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What is it that you donĀ“t like?
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What is it that you donĀ“t like?
I realize this is subjective, but for the folks that have one, how is the Primary Arms Compact PLX Nova SFP reticle for shooting groups at 100 yards? Do you feel that the center of the reticle is thin enough? I had issues initially with my Vortex Gen 3 1-10 center dot being too big for me to shoot accurate groups. I finally figured out that if I dialed below my zero then used the top edge of the vertical stadia line that I was able to improve my groups and accuracy. Even when I dialed down, the magnification to 8 or 7 the center dot was too large for me. I prefer a thinner/smaller reticle in the center. The Vortex is very nice, but I wouldnāt mind the lighter PA in SFP for another build, if the reticle could work. Thanks in advanced for your input. Hopefully this made sense.
Throwing in another competitor, of which you almost canĀ“t get any infos, except from the manufacturer.
March brought out a new 1-10 shorty with a 34mm main tube.
Short, lightweight, what are your thoughts about it?
marchscopes.com
March brought out a new 1-10 shorty with a 34mm main tube.
Short, lightweight, what are your thoughts about it?
D10SV24FDIMLN34 (Dual, MIL, Normal, Illumi) | MARCH Scopes | DEON Optical Design CorporationMARCH Scopes | DEON Optical Design Corporation
MARCH Scopes Official Site
marchscopes.com
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Throwing in another competitor, of which you almost canĀ“t get any infos, except from the manufacturer.
March brought out a new 1-10 shorty with a 34mm main tube.
Short, lightweight, what are your thoughts about it?
D10SV24FDIMLN34 (Dual, MIL, Normal, Illumi) | MARCH Scopes | DEON Optical Design CorporationMARCH Scopes | DEON Optical Design Corporation
MARCH Scopes Official Site
Anything about the new 1-10 Shorty?
OP here. Still haven't pulled the trigger on a scope. Was out of state for the last 2 months, so it didn't make sense.
Right now I'm really looking at the Primary Arms PLC 1-8x with the Nova reticle. Avoids the chevron, which I'm not a fan of, and the daylight bright dot is a big plus, particularly on 1x. I can live with the SFP since I think most shooting will really be either 1x or 8x.
Looks like the Eotech 1-10x gets a lot of love here, but have some real concerns about how they work on 1x. Seems like that giant ass ring is almost unusable. The fact that it's an Eotech and goes to 10x is a plus though.
The other scope I've seriously been considering is the Trijicon, 1-8x or 1-10x Credo, which isn't really mentioned in this thread. I have a Credo with more magnification and have been very happy with it. Not sure why the Credo doesn't seem to get any love.
So unless someone can make a compelling case for the Eotech, I think I'm really down to the Trijicon or the PA.
Right now I'm really looking at the Primary Arms PLC 1-8x with the Nova reticle. Avoids the chevron, which I'm not a fan of, and the daylight bright dot is a big plus, particularly on 1x. I can live with the SFP since I think most shooting will really be either 1x or 8x.
Looks like the Eotech 1-10x gets a lot of love here, but have some real concerns about how they work on 1x. Seems like that giant ass ring is almost unusable. The fact that it's an Eotech and goes to 10x is a plus though.
The other scope I've seriously been considering is the Trijicon, 1-8x or 1-10x Credo, which isn't really mentioned in this thread. I have a Credo with more magnification and have been very happy with it. Not sure why the Credo doesn't seem to get any love.
So unless someone can make a compelling case for the Eotech, I think I'm really down to the Trijicon or the PA.
Here is a compelling case for the Eotech:
Optics - EoTech Vudu 1-10 LE-5 FFP with mount
I have this barely used Vudu 1-10 LE-5 FFP 34mm tube with a brand new mount; In my opinion this is the Best LPVO out there Comes with Box , Papers , stickers and lens covers pr anything that comes from the Factory, asking $1,150 shipped for scope and mount
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That's a pretty good deal at $1100 or whatever price you are able to negotiate down to.
I'd personally buy it, but I wanted the other reticle so that's why it's still there and not on it's way to me.
It would be cheaper than the PA one you are looking at.
It comes down to your preference in reticle.
