Now the government is threatening to arrest volunteers trying to rescue stranded hurricane victims.

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nso123 said:
This isn’t entirely accurate. One of the largest “population center” type areas impacted is Asheville and those suburbs. They don’t vote red. The rural areas probably don’t carry much vote in comparison.
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Exactly. The conservative, christian, heterosexual population in the area can't outvote the sheer numbers in Ashevegas.
mtrmn said:
Far too lenient.
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Agreed. Should have thrown his ass into the still raging runoff, full of debris and raw sewage. Let him die like the others here did.
 
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Makinchips208 said:
Yeah it is. Fortunately we have a sheriff that has a brain.
Unfortunately that is at risk every few years.
And many are far less fortunate and have sheriffs that would jump at the chance to oppress residents.

Similar situation happened a few years ago here. I heard that some residents actually had rifles out. No doubt they would have used them if push came to shove.
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How long before they have a few Ken McElroy events?
 
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Been biting my tongue for a couple of days. I spent 30 years working my summers on large scale campaign fires though out the western states. The Incident Command System (ICS) works and should be employed on all incidents no matter the scale. I have worked with type 3, type 2, type 1 and NIMO (national incident management organization) teams on local fires to some of the largest wildland complex fires in history.

FWIW, here is my take. The Incident Commander/IC (fire chief) should have welcomed the helicopter and pilot as a much needed and valuable resource. The helicopter pilot's efforts should then be coordinated with the operations section. If the ICS was in its infancy, the IC would coordinate the pilot's activities himself, then brief incoming members of the ICS face to face.

There is a possibility that the local fire chief was simply overwhelmed and not capable of handling the situation because of lack of training, lack of experience, or both. It sounds like he stepped on his wiener. In spite of what some people might believe, the vast majority of people who manage this type of incident really do care about helping people, and about getting stuff done in the most expedient fashion.

On a personal level, I was on a fire adjacent to the South Canyon Fire in 1994 as I watched the fire blow up and travel up the side of Storm King Mountain killing 14 fellow firefighters. I was working a large fire in Southern Colorado on June 20, 2013 when activities stopped at the incident command post to advise us of 19 fatalities at the Yarnell Hill Fire when the Granet Mountain Hotshots were burned over. I left the command post and went to the chow tent for some coffee where I visited for about an hour with one of the firefighters who discovered the bodies on Storm King.

My point is this, I can really relate to those of you who live near the hurricane area. I feel your pain and you have the right to be pissed off. Sure, you might want to take the fire chief behind the shed and beat him until his eyes swell shut. But please remember the vast majority of people who work incidents, at all levels, are doing the best they can in a dynamic environment with the resources they have available.
 
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Mr.BR said:
Most of that gets washed and ends back in Virginia suburb accounts of Rytheon,LM or xyz contractors and fills election coffers of the congress and senate


Lindsay Graham talking about Israel while being questioned about the catastrophe in his own state perfectly sums up how the U.S. government “cares” for its citizens.

Idiots keep reelecting his fagot ass
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People have no clue as to how much contempt these politicians have for us.

They don't give a fuck that you are literally under water, all they care about is their foreign adventurism.
 
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kthomas said:
People have no clue as to how much contempt these politicians have for us.

They don't give a fuck that you are literally under water, all they care about is their foreign adventurism.
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"People like you". Thats what a scumbag, big-tech mogul used to refer to me as.

Yeah, those people hated patriotic Americans long before we even knew about them.
 
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Had no idea the woman was running Raeford NC. DZ ?
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I assume it’s where her skydiving business is
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Am familiar with, but had no idea the woman involved was running Raeford NC. DZ . . then Generosity is an fucking understatement if she using her turboprops, fuel, and time in giving help. Fuck the State Gov..
 
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softcock said:
Had no idea the woman was running Raeford NC. DZ ?

Am familiar with, but had no idea the woman involved was running Raeford NC. DZ . . then Generosity is a fucking understatement if she using her turboprops, fuel, and time in giving help. Fuck the State Gov..
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That lady doesn’t run Paraclete in Raeford, she runs Skydive Mountain City. They are several hours apart, but I’d be willing to bet they are working together in some form.
 
