When mine came in, I did notice that they come with actual brand name batteries (Toshiba) instead of the ones most companies supply that is written in some chinarican chicken scratch lines.
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Rifle Scopes DNT 7-35x56 FFP Riflescopes
- Thread starter gr8fuldoug
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Got mine. It’s actually pretty dang nice. Quick Look glass looks like my Cronus Gen II. Turrets are nice and clicky but they are very easy to turn. Not really a bad thing but the decent seems kinda weak.
Overall it seems it will do great on a rimfire for sure.
Gonna run it on the Match .22 to out the turrets to the test.
Overall it seems it will do great on a rimfire for sure.
Gonna run it on the Match .22 to out the turrets to the test.
Haven’t had a chance to shoot it yet…Going to the range this afternoon. Will report back.So....what do you think of it..
That's because @wooferocau is actually an Arken/DNT rep out of Denver, CO
...joking!I'm actually thinking of ordering one thanks to this thread.
I saw two in the px for $520 a piece.That's because @wooferocau is actually an Arken/DNT rep out of Denver, CO
I'm actually thinking of ordering one thanks to this thread.
Ok so have compared it to a NF 7-35 on my Vudoo. I replaced the NF to have fun with the DNT. Honestly I don’t see much difference lol.That's because @wooferocau is actually an Arken/DNT rep out of Denver, CO
I'm actually thinking of ordering one thanks to this thread.
After sighting the DNT in and setting the zero stop.
I do think the screws they utilize to set the turrets are ver very cheap along with tool they provide. The tool or the screws can be stripped very easily. I will be emailing DNT to see if I can get some additional screws. Then I’ll utilize my Borka bits instead of an Allen key for the future. Everything is working fine and scope is tracking great. Ran it out to 300 and back to 50 several times and it held zero.
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So a NF for around $600 then…sure, sounds legit. Anyone looking for a timeshare? Same crowd.
1. He didn’t compare them side by side. He replaced the NF w/ the DNT.
2. It’s clear and sunny in North TX where he states he is in his profile.
3. He seemingly spent a couple hours maybe at the range using it.
4. Most importantly, you keep acting like these are alpha glass.
Your credibility is now ruined forever on here. I hope you’re happy with that.
Mate.....why don't you just do us a favour and F*ck off!!!1. He didn’t compare them side by side. He replaced the NF w/ the DNT.
2. It’s clear and sunny in North TX where he states he is in his profile.
3. He seemingly spent a couple hours maybe at the range using it.
4. Most importantly, you keep acting like these are alpha glass.
Your credibility is now ruined forever on here. I hope you’re happy with that.
Is the NF a better scope absolutely. Thays not that hard to know that BUT at the price point and me shooting in only good weather. I’m a mediocre match shooter lmao. I don’t do this for a living. I don’t hint people with my toy gamer guns.
This scope is actually nice especially for the price point.
The build quality seems to be good just can see an issue arising with the screws they utilize for the turret caps and the zero stop. We will see.
There are probably 10 NF 7-35’s, a couple of Gen III 6-36’s, tangets, a premier in the room next to me.
Several people got to take a turn with it and they were all impressed FOR THE MONEY.
again I’m shooting in good weather. And it’s going on a .22.
Does anybody think nf is alpha glass? Every thing I have read about nf says their strengths are tracking and reliability and thatt the glass is just ok.1. He didn’t compare them side by side. He replaced the NF w/ the DNT.
2. It’s clear and sunny in North TX where he states he is in his profile.
3. He seemingly spent a couple hours maybe at the range using it.
4. Most importantly, you keep acting like these are alpha glass.
Your credibility is now ruined forever on here. I hope you’re happy with that.
Yep...Every thing I have read about nf says their strengths are tracking and reliability and thatt the glass is just ok.
I would agree with this statement.Does anybody think nf is alpha glass? Every thing I have read about nf says their strengths are tracking and reliability and thatt the glass is just ok.
I’ve never been absolutely just blown away from NF glass. The 7-35 has been the best I have seen though compared to the others I have looked through. Before the 7-35 NF always looked blue to me.
Not sure about “alpha” but seems most agree the 7-35 is top of their line. Anyway, I’d be shocked if it doesn’t outperform DNT or Arken in adverse conditions. That’s the point.Does anybody think nf is alpha glass? Every thing I have read about nf says their strengths are tracking and reliability and thatt the glass is just ok.
