having to wait on the display to cycle to the next page to the ballistics.

Also if you shoot any matches might be able to pick up a Sig cert, seems to be some at almost every match.

carbonbased · Sep 26, 2024

Taylorbok said:
Both gen 1 and 2 have an internal ballistic calculator.

Maybe I was thinking that the Sig couldn’t pass DOF to the Kestrel? Like sig didn’t pay some licensing fee of something. See this chart for a bit older but still relevant info:

Compare some of the top laser range finders - Kestrel Ballistics

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Taylorbok said:
They have the option to pair to a kestrel if you like, which I do for NF ELR match and leave my kestrel on a wind vane. Gives me a good starting point for wind and can make manual adjustments from there.

Wait! Maybe it was that you couldn’t mess with the Sig app it unless the binos were currently connected? Maybe they fixed that in firmware; if not, did they fix it in the Gen 2?

Taylorbok · Sep 26, 2024

carbonbased said:
Maybe I was thinking that the Sig couldn’t pass DOF to the Kestrel? Like sig didn’t pay some licensing fee of something. See this chart for a bit older but still relevant info:

Wait! Maybe it was that you couldn’t mess with the Sig app it unless the binos were currently connected? Maybe they fixed that in firmware; if not, did they fix it in the Gen 2?

Ya the sig doesn't push DOF to the Kestrel which is annoying.

I think you may be right about the App originally it wanted to be connected to play with it but I was just doing it the other day not connected so that is fixed.

carbonbased · Sep 26, 2024

Btw @Secant speaking of gotchas, it seems like to make an informed purchasing decision about these complicated things, I had to go full retard and look at all the intricacies of how these rangefinder binos work. More so than, oh, scopes.

Kinda drives me mad

As far as the SIGs, the best resource I found is this guy. Here’s his overview for the Gen 1. It’s extremely comprehensive:

Later on, he added the Gen 2 additional info:

Like I said, that’s the way I’d lean, but really, it’s overkill for me. But that display is just so frickin’ sweet compared to my Furys!

That type of vid is what the manufacturers need to put out. The ones they produce are always so abbreviated.

MuleyTime · Sep 26, 2024

I really like my gen2 sig. maybe not as comfortable as my 3200.com’s were, but everything else is great.

Secant · Sep 26, 2024

carbonbased said:
Btw @Secant speaking of gotchas, it seems like to make an informed purchasing decision one has to really go full retard and look at all the intricacies of how these rangefinder binos work.

As far as the SIGs, the best resource I found is this guy. Here’s his overview for the Gen 1. It’s extremely comprehensive:

Later on, he added the Gen 2 additional info:

Like I said, that’s the way I’d lean, but really, it’s overkill for me. But that display is just so frickin’ sweet compared to my Furys!

That type of vid is what the manufacturers need to put out. The ones they produce are always so abbreviated.

Thanks, I'll take a look at that Gen 2 review.

I watched that guys tripod shooting video and thought it was pretty cringe

Also not a fan of how he implies his super secret wind techniques allow his students to hit golfballs at 1,000 yards. Chance occurrences like that shouldn't be touted as teachable, consistent, achievements. But anyways, now I'm just being cunty

Secant · Sep 26, 2024

MuleyTime said:
I really like my gen2 sig. maybe not as comfortable as my 3200.com’s were, but everything else is great.

What are your thoughts about the Gen 2 optics compared to your .Coms?

carbonbased · Sep 26, 2024

Secant said:
Thanks, I'll take a look at that Gen 2 review.

I watched that guys tripod shooting video and thought it was pretty cringe
Also not a fan of how he implies his super secret wind techniques allow his students to hit golfballs at 1,000 yards. Chance occurrences like that shouldn't be touted as teachable, consistent, achievements. But anyways, now I'm just being cunty

Yeah, that tripod vid…ooofff

Didn’t look at his wind/golf ball vid. Maybe @Overton Windex was in his class lol

“Cunty” always cracks me up

Huckmeat · Sep 27, 2024

Actually, SIG Gen1 does put the DOF in their bluetooth stream. I have used it in DIY phone apps. I don't know why GarminAB and Kestrel AB won't take it, but kestrel will with the Leicas, but it's kinda a hodge podge of versions of AB and kinda getting tired of this garbage. I have paid for 13 copies of AB and we still can't pass DOF into the goddam watch. Are you listening Applied Ballistics? I'm hoping a firmware update fixes it, I noticed the watch is now allowing me to set the angle of the wind instead of 1/2/3 oclock.

