Looking for options Long Range 22LR

Icenberg · Sep 27, 2024

Background: I use to do 1000 Meters with my old Tikka T3X Tac A1 6.5 creedmore with 30MOA rings and Vortex Viper HS-T 6-24x50, but unfortunately had to sell it during covid and I plan on doing a custom build with a T3X in the future, instead of buying the same gun again. but for now I want to scratch that accuracy itch and my love for bolt actions, while spending a lot less money on gun and ammo and still having fun.

I have a Ruger 10/22 carbine but I wanted to get more accuracy for doing 50-400 Meters shooting.

I don't plan on NRL22 or PRS right now so that's not an issue

This seems like the best choices given the suggestions and budget.

Build 1 allows me to use my future T3X CTR or Super Varmint stock off a custom build I'm planning, plus upgrade the barrel.

Build 2 would be better starting out since it doesn't require any changes out of the box.

Build 1 Total ($1914 Cad)
Tikka T1x MTR .22LR, 20" ($825 Cad)
Vortex Venom 5-25x56 FFP MRAD ($749 Cad)
AREA 419 30 Moa Rail ($139 Cad)
Scope Rings ($200 Cad)
Bipod already owned

Build 2 ($2238 Cad)
CZ 457 VARMINT MTR .22LR, 20” ($1150 Cad)
Vortex Venom 5-25x56 FFP MRAD ($749 Cad)
AREA 419 30 Moa Rail ($139 Cad)
Scope Rings ($200 Cad)
Bipod already owned

jetjock07 · Sep 27, 2024

I’d look hard at the CZ457 MTR in the Manners stock with the adjustable cheek riser. Only thing is that version only comes with a 16” barrel. You can get the manners without adjustable cheek riser with a 20” barrel.

Emerson0311 · Sep 27, 2024

Go CZ in 22LR, not Tikka. I ran a Tikka for 3 seasons. Athlon Helos or Vortex Venom. Vortex at that price lose 1/2 of their elevation travel with a zero stop installed. Diamondback Tactical has 6 mils/turn elevation. You will forget what turn you are on.

Icenberg · Sep 27, 2024

jetjock07 said:
I’d look hard at the CZ457 MTR in the Manners stock with the adjustable cheek riser. Only thing is that version only comes with a 16” barrel. You can get the manners without adjustable cheek riser with a 20” barrel.

that could be an option not to worried about a compensator but it would look better. definitely want a 20in barrel. and the gun is at the top end of what i would spend its $1699, thanks for the recommendation.

Emerson0311 said:
Go CZ in 22LR, not Tikka. I ran a Tikka for 3 seasons. Athlon Helos or Vortex Venom. Vortex at that price lose 1/2 of their elevation travel with a zero stop installed. Diamondback Tactical has 6 mils/turn elevation. You will forget what turn you are on.

yea looking like prob a CZ so i could just enjoy out the box not need another stock.

yea that's an interesting factor of the scope, i didn't notice how much more elevation the Venom has and zero stop is a must. having an exposed windage turret is not worth losing those features. thanks for pointing that out.

UKMan · Sep 27, 2024

Not on your list, probably the cheapest as well, but I take my Ruger precision rimfire with the same vortex venom out to 400 yards. 10 inch plate is ringing 8/10 times with CCI SV ammo. At 100 yards it is grouping just over 1 moa on average with the same ammo, haven’t tried anything more expensive. I don’t compete but bought it with the intention on having a lot of fun and shooting a lot of .22 at distance.

Also tip aaoptics sells refurbished optics. The venom (when in stock) is $350. Not sure if you have access to that or not in Canada.

Emerson0311 · Sep 27, 2024

UKMan said:
Not on your list, probably the cheapest as well, but I take my Ruger precision rimfire with the same vortex venom out to 400 yards. 10 inch plate is ringing 8/10 times with CCI SV ammo. At 100 yards it is grouping just over 1 moa on average with the same ammo, haven’t tried anything more expensive. I don’t compete but bought it with the intention on having a lot of fun and shooting a lot of .22 at distance.

Also tip aaoptics sells refurbished optics. The venom (when in stock) is $350. Not sure if you have access to that or not in Canada.