Not mounted up yet. Mount should be here Tuesday. Just handling though and looking out into my woods I do think it's some nice glass for the price. Not going to compare it to alpha glass so not to hurt anybody's feelings. LOL
No doubt. I have a DNT coming. Looking forward to checking it out
My ATACR F1 5-25x56 MIL-XT is a great scope mechanically (and I love the MIL-XT reticle), but it's definitely NOT worth MSRP optically. I paid about $2K for it brand new with my discount, and I feel that's about a fair price for it...Anything more than $2,500 for one brand new is just ripping folks off, IMO...Does anybody think nf is alpha glass? Every thing I have read about nf says their strengths are tracking and reliability and thatt the glass is just ok.
Apparently my Solus Comp 6.5 Creed is looking to be a shooter... The only things I've swapped so far is put in a TriggerTech Special with the screw removed (1 lbs.), and retorqued the action screws to 65 in-lbs. First 25 rounds, only a simple barrel scrubbing and dry-patching before going to the range. 3 shots to sight it in, so 3 of the groups are 4-shot groups, then the last 2 are 5 shot groups... I'm using brand new virgin Alpha SRP 6.5CM brass, Nosler 140 RDF's, StaBall 6.5, and CCI 400 primers. Seated them to 2.270", which is 0.010" jump, and still fit and feed perfectly from an MDT steel AICS mag with no front binder plate. Didn't know it was shipping, so I was caught with my pants down on ordering a matching Ergo grip like on all my other rifles, and the proper height rings, but they should arrive this week from Midway.
The DNT scope is alright... It tracks true, and I can see the reticle just fine, the reticle layout is very nice with the .1 MIL marks, the parallax is almost dead-on with the known distances, and I have no problems shooting tight groups. It was quite overcast, so it really put the glass to the test to show how it stacks up in the shadows compared to out in the bright light where every halfway decent optic can look clear. In the shadows when the sun went behind the clouds while shooting, above 25x definitely got a bit grainy, but nothing that wasn't able to be mostly adjusted-out with some slight parallax tweaking...But at 30x it wasn't as clear as my Burris XTR-3 5.5-30x56 at 30x. The DNT is assembled in China with Japanese EXD glass, and the Burris is built in the Philippines with Japanese ED glass.
Personal opinion based just simple on initial thoughts with only 25 rounds through it... In bright light, very clear, very bright, organic colors (no tinting). There is tiny bit of dark blueish/purple CA around the edges when you get your head off-center of the eye box, but that's not the end of the world. Eyebox is a bit tight at 35x, but most scopes will be. I'd certainly buy one over another Arken, I can tell you that much, just that the glass is much better than any of the ones I have/had prior, including a Gen1 EP5. Also I REALLY like the TOR reticle. It's .1 MIL marks, so it makes corrections and helping spot for others to give corrections for them super simple and easy.
It's definitely worth the $600 I paid for it, but honestly, the glass in my Burris XTR-3 5.5-30x56 is noticeably better for just a few hundred more. Haven't compared it to anything else yet, as those were the only 2 guns I carried to the range with me today. That said, if my budget for a LR scope was $600-750, I'd probably recommend the DNT.
That all being said, it very well could have just been extreme mirage from the cans, being that my rings are super low, and I'm waiting on my taller rings to arrive. That could help with the grainy image at max mag noticeably, because I did have that problem with several higher-end scopes until I put taller rings on them and got them above the barrels and suppressors directly in the LOS. My taller rings should arrive this week, so hopefully we can test this theory next weekend, and after more rounds my thoughts might change. Only time will tell, just giving my initial rundown.
Here's the first 5 groups (first 25 shots on a brand new barrel, random ass load choice, and getting some REALLY good velocities and ES/SD numbers for a new barrel that hasn't even fully settled in yet. But it started to settle in nicely in the 4th and 5th groups (other than the random flier in each one). Those fliers were me pulling because there was lots of people at the range today talking and bumping the goddamn bench while I'm trying to shoot.
Also, not sure WTF happened at 44.0 grains with that double-grouping, but that was weird.
The DNT scope is alright... It tracks true, and I can see the reticle just fine, the reticle layout is very nice with the .1 MIL marks, the parallax is almost dead-on with the known distances, and I have no problems shooting tight groups. It was quite overcast, so it really put the glass to the test to show how it stacks up in the shadows compared to out in the bright light where every halfway decent optic can look clear. In the shadows when the sun went behind the clouds while shooting, above 25x definitely got a bit grainy, but nothing that wasn't able to be mostly adjusted-out with some slight parallax tweaking...But at 30x it wasn't as clear as my Burris XTR-3 5.5-30x56 at 30x. The DNT is assembled in China with Japanese EXD glass, and the Burris is built in the Philippines with Japanese ED glass.