I just got the vectronix, I really like them. They are sampling DOF but the watch still doesn't see it. I'm hoping it's a misconfiguration, have not looked at the bluetooth stream to see if DOF is in the range packet.

Taylorbok · Sep 27, 2024

@DocUSMCRetired are you able to help with that? If the SIG is sending out DOF why isn’t kestrel taking it in? Thats a pretty key feature if it’s possible

MuleyTime · Sep 27, 2024

Secant said:
What are your thoughts about the Gen 2 optics compared to your .Coms?

They’re really good. Without having them side-by-side, I have no beef at all with the optics in the gen 2.

If I had one critique it’s getting them adjusted for your eyes. It’s a bit of a sequence. You have to get the display focused and then one eye focused, and then focus the barrel….if that makes sense. It’s not a big deal but it’s not really a binocular that you could just hand to your buddy to let him look through and get his opinion, because he would have to adjust everything again exactly the same way to his eyes. I’m not sure if I’m not overthinking it though.

carbonbased · Sep 27, 2024

MuleyTime said:
You have to get the display focused and then one eye focused, and then focus the barrel

Isn’t that how all LRF binos work? At least that’s how my Vortex Fury 5000 gen ii and Lecia Geovid-R 15x work.

Not sure how else one would adjust the diopter any other way.

MuleyTime said:
it’s not really a binocular that you could just hand to your buddy to let him look through and get his opinion, because he would have to adjust everything again exactly the same way to his eyes.

This is true with any bino, especially if the two people involved have significant differences in their eyes (like diff rx).

Maybe you’re only noticing it now because in the past the people you share binos with have quite similar distance vision, but unsimilar closeup vision (for the LRF readout)?

Btw I’m guessing here that closeup vision is needed to focus on the LRF readout.

MuleyTime · Sep 27, 2024

You are correct…. it’s such a small thing that I shouldn’t have even mentioned it. Lol.

Bottom line I really like the Sig 10k Gen 2.

Modoc · Sep 27, 2024

To show our age, has anyone had trouble using LRF Binoculars with bi/trifocals? Just got bifocals and wondering.

codym · Sep 27, 2024

I’m in the same boat. Had the Leica 10x32 pros. Loved the glass but the read out was on the slow side and my ranges seemed inconsistent sometimes 2-3 yards sometimes 8-10 when ranging small targets. I felt like this was an issue that cost me some points in NRL hunter matches. I was really all in on the vector x but the wait times are forcing me to move on, I have some coues deer hunts in November and I need RF binos, although my primary glass are nl 12x42. I end up coming back to the sig gen2’s or getting another set of pro’s in the 10x42 flavor. I wish swaro would get a good laser and AB on board.

carbonbased · Sep 27, 2024

Huckmeat said:
Actually, SIG Gen1 does put the DOF in their bluetooth stream. I have used it in DIY phone apps. I don't know why GarminAB and Kestrel AB won't take it, but kestrel will with the Leicas, but it's kinda a hodge podge of versions of AB and kinda getting tired of this garbage.

Then I’d wager that Sig doesn’t pay to have AB read their DOF stream (or vice versa?). Just a guess…at this stage of the game I cannot believe it’s simple technical incompetence.

BurtG · Sep 28, 2024

Love my Leica 3200.com 10x and zeiss victory 10x54.

But I’m a glass whore and never take the time to set up the ballistics. I shoot too many different calibers and a
Have Raptars/Mars for that stuff

I hear the new vectronix is similar glass to vortex. I had the kabobs. Would be a hard no from me.

Seems you can get awesome user intuitive solver. Or awesome glass.
But not both

SD3Gunner · Sep 28, 2024

for the money of what they can be had at in real world prices, and being electronic warranty matters... ill go vortex fury all day at this point. its gunna range all things i can hit. Is it the best at anything no, but its a solid jack of all for the price point. With Sig electronic issues with other products and blue hugh I kinda shy from that option.

BurtG · Sep 28, 2024

SD3Gunner · Sep 28, 2024

BurtG said:
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If you are referring to vortex then im sure the replaced it for you in a very timely manner no matter the age of it...

Taylorbok · Sep 28, 2024

BurtG said:
But I’m a glass whore and never take the time to set up the ballistics. I shoot too many different calibers and a
Have Raptars/Mars for that stuff

How does that make any sense? You're to lazy to set up the ballistics on one device so you do it on another?

BurtG · Sep 28, 2024

Taylorbok said:
How does that make any sense? You're to lazy to set up the ballistics on one device so you do it on another?