The PA with the Nova reticle is supposed to be pretty nice.
I have had both the vudoo 1-10 and the PA 1-6 for the past 4 months. After playing with both and going to a couple carbine uspsa style matches I would definitely go with the PA 1-6. The PA has a red dot bright optic in it, the vudoo just turns the reticle a dull red color on a bright sunny day, which I found harder to find than just a black reticle. Way easier to pick up the PA , and not as much ālens effectā fisheye when bringing the scope up on target (I.E. faster on target).
This was kind of disappointing to me as the vudoo cost 3-4x as much as the $290 I paid for the PA. The PA is also lighter by a few ounces. Probably going to put the vudoo on a large frame AR instead.
To throw a curveball in the mix, I also got a Trijicon credo 6-24 LED battery driven scope a couple months ago as well. It is for damn sure daylight bright, brighter on higher settings than some red dots I have. I donāt have any experience with a LED LVPO trijicon, but if they are anywhere close brightness wise to what the 6-24 is then it would be great as well
This was kind of disappointing to me as the vudoo cost 3-4x as much as the $290 I paid for the PA. The PA is also lighter by a few ounces. Probably going to put the vudoo on a large frame AR instead.
To throw a curveball in the mix, I also got a Trijicon credo 6-24 LED battery driven scope a couple months ago as well. It is for damn sure daylight bright, brighter on higher settings than some red dots I have. I donāt have any experience with a LED LVPO trijicon, but if they are anywhere close brightness wise to what the 6-24 is then it would be great as well
No one is clearing rooms with an LPVO but if they were then it would most likely be an NX8 with its lightweight small footprint nuclear brightness, etc.
The Razor 1-10 is the 1-10 to go with if you are wanting a bright daylight visible reticle on 1X. The Credo and Vudu 1-10 are very fast on 1X as well and the giant donut of death on Vudu is a feature!! Not a con.
The Razor 1-10 is the 1-10 to go with if you are wanting a bright daylight visible reticle on 1X. The Credo and Vudu 1-10 are very fast on 1X as well and the giant donut of death on Vudu is a feature!! Not a con.
I have, have had or have a decent amount of trigger time with every LPVO that has been mentioned, except the March and the Credo 1-10x.
Over the course of my hunt for the perfect LPVO, I've made some observations. Many will say that you don't need daylight bright illumination with some reticles and this may be true for the environments that they shoot in. Personally, I've found that with those types of reticles, you don't always need illumination, but there will be times when you either need and it or really want it and not having it really sucks.
If you're looking for an optic to shoot groups with, you'd be better off going with a small 2-10x if size and weight are a concern. An LPVO is a general purpose optic and as such, is nothing more than a bag of compromises.
Since the NX8 and PLXc came up a bunch, i can tell you about my experince with both. To me, the Nightforce NX8 is the king of small, light and tough. Yes, the 1x is a little wonky, but it is a true 1x and the center 60-70% of the image is very clear. Once you get passed 2x, the glass becomes killer.
When comparing my NX8 to my PLXc, I can say that the first time you look through the PLXc, you're literally gonna say WOW. The image is big and flat, with the diopter set correctly. It is hands down, right there with the Gen II Razor in terms of 1X.
On the opposite end, as you dial up, the PLXc stays nice and clear till about 6x, at which point you're gonna be messing with the diopter to get a good clear image of the reticle and what you're looking at.
The reticle on the PLXc is a love it or hate deal.
As for build, comparing the PLXc to the NX8 side by side, for being about the same weight, they are built very differently. The PLXc is very apparently bulkier, mostly due to the big honkin occular housing (relatively speaking). The NX8 is easier to get along with, just nit picking. When resetting the dials on the turrets, the NX8 has one robust screw and the turret itself feels solid. On the PA is the usual small screws and the turrets feel cheap by comparison. When screwing the caps back on the turrets on the NX8, with the tight threads, you drop the cap on and spin it. On the PA, you have to watch not to cross thread it. Just overall, the NX8 comes across as a better built scope. I don't want to use the word delicate referring to the PLXc, but ill say that the NX8 does not come across as delicate and inspires confidence.