I often recommend the Ruger with CCISV for the tight budget folks with multiple family members, especially smaller kids, that want to shoot. It gives up very little to the big dollar rigs out 150 yds in positional shooting.

Cody S · Sep 28, 2024

I highly recommend you get the 5-25 venom, the extra magnification is handy.

MarkCZ · Sep 28, 2024

The T1X does stacks up compared to the T3X series. I got the T1X first, then got a T3X. I have shot in matches out to 400yds, and done well. I had it in a KRG Bravo for a while, but put it back in the factory stock for hunting and factory/ sporter class. There was not improvement in accuracy with the Bravo. T1X only needs a trigger spring, and you are good to go.

I have 2 Bergara B14R with Trigger Tech Diamond trigger and EC V2 tuners. They are my go to match guns. I also have a CZ 455 Varmint. All 3 guns are good guns.

I have Vortex Strike Eagle 5 X 25 on all 4 guns. with 20 moa rails and Burris signature XTR rings. I can zero at 50 yds and can dial to 500 yds.

I have one Arken 5-25 x 56mm on a Kidd Supergrade 22lr. great scopes for the money. They have a new 7-35 x 56mm for $600.00 https://www.arkenopticsusa.com/optics/

Aqua Mark · Sep 28, 2024

I have a cz457 varmint 20" with PST Gen2 5-25, 30mm rings of course. Sold the wood stock and put in chassis. All in, under $2500US. I also have a Ruger American Rimfire, Bushnell 6-24 glass, Seekins rings, all in about $1200US. The Ruger gets the job done even with cheap ammo on steel, and I actually use it more often than the cz since I don't do comps often. I also like that the RAR uses 10/22 magazines. RAR won't give super tiny groups, but is a fun shooter.

tekmann2377 · Sep 28, 2024

I have had great results from a 20" inch T1x, and are no slouch compared to the CZ. I think it would mainly boil down to what barrel profile, stock, and length you are looking for.

Right out of the box my 20" T1X was able to generate ~1 inch 10 shot 100 yd groups with SK Rifle Match, which it preferred over the cheaper Eley offerings.

My friend has a CZ and is quite happy with it as well.

bobby1028 · Sep 28, 2024

Cheapest of the CZ457 models, stock trigger is fully adjustable, best out of box 22 trigger on the market...$500
Lilja match barrel, best of the prefits, comes with shims to fine tune headspace to preferred ammo...$500
KRG Bravo or MDT Oryx or my favorite Grey Birch chassis...$400/500
$1500 all in, plus optic and 30moa base of your choice, after lot testing for preferred ammo it doesn't get much better without spending 2 or 3 times the money.

Icenberg · Sep 28, 2024

Cody S said:
I highly recommend you get the 5-25 venom, the extra magnification is handy.

i was looking into that but i think the quality of the scope in this price range isn't that good at the higher magnification. if i was going 5-25 id want the viper pst g2, but i wont be buying that till i do my 6.5creedmore build. id have to look at them both myself instore see if its good enough since its only 50$ more. thanks for the suggestion.

MarkCZ said:
The T1X does stacks up compared to the T3X series. I got the T1X first, then got a T3X. I have shot in matches out to 400yds, and done well. I had it in a KRG Bravo for a while, but put it back in the factory stock for hunting and factory/ sporter class. There was not improvement in accuracy with the Bravo. T1X only needs a trigger spring, and you are good to go.

I have 2 Bergara B14R with Trigger Tech Diamond trigger and EC V2 tuners. They are my go to match guns. I also have a CZ 455 Varmint. All 3 guns are good guns.

I have Vortex Strike Eagle 5 X 25 on all 4 guns. with 20 moa rails and Burris signature XTR rings. I can zero at 50 yds and can dial to 500 yds.

I have one Arken 5-25 x 56mm on a Kidd Supergrade 22lr. great scopes for the money. They have a new 7-35 x 56mm for $600.00 https://www.arkenopticsusa.com/optics/

yea i do like the fact its good to go right out the box. still considering it. i had the xtr rings on my t3x they work great and not to expensive.

from what i seen online the venom and strike eagle have the exact same glass and its only illuminated and turret locks as their main upgrade. not sure if its worth the extra money $400 since thats not a big deal for me.

i do like the B14R, might be worth the extra money to just buy once cry once and have a good all round gun. thanks for the info.