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Ankeny said:
Been biting my tongue for a couple of days. I spent 30 years working my summers on large scale campaign fires though out the western states. The Incident Command System (ICS) works and should be employed on all incidents no matter the scale. I have worked with type 3, type 2, type 1 and NIMO (national incident management organization) teams on local fires to some of the largest wildland complex fires in history.

FWIW, here is my take. The Incident Commander/IC (fire chief) should have welcomed the helicopter and pilot as a much needed and valuable resource. The helicopter pilot's efforts should then be coordinated with the operations section. If the ICS was in its infancy, the IC would coordinate the pilot's activities himself, then brief incoming members of the ICS face to face.

There is a possibility that the local fire chief was simply overwhelmed and not capable of handling the situation because of lack of training, lack of experience, or both. It sounds like he stepped on his wiener. In spite of what some people might believe, the vast majority of people who manage this type of incident really do care about helping people, and about getting stuff done in the most expedient fashion.

On a personal level, I was on a fire adjacent to the South Canyon Fire in 1994 as I watched the fire blow up and travel up the side of Storm King Mountain killing 14 fellow firefighters. I was working a large fire in Southern Colorado on June 20, 2013 when activities stopped at the incident command post to advise us of 19 fatalities at the Yarnell Hill Fire when the Granet Mountain Hotshots were burned over. I left the command post and went to the chow tent for some coffee where I visited for about an hour with one of the firefighters who discovered the bodies on Storm King.

My point is this, I can really relate to those of you who live near the hurricane area. I feel your pain and you have the right to be pissed off. Sure, you might want to take the fire chief behind the shed and beat him until his eyes swell shut. But please remember the vast majority of people who work incidents, at all levels, are doing the best they can in a dynamic environment with the resources they have available.
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Yes, the NIMS/ICS seems to have been discarded for this scenario. All lessons from Katrina lost. ..


- Signed,

former cop and current paramedic
 
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Ankeny said:
Been biting my tongue for a couple of days. I spent 30 years working my summers on large scale campaign fires though out the western states. The Incident Command System (ICS) works and should be employed on all incidents no matter the scale. I have worked with type 3, type 2, type 1 and NIMO (national incident management organization) teams on local fires to some of the largest wildland complex fires in history.

FWIW, here is my take. The Incident Commander/IC (fire chief) should have welcomed the helicopter and pilot as a much needed and valuable resource. The helicopter pilot's efforts should then be coordinated with the operations section. If the ICS was in its infancy, the IC would coordinate the pilot's activities himself, then brief incoming members of the ICS face to face.

There is a possibility that the local fire chief was simply overwhelmed and not capable of handling the situation because of lack of training, lack of experience, or both. It sounds like he stepped on his wiener. In spite of what some people might believe, the vast majority of people who manage this type of incident really do care about helping people, and about getting stuff done in the most expedient fashion.

On a personal level, I was on a fire adjacent to the South Canyon Fire in 1994 as I watched the fire blow up and travel up the side of Storm King Mountain killing 14 fellow firefighters. I was working a large fire in Southern Colorado on June 20, 2013 when activities stopped at the incident command post to advise us of 19 fatalities at the Yarnell Hill Fire when the Granet Mountain Hotshots were burned over. I left the command post and went to the chow tent for some coffee where I visited for about an hour with one of the firefighters who discovered the bodies on Storm King.

My point is this, I can really relate to those of you who live near the hurricane area. I feel your pain and you have the right to be pissed off. Sure, you might want to take the fire chief behind the shed and beat him until his eyes swell shut. But please remember the vast majority of people who work incidents, at all levels, are doing the best they can in a dynamic environment with the resources they have available.
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No excuse, explanation or defense for LE interfering with civilians trying to render aid to fellow Americans. I believe it's LE who coined the phrase Ignorance is No Defense.

Anyone that tries to interfere, stop, handcuff and arrest those trying to rescue and aid hurricane victims, many injured and dying, needs to be beat, disarmed and handcuffed, using their own handcuffs.
 
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TexPatriot said:
No excuse, explanation or defense for LE interfering with civilians trying to render aid to fellow Americans. I believe it's LE who coined the phrase Ignorance is No Defense.

Anyone that tries to interfere, stop, handcuff and arrest those trying to rescue and aid hurricane victims, many injured and dying, needs to be beat, disarmed and handcuffed, using their own handcuffs.
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Sequence of events is wrong…
Disarmed, handcuffed, THEN beaten.
😀
 
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TexPatriot said:
Sometimes, I wonder if the government is really on our side. /sarcasm




Some town govs in NC are telling people to take donations back and take them to FEMA so FEMA can distribute the donations.