Optically, the PLXc meets or exceeds the NX8, up to about 6x. At 8x, you'll need to be messing with the diopter. Physically, I think the NX8 is the way to go. You lose a bit on the 1x, but gain nuclear bright illumination.
Heck, I have a PLXc with Griffin mil reticle up for sale right now. It's two months old. I'm asking $1050 for it shipped. Reach out if you're interested.
Personally, if you decide that you can live with a second focal plane scope, the trijicon credo in 1-6x are nice for the price. Standard credo has a good reticle for shooting distance, but weak illumination. The credo HX has bright illumination, but the reticle is a bdc. And of course, you could just grab a used Razor and be done with it, with money left over for a mount.
Over the course of my hunt for the perfect LPVO, I've made some observations. Many will say that you don't need daylight bright illumination with some reticles and this may be true for the environments that they shoot in. Personally, I've found that with those types of reticles, you don't always need illumination, but there will be times when you either need and it or really want it and not having it really sucks.
If you're looking for an optic to shoot groups with, you'd be better off going with a small 2-10x if size and weight are a concern. An LPVO is a general purpose optic and as such, is nothing more than a bag of compromises.
Since the NX8 and PLXc came up a bunch, i can tell you about my experince with both. To me, the Nightforce NX8 is the king of small, light and tough. Yes, the 1x is a little wonky, but it is a true 1x and the center 60-70% of the image is very clear. Once you get passed 2x, the glass becomes killer.
When comparing my NX8 to my PLXc, I can say that the first time you look through the PLXc, you're literally gonna say WOW. The image is big and flat, with the diopter set correctly. It is hands down, right there with the Gen II Razor in terms of 1X.
On the opposite end, as you dial up, the PLXc stays nice and clear till about 6x, at which point you're gonna be messing with the diopter to get a good clear image of the reticle and what you're looking at.
The reticle on the PLXc is a love it or hate deal.
As for build, comparing the PLXc to the NX8 side by side, for being about the same weight, they are built very differently. The PLXc is very apparently bulkier, mostly due to the big honkin occular housing (relatively speaking). The NX8 is easier to get along with, just nit picking. When resetting the dials on the turrets, the NX8 has one robust screw and the turret itself feels solid. On the PA is the usual small screws and the turrets feel cheap by comparison. When screwing the caps back on the turrets on the NX8, with the tight threads, you drop the cap on and spin it. On the PA, you have to watch not to cross thread it. Just overall, the NX8 comes across as a better built scope. I don't want to use the word delicate referring to the PLXc, but ill say that the NX8 does not come across as delicate and inspires confidence.
Optically, the PLXc meets or exceeds the NX8, up to about 6x. At 8x, you'll need to be messing with the diopter. Physically, I think the NX8 is the way to go. You lose a bit on the 1x, but gain nuclear bright illumination.
Heck, I have a PLXc with Griffin mil reticle up for sale right now. It's two months old. I'm asking $1050 for it shipped. Reach out if you're interested.
Personally, if you decide that you can live with a second focal plane scope, the trijicon credo in 1-6x are nice for the price. Standard credo has a good reticle for shooting distance, but weak illumination. The credo HX has bright illumination, but the reticle is a bdc. And of course, you could just grab a used Razor and be done with it, with money left over for a mount.
IĀ“ve read a lot good things about the PLXc and was about to pull the trigger on one, if I didnĀ“t realize in the process that I would be better off with a MPVO (mostly for hunting).
Saying so, IĀ“ve never handled one, all of my researches were online.
Saying so, IĀ“ve never handled one, all of my researches were online.
IMHO, from 0-400 yds the
Primary Arms Compact PLxC 1-8X24 SFP Rifle Scope - Illuminated ACSS Nova Fiber Wire Reticle is my top pick.
I also like to run it in a Reptilia 1.700ā mount with an Aimpoint ACRO at 12:00 on their ring mount as a backup in different situations. It also adds some protection for the front of the scope tube.
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Please just stop. LOTS of people are clearing rooms with LPVOs.
Conventional Army: Tango 6T
USMC: VCOG
Army SF: ATACR
And then there are other elements too. Sure, many people have the option of multiple rifles/uppers to choose from for a specific mission. But many do not, and even those that do sometimes choose a weapon with an LPVO because a particular mission/job isnāt narrowly focused enough.