I dislike electronics. Priorities +time /= lazy. 556 and 65 on a mil reticle pretty much equals a BDC to 600 yards anyway

If they were as easy to set up as Strelok it would be a no brainer

DocUSMCRetired · Sep 28, 2024

1) Sig updated their warranty policy on the newer electronics. Much better than in the past.
2) Vectronix updated their warranty policy with the launch of the Vector X to be much better.
3) @Taylorbok I tested the Vector X, Sig Kilo Gen 2, & Leica Pro Ballistics AB this morning with the latest Garmin Tactix & Kestrel 5700X. All 3 fed DOF and Inclination as well as Range.

j-moose32 · Sep 28, 2024

Anyone have experience with the sig 10k and vortex fury? Wondering how glass and ranging compare

codym · Sep 28, 2024

DocUSMCRetired said:
1) Sig updated their warranty policy on the newer electronics. Much better than in the past.
2) Vectronix updated their warranty policy with the launch of the Vector X to be much better.
3) @Taylorbok I tested the Vector X, Sig Kilo Gen 2, & Leica Pro Ballistics AB this morning with the latest Garmin Tactix & Kestrel 5700X. All 3 fed DOF and Inclination as well as Range.

@DocUSMCRetired- how would you rate the glass on your 3 units? Ranging time? These are my top 3… im hearing wildly different opinions on the vector x glass, some same on par with lieca some comparing to vortex. Same with the sigs. As I mentioned before loved the glass on my geovid pros 10x32 but they were a bit slow, inconsistent ranging and ate batteries. I wish I could evaluate them myself. Very subjective question, but I appreciate your opinion.

Taylorbok · Sep 28, 2024

DocUSMCRetired said:
3) @Taylorbok I tested the Vector X, Sig Kilo Gen 2, & Leica Pro Ballistics AB this morning with the latest Garmin Tactix & Kestrel 5700X. All 3 fed DOF and Inclination as well as Range.

I wonder if that's a new patch.
My Gen 1's don't unless it was recently fixed in an update.
I will try and report back later this afternoon.

DocUSMCRetired · Sep 28, 2024

j-moose32 said:
Anyone have experience with the sig 10k and vortex fury? Wondering how glass and ranging compare

The Sig Kilo 10K Gen 2 got a glass upgrade along with some other cool things. So the Sig K10 G2 has better glass. If you are comparing the older models they have the same laser and same glass in them.

codym said:
@DocUSMCRetired- how would you rate the glass on your 3 units? Ranging time? These are my top 3… im hearing wildly different opinions on the vector x glass, some same on par with lieca some comparing to vortex. Same with the sigs. As I mentioned before loved the glass on my geovid pros 10x32 but they were a bit slow, inconsistent ranging and ate batteries. I wish I could evaluate them myself. Very subjective question, but I appreciate your opinion.

Glass: Sig did a major update to glass, so all 3 of them are going to be within 5% of each other. Leica glass is a little more neutral in color, and slightly brighter to my eyes. The Sig glass and Vector X glass give me zero issues living on a Ranch in Texas... I would say Leica has an ever so slight advantage but this is all opinion.

Ranging: They all have the same beyond 1 mile abilities. Leica is slightly slower range and to re-range targets. We are talking about a 1 second difference. Initial ranging the Sig and Vector X are relatively same considering where we were 5 years ago, they use nearly the same electronics packages and have abilities that within 5% of each other. All 3 of them have no issues out to 1800 yards at my ranch in Texas. My standard target is around 1900 yards for my initial testing on all range finders and all 3 of these have no problem with that. That target is north of my, so it gets direct sun this time of year as the sun is in the south for us.

I know this doesn't answer your question, but the electronics packages in each of them are tuned as close as they can be to identical specs and abilities. If you hunt/shoot at 1800 yards and in, you won't notice a difference really except that the Leicas are about 1 second slower when it comes to follow up ranging. This benefits people using them paired to a device vs people who ping ping ping ping ping targets rapidly and don't let the devices catch up. You need to give them a good 3 count or so before hitting another target so they can process and update things like range cards.

Eating batteries depends on settings. For instance, the Sig has the option "power saving mode on/off" and has XR ranging mode. for Extended ranges. What is the time out set to? How often are you using Bluetooth (Power Hog). Etc... This is entirely user settings and abuse dependent. Can you range with just one button or are you a RWS (Range While Scanning) person. Too many variables for this to be apples to apples.

