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Night Vision Real Deal Wilcox/KVC/RQE/etc vs Chicom Knock-Offs - Buy American???
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Imagine funding the PLA by buying shit that funds R&D that will be used against Americans and their Allies one day.
Cool they can steal an idea and make a clone. Doubt it is materially the same and has not been tested( which is a large part of the cost in conjunction with low unit volume, it's niche). Trust your 12k BNVDs with it.
It's like using a set of Walmart rings between your AI and Tangent.
Unfortunately, you have a point:
https://www.vermilionchina.com/p/unwitting-americans-support-the-chinese
@ Horta, have you ever considered the Surefire lights @ SOTAC? and if so? were you able to get any "feedback" on the quality etc and if they would last on a "real" firearm? I know over on LF.net that a member tested some Somogear PEQ's & they held up pretty well (for what it is)
Cheers
Somewhat related to the earlier discussion:
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I've been posting on other forums for years, and here at SH since I joined, the hugely negative effects of buying OEM chinese products like Holosun, Olight, Fenix, Swampfox, Norinco and a bunch of other lesser known brands.
It's a distinctly different topic from "made in China" (which I also speak against) and the costs to the western world are so much worse with the former compared to the latter. Many people who agree with my views on this don't speak up because they're worried about their popularity on forums.
I have a Sotac M300 clone. The heads are not compatible with Surefire. The tailcaps are, but their DS00 is inferior in that you cannot rotate the switch around for optimal button position. The screws that hold the basic pic rail on were also bad, the pic mount it came with would loosen very quickly under recoil. replaced them with Surefire screws and GTG.
Like the poster above noted, the heads are not compatible with SureFire bodies. Funny enough the SureFire head works fine on the SOTAC body. Probably just a thread spacing difference. Their tailcaps are ok but pressure switches are a little finicky. I have two switches and both of them have this issue where if you haven't pressed them in awhile, the first couple times you activate them they won't power the light fully.
I have a SOTAC PEQ-15 clone that I'm also very impressed with for the price.
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Anyone try these yet?
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Anyone try these yet?
Works great with a single CR123A as well.
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Not sure if this is really new, but eBay notified me that Sotac now also copies the Cadex mount: https://www.ebay.com/itm/296469753531
did it hold up? really hard to want to spend 500+ on wilcox if those from SOTAC work just as well. unless someone here has a legitimate one to off load for reasonable $.
I have run both and own multiple real ones, the china_kvc is certainly getting sloppy but I am running panos on it which hang a lot of weight off the side which puts pressure on the locking mechanism. I will disassemble, clean, and reassemble to see how much slop I can remove and see what the wear is. Ill grab some pictures when I do.
Not long, but the way I have the pano pod attached it is really stressing the bridge. I chose to run the china_kvc instead of a real kvc because I knew it would be stressed. Considering that the china has done very well. Taking it apart will tell the rest of the story once I can see into wear areas.
One thing it copied perfectly is putting the levers exactly where I can't find them if I flip a side up.
One thing it copied perfectly is putting the levers exactly where I can't find them if I flip a side up.
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My Sotac has held up every bit as well as the legit Wilcox units. In fact, the Sotac locks-up tighter than any of the half dozen Wilcox I own. I’ve only run it for a few months and only with 31A’s or dual Skeets, but so far so good.
Well, the HORTA Golden Shower treatment process perfects everything. Thats a well know fact. 
In all seriousness, I have been running many Chinese NV shrouds and mounts etc for years and have found their tolerances and durability as good if not better than Wilcox and others. And they are much cheaper in price.
The US thermal/ nv/ laser industry (and us .gov laser bans) are serving the market up on a silver platter to the chynese. Through massive over pricing (probably for .gov contracts) and the HK because we hate you and you suck attitude. They refuse to even sell a lot of stuff to dirty civilians and if they do or you buy one through back channels service is expensive awful or nonexistent.
Some of that is due to .gov contracts dictating no civilian sales.
Meanwhile the Government floods the county with 13,000 convicted murders. An entitiy or person is either part of the problem, or part of the solution. I would tend to say that at this point, Uncle Shugga has become the problem.
.gov likes that kind of criminal. Makes the Ned Flanders more willingly give over more Liberty and treasure to “fight crime “ and the “war on terror drugs poverty etc”
They don’t want you having the means to defend yourself. From their pet illegals or from the blue line enforcers
Exactly. And those criminal gang cartels have access to belt feds and all kinds of stuff that the American citizen is not allowed to have.
We are headed into a shit show thanks to our politicians.
It’s intentional. .gov makes a lot more sense when you think of them as what they are. Organized crime / mafia types.
Set up a problem. Then swoop in with the solution / to save us.
No different than protection rackets
Cloward–Piven strategy.
You can vote yourself into communism, but you have to shoot your way out.
You can vote yourself into communism, but you have to shoot your way out.
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This thread will probably never die... Updates here? Anyone use the knock off Wilcocks FTS mount with an RH25 or similar?
Sad that even with 100% tarriffs, these chinese versions would still be about half the price...
Sad that even with 100% tarriffs, these chinese versions would still be about half the price...
Yes. I have several genuine Wilcox FTS mounts and several Chinese knock offs. The Chinese knock offs I have recieved are perfect and just as good as the Wilcox FTS. It is extremely hard to tell the difference. Works perfect with the RH25 and RL25 using the JV Innovations SBR Dovetail Adapter from Strickly Offensive Kit (SOK)
Here is the link to where I have been getting them. Make sure to select the LEFT hand model as it is the correct clone of the Wilcox FTS.
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Hmm, thanks! What's up with that extra riser piece? This still allows for pic rail mounting and puts everything at a 1.5" center?Yes. I have several genuine Wilcox FTS mounts and several Chinese knock offs. The Chinese knock offs I have recieved are perfect and just as good as the Wilcox FTS. It is extremely hard to tell the difference. Works perfect with the RH25 and RL25 using the JV Innovations SBR Dovetail Adapter from Strickly Offensive Kit (SOK)
Here is the link to where I have been getting them. Make sure to select the LEFT hand model as it is the correct clone of the Wilcox FTS.
Tactical G33 Mounts Flip-To-Side Magnifier Flip Mounts Riser for EOTech G23 G33 | eBay
Features: Made of 6061-T6 aluminum alloy, Type III anodic oxide Compatible with: 20mm Picatinny Rail Designed for EOTech G23 G33 3X Magnifiers, affix to the rail permanently. Instant switch between magnified and non-magnified optics when using red dot sights. The magnifier interface shoe snaps...www.ebay.com
That riser is just an extra piece they give you. You will not use that. The Chinese Wilcox FTS on your rail with the RH25 mounted with the SBR rail attached to the RH25 is at about 1.61" centerline height. That is the same as wih a genuine Wilcox FTS.
I think she did for Hunter B***n...Be a really good deal if she came in the box as well.
@WhereNow&How is putting out good info here. Let me know if you guys have any additional questions regarding mounting solution for RH25, StingIR or similar devices.