Aqua Mark said:
I have a cz457 varmint 20" with PST Gen2 5-25, 30mm rings of course. Sold the wood stock and put in chassis. All in, under $2500US. I also have a Ruger American Rimfire, Bushnell 6-24 glass, Seekins rings, all in about $1200US. The Ruger gets the job done even with cheap ammo on steel, and I actually use it more often than the cz since I don't do comps often. I also like that the RAR uses 10/22 magazines. RAR won't give super tiny groups, but is a fun shooter.

Yea i have bunch of 10/22 rotary mags but might be a pain in the Ruger with the extended mag well. thanks for the suggestion.

tekmann2377 said:
I have had great results from a 20" inch T1x, and are no slouch compared to the CZ. I think it would mainly boil down to what barrel profile, stock, and length you are looking for.

Right out of the box my 20" T1X was able to generate ~1 inch 10 shot 100 yd groups with SK Rifle Match, which it preferred over the cheaper Eley offerings.

My friend has a CZ and is quite happy with it as well.

yea i don't plan to go crazy with upgrades since I'm planning a big budget build for 6.5 creedmore, looking to keep it around 1500 for total gun, and ill have extra t3x CTR stock since I'm going to build off that gun and if it fits the t1x that would be sweet for upgrade.
if i do go with a base T1X i can put the money into a better scope instead since that gives me an extra $700 budget. thanks for the info.

bobby1028 said:
Cheapest of the CZ457 models, stock trigger is fully adjustable, best out of box 22 trigger on the market...$500
Lilja match barrel, best of the prefits, comes with shims to fine tune headspace to preferred ammo...$500
KRG Bravo or MDT Oryx or my favorite Grey Birch chassis...$400/500
$1500 all in, plus optic and 30moa base of your choice, after lot testing for preferred ammo it doesn't get much better without spending 2 or 3 times the money.

this could be a contender, i don't mind doing a custom build if i can keep it around 1500 for the gun. and it would be a great shooter. I have some spare parts like rings laying around for 30mm so this is an option. thanks for the suggestion.

Icenberg · Sep 28, 2024

UKMan said:
Not on your list, probably the cheapest as well, but I take my Ruger precision rimfire with the same vortex venom out to 400 yards. 10 inch plate is ringing 8/10 times with CCI SV ammo. At 100 yards it is grouping just over 1 moa on average with the same ammo, haven’t tried anything more expensive. I don’t compete but bought it with the intention on having a lot of fun and shooting a lot of .22 at distance.

Also tip aaoptics sells refurbished optics. The venom (when in stock) is $350. Not sure if you have access to that or not in Canada.

this could be a decent budget option for out of the box but not really liking the look of it. thanks for the suggestion though.

Emerson0311 said:
I often recommend the Ruger with CCISV for the tight budget folks with multiple family members, especially smaller kids, that want to shoot. It gives up very little to the big dollar rigs out 150 yds in positional shooting.

this gun will be mostly used by me and i am leaning more for accuracy so might go the the higher end of the budget. thanks for the info.

Cody S · Sep 28, 2024

I own the 5-25 venom scope, along with many of the other scopes you have mentioned, plus several more that are so expensive I'm ashamed at how much they cost.
trust me dude, if you want the extra magnification ever, and never plan on needing the scope at 3 power for 5 yard off hand shooting, get the 5-25 venom. it's actually a sweet scope for 400usd and I'm glad I bought one just to have around to beat up on while I save up for the new 5-42x56 march
viper glass isn't going to be all that much better than venom glass.
if you want decent vortex glass you'll want the gen 3 razor, or start looking at other top tier manufacturers(zco, tt, march, etc.)
fluorite crystal in the glass costs money.
if you want good deals start calling companies that advertise on SH and ask what deal they can do for someone who's hard up right now but kinda needs a nice scope(we get it, we all been there or are there)
I've also heard good things about some Chinese scopes from cameralandNY, but you'd have to call Doug for specifics. I bought a tangent from him and he did right by me.