Personal opinion based just simple on initial thoughts with only 25 rounds through it... In bright light, very clear, very bright, organic colors (no tinting). There is tiny bit of dark blueish/purple CA around the edges when you get your head off-center of the eye box, but that's not the end of the world. Eyebox is a bit tight at 35x, but most scopes will be. I'd certainly buy one over another Arken, I can tell you that much, just that the glass is much better than any of the ones I have/had prior, including a Gen1 EP5. Also I REALLY like the TOR reticle. It's .1 MIL marks, so it makes corrections and helping spot for others to give corrections for them super simple and easy.
It's definitely worth the $600 I paid for it, but honestly, the glass in my Burris XTR-3 5.5-30x56 is noticeably better for just a few hundred more. Haven't compared it to anything else yet, as those were the only 2 guns I carried to the range with me today. That said, if my budget for a LR scope was $600-750, I'd probably recommend the DNT.
That all being said, it very well could have just been extreme mirage from the cans, being that my rings are super low, and I'm waiting on my taller rings to arrive. That could help with the grainy image at max mag noticeably, because I did have that problem with several higher-end scopes until I put taller rings on them and got them above the barrels and suppressors directly in the LOS. My taller rings should arrive this week, so hopefully we can test this theory next weekend, and after more rounds my thoughts might change. Only time will tell, just giving my initial rundown.
Here's the first 5 groups (first 25 shots on a brand new barrel, random ass load choice, and getting some REALLY good velocities and ES/SD numbers for a new barrel that hasn't even fully settled in yet. But it started to settle in nicely in the 4th and 5th groups (other than the random flier in each one). Those fliers were me pulling because there was lots of people at the range today talking and bumping the goddamn bench while I'm trying to shoot.
Also, not sure WTF happened at 44.0 grains with that double-grouping, but that was weird.
It does… At least, mine does. I’m really starting to think Europe/Australia gets better glass than we do.
Then again, pretty much every country hates us, despite us going more in debt daily just to kiss their assess by stealing our tax money and misappropriating all of it to them instead of our own citizens, so that wouldn’t be a surprise.
You said yours was around the edges when not in the eye box but what about when properly behind the scope? The Match Pro has a little when properly behind the scope but nothing that would be an issue.
Oh, gotcha, I thought you meant the scope had CA in general, not necessarily in the image… Yeah, mine is around the edges when you get outside the eyebox. And yeah, that would be an issue. In bright light, the glass is great (but most everything looks clear In bright sunlight), but if you’re glassing into a dark/shady area, it can get pretty grainy above 25x. I’ll do some more observation this upcoming weekend when I get back to the range.
Curious to hear your opinions.
The whole reason i started the "Other" thread on the Arken 7-35 was due to failures with some of my S&B,s..6-36,s and 10-60,s.
The Arken and now DNT was something to try at the other end of the price spectrum..
I have just received some of my S&B,s back from repair in Germany ..a couple of 6-36,s. so it was good to compare again and not rely on memory.
The DNT vs S&B 6-36... It interesting ...
The S&B hands down resolves far more detail !! The resolution advantage the S&B has is very apparent. But...the DNT does a VERY creditable job . "Contrast" is the interesting, surprise....the DNT actually outdoes the S&B !!!! Colours are natural and nicely saturated ...the S&B "almost" has a slight haze to it in comparison..
Our S&B,s are not FOV restricted like the US variants....the FOV of the 6-36 is HUGE!!! There is so much difference in FOV vs the DNT that on the same power the illusion is the S&B is at a much higher power!
Speaking of power....the S&B 6-36 is the only scope i have used where at max power 36x there is VERY little degradation to the image....i never expected the DNT to be comparable here. IMO the DNT ,s max power usable is around 28x. At 28x or below it performs very well.
As a reference my ATACR 7-35 really really falls off at 30x and up .
Price wise..... The DNT is $1200 the S&B 6-36 is circa $9000 .....is the S&B worth the extra over the DNT ......... thats up to the individual to decide.
Again..... when you factor in the price tag and performance of the DNT i think its a fantastic optic.
I have just fitted one of the DNT ,s to another of my HTI,s in an IVEY mount ....... 375 Cheytac ( A couple of 200yd groups in pics ) going to run this config a while as i really like the MPR/TOR reticle . ( which was apparently designed by an Aussie here )
This DNT scope has been 100% trouble free after quite a few hundred rounds of 50 Bmg......... Its the S&B,s turn on the 50 again to see if they survive this time.
The Arken and now DNT was something to try at the other end of the price spectrum..