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This is whatās keeping me from the PLXc with the Nova.
I wouldnāt mind limiting my use of a PLXc to 1-6 with only occasional 8x use. But being SFP for the Nova reticle, Iād be forced to use it at 8x for any holds. And the 8x sounds pretty meh on it.
Keep in mind that i was referring to the first focal plane PLXc. The Nova reticle is a second focal plane scope. Different animal. It doesn't suffer the drawbacks of the first focal plane models. Optically, the PLXc Nova is right up there with other top second focal plane models. Reticle scaling and focus issues are common among first focal plane LPVOs.
I got one when they first came out for $1500. and mine does not darken when used over 6X and while the eye box is tight at 8x, it is still plenty usable and noticeably better than the 8x on an NX8. I have had no issues with mine at all and have no regrets on selling my K16i for it. I really think *overall* from 0-400 yds itās currently hard to beat.
Oh, yeah. As said, different animal. A first focal plane reticle is one of those "features" that cost you.
To be completely honestly, i think that 80-90% of those that get into a first focal plane LPVO would be much better served if they weren't chasing the latest and greatest or just trying to be prepared for whatever apocalyptic fantasy it is that they have. Don't get me wrong, I'm in the group too. I run an NX8 on my "can only take one" rifle because it covers all generalist points.
To me, thus far, for shooting out to say 400 yards, depending on what kind of wind it is that you have to deal with, the absolute most comfortable LPVO to shoot with is a Vortex Razor 1-6x. It's beefy. Well built. You pick that scope up and you know you're holding a good piece of equipment. The glass is still what all other LPVOs in its class are compared to. Running a close second is the PST Gen II.
Now, with the PLXc Nova being out, it becomes a question of weight and durability. I think, and this is just my opinion, the Vortex products are more robust.
Im selling my PLXc only because I don't need two ffp LPVOs and I prefer the NX8 for MY purposes. The thought of owning a PLXc Nova hasnt crossed my mind seriously because I have both the Razor and PST.
To be completely honestly, i think that 80-90% of those that get into a first focal plane LPVO would be much better served if they weren't chasing the latest and greatest or just trying to be prepared for whatever apocalyptic fantasy it is that they have. Don't get me wrong, I'm in the group too. I run an NX8 on my "can only take one" rifle because it covers all generalist points.
To me, thus far, for shooting out to say 400 yards, depending on what kind of wind it is that you have to deal with, the absolute most comfortable LPVO to shoot with is a Vortex Razor 1-6x. It's beefy. Well built. You pick that scope up and you know you're holding a good piece of equipment. The glass is still what all other LPVOs in its class are compared to. Running a close second is the PST Gen II.
Now, with the PLXc Nova being out, it becomes a question of weight and durability. I think, and this is just my opinion, the Vortex products are more robust.
Im selling my PLXc only because I don't need two ffp LPVOs and I prefer the NX8 for MY purposes. The thought of owning a PLXc Nova hasnt crossed my mind seriously because I have both the Razor and PST.
Personally, I don't see much of a difference between 6x and 8x. Gaining an extra 2x doesn't really do anything for me.
Also, all LPVOs will dim somewhere between 4x and 6x. It isn't very noticeable in daylight, but it is there.
I've convinced myself that the kahles k16i with 3gr reticle is the perfect LPVO... Even though I've never actually played with one.
Light, best in class 1x performance, great FOV, reported to have a forgiving eyebox, usable without illumination, drop and drift info at 6x without being intrusive at other magnification levels.
It's next on my list. I think the PLX-C nova looks to be a great option, but I'll let other test it for a bit.
Also, all LPVOs will dim somewhere between 4x and 6x. It isn't very noticeable in daylight, but it is there.
I've convinced myself that the kahles k16i with 3gr reticle is the perfect LPVO... Even though I've never actually played with one.
Light, best in class 1x performance, great FOV, reported to have a forgiving eyebox, usable without illumination, drop and drift info at 6x without being intrusive at other magnification levels.
It's next on my list. I think the PLX-C nova looks to be a great option, but I'll let other test it for a bit.