Icenberg · Sep 28, 2024

Cody S said:
I own the 5-25 venom scope, along with many of the other scopes you have mentioned, plus several more that are so expensive I'm ashamed at how much they cost.
trust me dude, if you want the extra magnification ever, and never plan on needing the scope at 3 power for 5 yard off hand shooting, get the 5-25 venom. it's actually a sweet scope for 400usd and I'm glad I bought one just to have around to play with while I save up for the new 5-42x56 march
viper glass isn't going to be all that much better than venom glass.
if you want decent vortex glass you'll want the gen 3 razor, or start looking at other top tier manufacturers(zco, tt, march, etc.)
fluorite crystal in the glass costs money.

Yea I used the 5-25 Viper HST and have no complaints about it and for the venom its only 100$ more so could be good option.

from what I seen the Venom and Strike Eagle are made in China, the Viper are made in Philippines and Razors are made in Japan. but in Canada the razor G2 is 4,000 and G3 is 5,000 and that's more then I'm willing to spend on a .22 rifle. but thanks for the suggestion ill look into those other brands.

VFL1911 · Sep 28, 2024

If you’re not competing and simply wanting to just improve accuracy at distance (over your 10/22) I would highly recommend the CZ MTR. This will allow you to scratch your itch of “out of the box” solve for accuracy at distance, while also giving you a solid platform to easy upgrade (barrel, chassis, trigger, etc) should you decide to compete.

Ammo is going to heavily influence accuracy at long distance, regardless of which rifle you choose, so would always budget for lot testing to find what your specific rifle/barrel loves.

Icenberg · Sep 29, 2024

VFL1911 said:
If you’re not competing and simply wanting to just improve accuracy at distance (over your 10/22) I would highly recommend the CZ MTR. This will allow you to scratch your itch of “out of the box” solve for accuracy at distance, while also giving you a solid platform to easy upgrade (barrel, chassis, trigger, etc) should you decide to compete.

Ammo is going to heavily influence accuracy at long distance, regardless of which rifle you choose, so would always budget for lot testing to find what your specific rifle/barrel loves.

Yea from everything I'm seeing this gun fits the budget perfectly and gives me everything I need, without having to upgrade anything for a while. This is definitely my #1 pick right now, I don't mind spending a little more for better ammo. I pretty much only use CCI in my 10/22 right now anyway. still way cheaper Hornady 140 ELDs lol.

VFL1911 · Sep 29, 2024

If you do buy the MTR, make sure to take good care of the stock and barrel. At least in the US, there’s a pretty high demand for both of those that you can easily sell and put towards upgrading barrel/chassis/etc

Emerson0311 · Sep 29, 2024

Icenberg said:
Yea I used the 5-25 Viper HST and have no complaints about it and for the venom its only 100$ more so could be good option.

from what I seen the Venom and Strike Eagle are made in China, the Viper are made in Philippines and Razors are made in Japan. but in Canada the razor G2 is 4,000 and G3 is 5,000 and that's more then I'm willing to spend on a .22 rifle. but thanks for the suggestion ill look into those other brands.

Keep in mind that you can only shoot 1 rifle at a time. With a pic rail on each rifle, it takes a few rounds to zero after you mount a scope. Buy 1 good one and move it between rifles. Spending $2K or so on glass will change your life, compared to $800-ish X 3 generic optics for 3 rifles. Athlon Cronus, Razor Gen 2, Apex, etc. Several Nightforce options, maybe used, in that range. I’ve been really happy with Athlon Ares ETR’s.

Cody S · Sep 29, 2024

Emerson is right. I did both ways, it was much better for me when I finally saved up for an expensive (NF) scope my first time. it only takes a couple years of saving, and they're good forever. the gen3 razors are maybe the best value right now.

hafejd30 · Sep 29, 2024

I have the T1X and B14R. My B14R is in a MPA comp chassis but shot very well in the stock it comes with. Which is adjustable.

The T1X comes in a light/cheap stock. They shoot good in those but I put mine in a KRG bravo.

Both shoot very well. The tikka drops brass in the chamber once in a while. The B14R did it as well but staking the ejector fixed that on that rifle

The B14R is very accurate and maintains a reputation as “poor man’s Vudoo”. My B14R is slightly more accurate than my T1X with SK match and LR match I run through it.