I have just received some of my S&B,s back from repair in Germany ..a couple of 6-36,s. so it was good to compare again and not rely on memory.
The DNT vs S&B 6-36... It interesting ...
The S&B hands down resolves far more detail !! The resolution advantage the S&B has is very apparent. But...the DNT does a VERY creditable job . "Contrast" is the interesting, surprise....the DNT actually outdoes the S&B !!!! Colours are natural and nicely saturated ...the S&B "almost" has a slight haze to it in comparison..
Our S&B,s are not FOV restricted like the US variants....the FOV of the 6-36 is HUGE!!! There is so much difference in FOV vs the DNT that on the same power the illusion is the S&B is at a much higher power!
Speaking of power....the S&B 6-36 is the only scope i have used where at max power 36x there is VERY little degradation to the image....i never expected the DNT to be comparable here. IMO the DNT ,s max power usable is around 28x. At 28x or below it performs very well.
As a reference my ATACR 7-35 really really falls off at 30x and up .
Price wise..... The DNT is $1200 the S&B 6-36 is circa $9000 .....is the S&B worth the extra over the DNT ......... thats up to the individual to decide.
Again..... when you factor in the price tag and performance of the DNT i think its a fantastic optic.
I have just fitted one of the DNT ,s to another of my HTI,s in an IVEY mount ....... 375 Cheytac ( A couple of 200yd groups in pics ) going to run this config a while as i really like the MPR/TOR reticle . ( which was apparently designed by an Aussie here )
This DNT scope has been 100% trouble free after quite a few hundred rounds of 50 Bmg......... Its the S&B,s turn on the 50 again to see if they survive this time.
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I did a road trip I Australia and drove through the area Wooferocau lives in.Wikipedia actually has an entry on snow in Australia:
Snow in Australia - Wikipedia
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Saw these weird building and cables going everywhere, turned out to be a ski resort. Then stumbled across a bunch of snow and made a snow man on the side of the road.
Not at all what I expected in Australia in November (only a few weeks away from summer).
LOVE my Disco,s..
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Probably should’ve just lead with this 400 posts ago and left the rest out.
Probably don't need to worry about rust over there. My Disco 1 is in a very sorry state.LOVE my Disco,s..
I got my DNT mounted up on my new 6 ARC upper. Hopefully will get out tomorrow to get it zeroed and try it out some. Will bring my Vudoo with the Match Pro ED also to do a side by side.
Put almost a brick through the Vudoo and still has done well. Shooting on 35 power at 300 was able to spot hits on a. White steel plate. Mirage is pretty bad right now so that makes it difficult at times.
Got out today and got it zeroed and did a comparison with the Match Pro ED. I got to say the glass on the DNT is very good for the price range. It was noticeably cleared than the Match Pro. There was no CA in the DNT looking at white targets from 200-550 yards. Looking at the 550 yard IPSC steel with impacts and marks on it I was able to see the the marks clearer than I expected and more clear than the Match Pro. The reticle was nice also. All in all with the $599 price it's a steal for glass and reticle.
The con I feel are how the knobs feel when adjusting back to zero. Feel a little cheap but not bad as they are cheap. LOL The screws are a little shallow so watch it when adjusting not to strip. I got it zeroed and ran it up and had 19 mils after zero on a 20 moa mount. I ran it back down to zero and it hadn't changed so that was good. First time with the 6 ARC so only put 20 rounds through it so it's getting cleaned now. Looking forward to next trip out with the DNT.
The con I feel are how the knobs feel when adjusting back to zero. Feel a little cheap but not bad as they are cheap. LOL The screws are a little shallow so watch it when adjusting not to strip. I got it zeroed and ran it up and had 19 mils after zero on a 20 moa mount. I ran it back down to zero and it hadn't changed so that was good. First time with the 6 ARC so only put 20 rounds through it so it's getting cleaned now. Looking forward to next trip out with the DNT.
What was your opinion above 25x? Did you notice the degradation I was talking about with mine?
Maybe I got the unlucky one again…But I’ll have to check this weekend. Could have just been the weather conditions being very overcast and cloudy, and super dark in the target berms.
In the bright light with no clouds when I first got there, it was very bright and clear glass. But as soon as the clouds rolled in and everything got shady, the IQ went straight to shit above 20-25x looking at the same targets. It was very odd.
Wait till you get a bright day again..... in this condition the DNT holds its own against many high end scopes ... i know you say ALL look good in bright daylight... but dark or overcast conditions don't favour the DNT.
Even some of the "Higher End" optics i have don't fair as well as others in Dim light.
The standout in DIM light is Tangent.. but that's a whole different price realm here in Aus!!