Taylorbok said:
I wonder if that's a new patch.
My Gen 1's don't unless it was recently fixed in an update.
I will try and report back later this afternoon.

This is with my Engineering Unit Kilo Gen 2 and Garmin Watch and Kestrel 5700X.

Taylorbok · Sep 28, 2024

I just had a chat with my buddy who sold his leicas and picked up a set of SIG G2's and he said he has zero complaints about the glass

DocUSMCRetired · Sep 28, 2024

Taylorbok said:
I wonder if that's a new patch.
My Gen 1's don't unless it was recently fixed in an update.
I will try and report back later this afternoon.

Sig controls the Firmware of the Sig Devices and does all firmware, software, app management, bug fixes, etc. in house. If you are experiencing any issues at all, please make sure to let their Customer Support know. They have a great team and pass these along very diligently.

On that note, it is also important to let the company who's product you are trying to connect to know as well. So if this is a Kestrel please report the same thing to Nielsen-Kellerman as they also handle all of the firmware, software, bug fixes, app updates, etc in house.

Taylorbok · Sep 28, 2024

DocUSMCRetired said:
Sig controls the Firmware of the Sig Devices and does all firmware, software, app management, bug fixes, etc. in house. If you are experiencing any issues at all, please make sure to let their Customer Support know. They have a great team and pass these along very diligently.

On that note, it is also important to let the company who's product you are trying to connect to know as well. So if this is a Kestrel please report the same thing to Nielsen-Kellerman as they also handle all of the firmware, software, bug fixes, app updates, etc in house.

I had actually messaged them both a while ago, I can't remember what they said at the time but they had some reason they didn't/ couldn't but maybe they came up with a solution.

codym · Sep 28, 2024

Thank you @DocUSMCRetired, that absolutely helps!!

Numenur · Sep 28, 2024

I have a pair of Nikon LazerForce they do a very good job.

StrayDog · Sep 29, 2024

I'll vote for the Revic, for NRLH and find/range/engage matches. The laser is tight, accurate, and the solutions are instantaneous and accurate -- out to 1200+ yds yesterday.
I got em because the Furies were slow, sigs were blue, lecias also had lag.
I have some 12x Vectronix ordered for PRS spotting/ranging, but the Revics have been very easy and reliable to use.

Secant · Sep 29, 2024

StrayDog said:
I'll vote for the Revic, for NRLH and find/range/engage matches. The laser is tight, accurate, and the solutions are instantaneous and accurate -- out to 1200+ yds yesterday.
I got em because the Furies were slow, sigs were blue, lecias also had lag.
I have some 12x Vectronix ordered for PRS spotting/ranging, but the Revics have been very easy and reliable to use.

Do you have any “high end” binos to compare the Revic to? Specifically in shitty lighting conditions, glassing into timber, etc.?

j-moose32 · Sep 29, 2024

StrayDog said:
I'll vote for the Revic, for NRLH and find/range/engage matches. The laser is tight, accurate, and the solutions are instantaneous and accurate -- out to 1200+ yds yesterday.
I got em because the Furies were slow, sigs were blue, lecias also had lag.
I have some 12x Vectronix ordered for PRS spotting/ranging, but the Revics have been very easy and reliable to use.

How slow was the vortex with ranging + solution?

StrayDog · Sep 29, 2024

j-moose32 said:
How slow was the vortex with ranging + solution?

3-4 seconds per range. And I try to laze the target a few times... It adds up quick on the clock.

StrayDog · Sep 29, 2024

Secant said:
Do you have any “high end” binos to compare the Revic to? Specifically in shitty lighting conditions, glassing into timber, etc.?

I have a pair of 12x NL pures.
The Revics are not Swaro level, but good enough for 10x match steel hunting on the clock, which is my intended use...

SD3Gunner · Sep 29, 2024

my bet is that Vortex comes out soon with an updated version of the Fury

j-moose32 · Sep 29, 2024

SD3Gunner said:
my bet is that Vortex comes out soon with an updated version of the Fury

I hope so, and that it improves on the 3-4 seconds per range/ solution

Ikeman83 · Sep 29, 2024

EL Range is probably the best binocular on the list, but the laser is only good out to 2200 yds.

The ballistic solver is also only good until the projectile is subsonic, after which it doesn't give values.

Swaro's solver, Hornady, and Strelok are normally within a click at a given distance. My unit's laser gives basically instant returns, and the drop correction is also displayed instantly.

It’s not a gaming or tactical unit, so it doesn't have a subtended reticle, and you're on your own for wind.

I'll see if I can post a video through mine tomorrow.

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