We have some guys in our Fclass team that shoot the CZ MTR in rimfire matches. Nice rifles. The MTR stock lop is too short for me personally. I’d say my B14R is more accurate than the couple samples of the MTR I’ve seen

Out of the box trigger on the T1X was better than my B14R. A spring change makes it even better. I run a trigger tech two stage in my B14R. Those use R700 parts so options on triggers, chassis etc are almost endless.

If I had to pick between the tikka or Bergara I’d take the Bergara. It’s just been more accurate and more reliable. It also has AICS pattern mags so you can build it out like a centerfire platform with the same chassis and what not. Then use it for training and doing mag changes. If you want smaller mags the tikka and cz are what a normal 22 magazine would be. Not the AICS pattern

My T1X and T3X in 308 are built out identical with krg bravos.

I run a Arken EP5 on my Bergara and it works very well for rimfire. It’s not top tier glass by any means but there’s enough discount codes out there from YouTubers and what not that you can generally get really good deals on them. I’d take an Arken before a cheaper vortex based on my failure rates with vortex from the PST Viper line and HS which I used to run

10 shots-100 yards- SK LR - B14R

Emerson0311 · Sep 29, 2024

Cody S said:
Emerson is right. I did both ways, it was much better for me when I finally saved up for an expensive (NF) scope my first time. it only takes a couple years of saving, and they're good forever. the gen3 razors are maybe the best value right now.

I really like my Gen 3 Razor, but that is another whole level of cost.

Icenberg · Sep 29, 2024

Emerson0311 said:
Keep in mind that you can only shoot 1 rifle at a time. With a pic rail on each rifle, it takes a few rounds to zero after you mount a scope. Buy 1 good one and move it between rifles. Spending $2K or so on glass will change your life, compared to $800-ish X 3 generic optics for 3 rifles. Athlon Cronus, Razor Gen 2, Apex, etc. Several Nightforce options, maybe used, in that range. I’ve been really happy with Athlon Ares ETR’s.

Although this seems like a good option, I usually take a few guns so I can let barrels cool down between shoots and go back and forth between them. Different distances so this wouldn't work well for me. having to sight in every 30min would be pain in the ass.

I do understand having better glass makes a difference but at this time its out of the budget for this gun. Id rather have a budget scope on this gun and put the high end scope on future creedmore build since that rifle will be 1000+ meter gun and that's where the quality really counts.

Cody S said:
Emerson is right. I did both ways, it was much better for me when I finally saved up for an expensive (NF) scope my first time. it only takes a couple years of saving, and they're good forever. the gen3 razors are maybe the best value right now.

Yea ill get one in the future but for right now id rather have a budget scope on this gun and get out shooting with it.

hafejd30 said:
I have the T1X and B14R. My B14R is in a MPA comp chassis but shot very well in the stock it comes with. Which is adjustable.

The T1X comes in a light/cheap stock. They shoot good in those but I put mine in a KRG bravo.

Both shoot very well. The tikka drops brass in the chamber once in a while. The B14R did it as well but staking the ejector fixed that on that rifle

The B14R is very accurate and maintains a reputation as “poor man’s Vudoo”. My B14R is slightly more accurate than my T1X with SK match and LR match I run through it.

We have some guys in our Fclass team that shoot the CZ MTR in rimfire matches. Nice rifles. The MTR stock lop is too short for me personally. I’d say my B14R is more accurate than the couple samples of the MTR I’ve seen

Out of the box trigger on the T1X was better than my B14R. A spring change makes it even better. I run a trigger tech two stage in my B14R. Those use R700 parts so options on triggers, chassis etc are almost endless.

If I had to pick between the tikka or Bergara I’d take the Bergara. It’s just been more accurate and more reliable. It also has AICS pattern mags so you can build it out like a centerfire platform with the same chassis and what not. Then use it for training and doing mag changes. If you want smaller mags the tikka and cz are what a normal 22 magazine would be. Not the AICS pattern

My T1X and T3X in 308 are built out identical with krg bravos.