When I heard that Primary Arms was coming out with their new
1-8 PLXc with the Nova Fibre dot in SFP, after much deliberation I decided to sell my beloved Kahles K16i G4B reticle scope. I will just say I have absolutely no regrets about doing it. IMHO, the build quality of my new PA scope is very good , from the positive turret clicks and smooth magnification ring operation, it really just feels solidly built. The glass quality is very good and pretty close to my Kahles K16i . The eyebox on 1x is pretty good and again close to my Kahles K16iās. The eyebox on 8x is tight as expected but is definitely plenty usable and noticeably better than on the NX8. I got this scope knowing probably 90 % of its use would be from 0-300 yds and 10% from 3-400yds. IMHO, from 400 yds and out a FFP reticle is then really a better option overall, as would might also be using a MPVO scope if most of your shooting is past 400 yds. IMHO, for anyone or for someone like me with less than 20/20 corrected vision the 8x magnification definitely helps seeing and hitting smaller targets at longer distances vs 6X scopes. I am very satisfied with this scope and I have to say, good job Primary Arms.
1-8 PLXc with the Nova Fibre dot in SFP, after much deliberation I decided to sell my beloved Kahles K16i G4B reticle scope. I will just say I have absolutely no regrets about doing it. IMHO, the build quality of my new PA scope is very good , from the positive turret clicks and smooth magnification ring operation, it really just feels solidly built. The glass quality is very good and pretty close to my Kahles K16i . The eyebox on 1x is pretty good and again close to my Kahles K16iās. The eyebox on 8x is tight as expected but is definitely plenty usable and noticeably better than on the NX8. I got this scope knowing probably 90 % of its use would be from 0-300 yds and 10% from 3-400yds. IMHO, from 400 yds and out a FFP reticle is then really a better option overall, as would might also be using a MPVO scope if most of your shooting is past 400 yds. IMHO, for anyone or for someone like me with less than 20/20 corrected vision the 8x magnification definitely helps seeing and hitting smaller targets at longer distances vs 6X scopes. I am very satisfied with this scope and I have to say, good job Primary Arms.
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Look through a Trijicon Credo 1-10x28 before you buy. EuroOptic and Expert Voice have excellent prices.
Do you have one that you can post some pictures of at 1x and at 10x and with and without illumination?
I have one and I have used it. Am sorry but I do not have time I take pictures because of work. There are reviews on line and comments from other Snipres hide members about the Trijicon Credo 1-10x28. It is daylight bright and usable from 1-10 with my eyes. Everyone sees different.
I will purchase another on when I have a rifle to use it on.
I will purchase another on when I have a rifle to use it on.
Like to thank everyone for their comments and suggestions which were helpful. After a lot of deliberation I ended up getting the Primary Arms 1-8x with the Nova SFP reticle. Thought long and hard about either the Eotech or the Trijicon, both of which also sound like great scopes. At the end of the day the performance of the PA, particularly at 1x is what sold me. Didn't like the chevron on the FFP PA, and having a daylight bright reticle is just a big plus for close in shooting. Wasn't crazy about the huge circle of the Eotech. The Trijicon was a very close second, but I concluded I really didn't need FFP or 10x and liked having a daylight bright dot.
Was actually at the range today shooting my Sig 516 with a PA 4x reflex scope and was able to get very consistent hits on a gopher silhouette steel target that's 12" high and 2-3" across and 6" round steel targets at 200 yards, so I feel pretty comfortable that 8x will definitely get me out to 400 or even 500 yards if I'm shooting IPSIC size steel. And with its light weight and daylight bright dot the scope will also work for rapid fire offhand shooting at 100 yards and in.
Plus PA is running its 12% off sale right now, so the price was right.
Was actually at the range today shooting my Sig 516 with a PA 4x reflex scope and was able to get very consistent hits on a gopher silhouette steel target that's 12" high and 2-3" across and 6" round steel targets at 200 yards, so I feel pretty comfortable that 8x will definitely get me out to 400 or even 500 yards if I'm shooting IPSIC size steel. And with its light weight and daylight bright dot the scope will also work for rapid fire offhand shooting at 100 yards and in.
Plus PA is running its 12% off sale right now, so the price was right.
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