If you believe those donations will be 'distributed' to hurricane victims, you believe Kumala only distributed handjobs.

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The "government"? One clown tells one guy he can't fly somewhere...

1) Just because he said there was no TFR does not mean there wasn't one. Where did he look? TFRs can be be issued at a moments notice. It might not have been there when he looked an hour ago, but was there now. And if he is depending on 3rd party sites for notifications, could be delayed.

2) Local authorities (police, sheriff, fire, etc) have no enforcement powers for ANY aviation regulated by FAA, nor any control over ANY airspace. If you LAND somewhere you are not supposed to, they can enforce whatever regulations they might have. But they have no power to restrict anyone flying anywhere. Seems odd this guy was not aware of this. The local authorities may have requested (and received) the TFR, but they are powerless to enforce it. The FAA is responsible for that. The only thing the LEOs can do is report them.
 
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AZLong said:
The "government"? One clown tells one guy he can't fly somewhere...

1) Just because he said there was no TFR does not mean there wasn't one. Where did he look? TFRs can be be issued at a moments notice. It might not have been there when he looked an hour ago, but was there now. And if he is depending on 3rd party sites for notifications, could be delayed.

2) Local authorities (police, sheriff, fire, etc) have no enforcement powers for ANY aviation regulated by FAA, nor any control over ANY airspace. If you LAND somewhere you are not supposed to, they can enforce whatever regulations they might have. But they have no power to restrict anyone flying anywhere. Seems odd this guy was not aware of this. The local authorities may have requested (and received) the TFR, but they are powerless to enforce it. The FAA is responsible for that. The only thing the LEOs can do is report them.
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2 things to consider.
1. The pilot was former LEO. Rule follower.
2. The police don't care about the rules. They would arrest him and pour through the laws looking for anything to charge him with. As they say..... The street is not the place to argue your case. Wait till you get to court. The former LEO knows that. His helo would be taken, his son would be left in the mountain and he would be in a cell waiting to argue his case in a court.
That's how they fuck with you and there's nothing you can do about it. And the badge boys have qualified immunity. So all they have to say is that they didn't know or they believed and they are covered.
 
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DarnYankeeUSMC said:
2 things to consider.
1. The pilot was former LEO. Rule follower.
2. The police don't care about the rules. They would arrest him and pour through the laws looking for anything to charge him with. As they say..... The street is not the place to argue your case. Wait till you get to court. The former LEO knows that. His helo would be taken, his son would be left in the mountain and he would be in a cell waiting to argue his case in a court.
That's how they fuck with you and there's nothing you can do about it. And the badge boys have qualified immunity. So all they have to say is that they didn't know or they believed and they are covered.
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They don’t have to win in court. The system is the punishment.
 
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EddieNFL said:
They don’t have to win in court. The system is the punishment.
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lash said:
Exactly. Look at how it’s being used to punish those who buck the current political system.
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That's why I put number 1. He was previously a cop so he knew exactly what they were going to do and get away with it.
 
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MJF said:
I would hope people soon realize that you don't HAVE to let the police arrest you. Where are the local Militias? Around here those cops that try to arrest people saving lives would be tied to a tree in short order.
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In order to maintain a well-regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

And the fire chief should be prosecuted for reckless endangerment and sued by everyone. I was reading in another thread that David Axlerod stated that Trump supporters in NC will have a hard time voting without a lot of government assistance to recover but "liberal" voters will find a way. And he has a point. A bunch of liberal voters voted democrat without even voting or even listing themselves as democrat. Most times, without even their signature.
 
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Assistant Fire Chief -
Town Manager -

Everybody can make mistakes.

1. Some admit their mistakes and make apologies.

2. Some don't admit their mistakes and make explanations.

Which option did they choose?
 
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DarnYankeeUSMC said:
I'd say that voting is way down the list of things to do.
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Agreed. Likely one of the reasons the powers that he don’t care. After the way these people been treated it would be kind of high on my list. Then again, with the way these people have been treated, I’m not sure I’d be very civil.

Necessary 3vil said:
That’s exactly what’ll happen.
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Likely.
 
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