I run a Arken EP5 on my Bergara and it works very well for rimfire. It’s not top tier glass by any means but there’s enough discount codes out there from YouTubers and what not that you can generally get really good deals on them. I’d take an Arken before a cheaper vortex based on my failure rates with vortex from the PST Viper line and HS which I used to run

10 shots-100 yards- SK LR - B14R
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Yea this would be a nice gun but it does put me a little over budget, since the MTR package comes in perfect with tax at $2500 this would be a great starting point for me.

Emerson0311 said:
I really like my Gen 3 Razor, but that is another whole level of cost.

yea maybe in a year or two when I go all out for a creedmore build that would make sense, but right now its not in the budget and don't make sense.

hafejd30 · Sep 29, 2024

Icenberg said:
Although this seems like a good option, I usually take a few guns so I can let barrels cool down between shoots and go back and forth between them. Different distances so this wouldn't work well for me. having to sight in every 30min would be pain in the ass.

I do understand having better glass makes a difference but at this time its out of the budget for this gun. Id rather have a budget scope on this gun and put the high end scope on future creedmore build since that rifle will be 1000+ meter gun and that's where the quality really counts.

Yea ill get one in the future but for right now id rather have a budget scope on this gun and get out shooting with it.

Yea this would be a nice gun but it does put me a little over budget, since the MTR package comes in perfect with tax at $2500 this would be a great starting point for me.

yea maybe in a year or two when I go all out for a creedmore build that would make sense, but right now its not in the budget and don't make sense.

I’m not saying set it up like I have above. A stock B14R was like $900. Add the Arken which is about $500 and you have a killer setup which can be upgraded as you choose to

Icenberg · Sep 29, 2024

yea just have to see how I feel when I find one in stock and can go take a look at it. but it does look like a nice gun. but canadian prices way more and also there's 13% tax here.

Cody S · Sep 29, 2024

have you looked through a vortex venom scope? the glass on my 5-25x56 venom is surprisingly good, very usable.
on the cz457 mtr, I definitely feel that's the best choice for you. I know a dude who has one and his was very accurate but he put a custom barrel on it anyways cause why not.
you'll definitely never feel like you wasted your money on a venom or cz457. those are sweet toys for the price imho.
I bought a cz 457 synthetic and took it all apart just to make into a custom because the actions and L3i magazines are quite nice.

Icenberg · Sep 29, 2024

Cody S said:
have you looked through a vortex venom scope? the glass on my 5-25x56 venom is surprisingly good, very usable.
on the cz457 mtr, I definitely feel that's the best choice for you. I know a dude who has one and his was very accurate but he put a custom barrel on it anyways cause why not.
you'll definitely never feel like you wasted your money on a venom or cz457. those are sweet toys for the price imho.
I bought a cz 457 synthetic and took it all apart just to make into a custom because the actions and L3i magazines are quite nice.

Yea I checked them out at the store before and its not that bad, for this budget it will work perfectly. I can make the final decisions on rings and start buying stuff over the winter. It looks like the gun is going to take a while to get since its so popular, everything else is easy to get.

Cody S · Sep 29, 2024

if you need rings cheap the vortex brand I got from Amazon are decent. at least they haven't negatively impacted the scope and they function. I almost decided to ream them out and kind of make custom scope rings as a project(side quest) but I'm too scared to trust an expensive scope to my work. it looks relatively simple.
eta: do they have Amazon in Canada? I didn't think that through at all.

Icenberg · Sep 29, 2024

Cody S said:
if you need rings cheap the vortex brand I got from Amazon are decent. at least they haven't negatively impacted the scope and they function. I almost decided to ream them out and kind of make custom scope rings as a project(side quest) but I'm too scared to trust an expensive scope to my work. it looks relatively simple.
eta: do they have Amazon in Canada? I didn't think that through at all.

yea for $200 its a good basic burris rings are like $100 for decent set. It just comes down to if I really need the MOA. The rings give me the option to go 0-40MOA, I could see adding another 10-20moa to dial out to 500meters.

Cody S · Sep 29, 2024

ah I understand now. yeah you buy it in either the rings or the rail. I've went to just having 30moa built into every rifle I own. area 419 makes a 30moa rail for my cz457.
with that 30moa, I think I'll have like 17 or 18 mils of travel, plus the entire scope reticle worth of holdover so you should easily get to 500 yards on 30 moa rail, you'll just have to do a little math and hold over.

Icenberg · Sep 30, 2024

Cody S said:
ah I understand now. yeah you buy it in either the rings or the rail. I've went to just having 30moa built into every rifle I own. area 419 makes a 30moa rail for my cz457.
with that 30moa, I think I'll have like 17 or 18 mils of travel, plus the entire scope reticle worth of holdover so you should easily get to 500 yards on 30 moa rail, you'll just have to do a little math and hold over.

yea I was using a MOA calc and just guessing the MOA range which is 85moa total plus the 30moa base should be 70MOA from the scope and that's like 350in at 500 yards and it needs 512in or 100moa with 100yard zero, but that could be hold over on the scope, I'm just using MOA to match the rail for easy math.

Cody S · Sep 30, 2024

yeah you won't be accurate past 300 anyways, especially if you're learning, so I wouldn't worry about having every bit of elevation travel possible. having the 70moa or whatever you get from just having a scope and 30moa rail or rings will be plenty to learn on.
hell that's basically all that I'll have out of my custom and I'm spending fairly big bucks on it.

Icenberg · Sep 30, 2024

Cody S said:
yeah you won't be accurate past 300 anyways, especially if you're learning, so I wouldn't worry about having every bit of elevation travel possible. having the 70moa or whatever you get from just having a scope and 30moa rail or rings will be plenty to learn on.
hell that's basically all that I'll have out of my custom and I'm spending fairly big bucks on it.

yea its prob enough with holdover to try it out. Its not so much about learning more fun really, just wanted something I can shoot few rounds at 50-100meters in the backyard and neighbors not care since its not that loud and then still go out to my shooting spot for the longer ranges and shoot a lot more rounds.

Vivacious Stallion · Sep 30, 2024

Looks like you pretty much made up your mind, but I don't think you'll be disappointed with a 457 MTR. I think I put mine together for about $1500 all together and have been very pleased with it. It shoots SK match the best, but is no slouch with Eley match or LR match. It's my GFs favorite rifle to shoot.

I used some Vortex/Seekins rings on mine which worked great, until recently when I got some 419 rings off a prize table.

Icenberg · Sep 30, 2024

Vivacious Stallion said:
Looks like you pretty much made up your mind, but I don't think you'll be disappointed with a 457 MTR. I think I put mine together for about $1500 all together and have been very pleased with it. It shoots SK match the best, but is no slouch with Eley match or LR match. It's my GFs favorite rifle to shoot.

I used some Vortex/Seekins rings on mine which worked great, until recently when I got some 419 rings off a prize table.

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yea it seems like the best bang for the buck and has easier to get aftermarket stuff then the B14R, it fits perfectly in the budget and gets me what I'm looking for.

502Chevelle · Sep 30, 2024

I have the cz vpt, and I like it, but if I had to do it all over, I would buy the mtr that Area 419 sells. It comes ready to go. Put a timney on it, and buy a couple mags from L3i, and you should be good to go. It's what I wish I had done.

Icenberg · Oct 1, 2024

502Chevelle said:
I have the cz vpt, and I like it, but if I had to do it all over, I would buy the mtr that Area 419 sells. It comes ready to go. Put a timney on it, and buy a couple mags from L3i, and you should be good to go. It's what I wish I had done.

yea maybe if I can find one in Canada. hard to get it shipped over. they charge alot more

Cody S · Oct 1, 2024

I'd recommend against the area419 version, it has a enlarged chamber which could negatively impacted accuracy, along with a threaded muzzle, which could open the bore unless that's a really well stress relieved factory barrel(I doubt it). They always do killer work they just missed the mark imo on this one. I'd just get their bolt knob and rail and order a few l3i magazines which is what I personally did. I also didn't get the mtr version because it's just a better barrel and I'd rather have the highest quality barrel/chamber for a match gun so I got a mullerworks blank and gave it to a guy and I'll get it back eventually.
but I've seen the factory mtr groupings, they're very impressive and should do the trick for 99.9% of shooters.

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