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Create a channel Learn moreMy Tikka with its Thunder Beast cb brake.Yeah fully aware of how they work and that illustrates MY perspective perfectly ; Threading onto the barrel ,regardless of thread as adapters are available .
What I was confused about was how they would work attached to a Brake or Compensator ??. Gases would simply blow out compensator ,rather than drive through the can's baffle system . Having read the 1 St. posting **,I assumed I was missing a new device .
** ( Would like one I can move to different rifles and probably one that mounts to a muzzle brake or flash suppressor as I'd like to be able to use the rifles without the can ) ?
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Yes, the muzzle device is threaded to attach to the barrel, and threaded to attach to the suppressor. You buy the muzzle device that interfaces with your suppressor mount. The muzzle brakes that you posted are not designed to work with a suppressor.Yet not all Brakes are threaded aside from the barrel thread ,so obviously muzzle brake or flash suppressor would need Dbl thread correct ?
Yet not all Brakes are threaded aside from the barrel thread ,so obviously muzzle brake or flash suppressor would need Dbl thread correct ?
Thank You ,as I was wondering how in the hell I would attach one with my current brake on the .338LM simple answer ,NOT gonna happen .Yes, the muzzle device is threaded to attach to the barrel, and threaded to attach to the suppressor. You buy the muzzle device that interfaces with your suppressor mount. The muzzle brakes that you posted are not designed to work with a suppressor.
Yes the Ventum Supports a HUB structure. I am moving my ARs to Cobalt precision brake that supports the Silencer Co ASR hub mount.Thanks ; Looks like an external thread no doubt for the HUB thread ?.
I have another point of curiosity concerning Cans ,relating to design for Gases out the barrel ,rather than out the brake relief ports .
One system is designed for gas to push through Can aka Suppressor ,as opposed to venting sideways inside the suppressor .
Hope that makes sense ?. Any difference to db or gas system on your rifle ,for those of you who use an internal dispersing mount as opposed to direct barrel threading ?.
I wanted the same thing and I went with the Area419 system and really like it.Yeah fully aware of how they work and that illustrates MY perspective perfectly ; Threading onto the barrel ,regardless of thread as adapters are available .
What I was confused about was how they would work attached to a Brake or Compensator ??. Gases would simply blow out compensator ,rather than drive through the can's baffle system . Having read the 1 St. posting **,I assumed I was missing a new device .
** ( Would like one I can move to different rifles and probably one that mounts to a muzzle brake or flash suppressor as I'd like to be able to use the rifles without the can ) ?
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I own ten or more suppressors. We rent suppressors with some of our guns at the range.So just like the post says, looking to purchase a can. Looks like there's a bunch of manufacturers making these things these days. Would like one I can move to different rifles and probably one that mounts to a muzzle brake or flash suppressor as I'd like to be able to use the rifles without the can. I noticed that the Griffin mounts are pretty economical and would like some type of muzzle device that I can economical outfit 6 or 7 rifles with. Will be using the can with 5.56, 6mm arc, 6.5 Grendel, 6.5 creedmoor, and 308. Not too much rapid fire going on but will be going on semi autos for pig and coyote hunting along with plinking. What do you guys suggest I go with? Figure you guys are the pros and this post will save me hours of research. LOL
If you don't need the Ventum's HUB compatibility, and don't mind HUXWRX's muzzle device options, the Flow Ti 762 works well on both of those calibers.Thank You ,as I was wondering how in the hell I would attach one with my current brake on the .338LM simple answer ,NOT gonna happen .
Huxwrk 762 Ventum appears to be a flow through ,as well as adaptable for both .762 & .223 and also disassembly for cleaning .
A logical choice for MY 7.62 & .223 platforms .
To say nothing of what happens if one has an account with Silencer Shop or Capital Armory, approval times are less than glacial, and then its almost too easy to buy the next one...I remember when I bought 1 silencer and only 1 silencer. That was 7 silencers ago. Up to 8 now. lol.
I’m quoting this so we can all come back to it when you have 10 suppressors.I'm still researching suppressors ,however have narrowed it down to #3 choices and will end up with #2 , .30 cal suppressors .
Definitely flow through and 7-9" seem reasonably quieter ,want compatible brakes . I'm lucky in one respect ,as I didn't piss away a bunch of coin on muzzle devices ,just a couple of Std. inexpensive units . Don't care about AR 15 suppression ,shit otherwise I'd be like the poor soul who owns #10 or more Finishing LAST AR- or rather LAR-10 and hopefully this one is the Best of the Best ,as parts pieces weren't bargains even on sales . I did get a sweet spiral SS fluted barrel to MY specs Nitrided . Now asking the shop IF they can at least attempt to do the chamber in BAM . Waiting for reply
I’m quoting this so we can all come back to it when you have 10 suppressors.
I'm still researching suppressors ,however have narrowed it down to #3 choices and will end up with #2 , .30 cal suppressors .
Definitely flow through and 7-9" seem reasonably quieter ,want compatible brakes . I'm lucky in one respect ,as I didn't piss away a bunch of coin on muzzle devices ,just a couple of Std. inexpensive units . Don't care about AR 15 suppression ,shit otherwise I'd be like the poor soul who owns #10 or more Finishing LAST AR- or rather LAR-10 and hopefully this one is the Best of the Best ,as parts pieces weren't bargains even on sales . I did get a sweet spiral SS fluted barrel to MY specs Nitrided . Now asking the shop IF they can at least attempt to do the chamber in BAM . Waiting for reply
I started out with 3 to “Cover all my bases”… Now I’m up to 13…I’m quoting this so we can all come back to it when you have 10 suppressors.
Don’t forget 2x TBAC 22 Takedown rimfire cans…One for rifles, one for pistols.I am now figuring 4, 2 x TBAC Magnus 30 cals for my Bolt guns and 2 x Velos LBP 7.65 for my ARs.
None of my rimfires has a threaded barrel and really not feeling the need.Don’t forget 2x TBAC 22 Takedown rimfire cans…One for rifles, one for pistols.
Yeah, I shoot my rimfires more as well, but the ones I shoot aren’t threaded (54:18 BR and AI Anschutz 1727) and the only one I am thinking of getting ( AI Anschutz 54:18 with 1.1”straight) won’t be threaded. I guess I do have 2 Kidd supergrades with threaded barrels but my kids seem to prefer center fires.I first thought I wouldn’t want a rimfire can but I use it more than the rest.
They’re worth threading… One you go subsonic suppressed .22LR you never go back. Just saying.Yeah, I shoot my rimfires more as well, but the ones I shoot aren’t threaded (54:18 BR and AI Anschutz 1727) and the only one I am thinking of getting ( AI Anschutz 54:18 with 1.1”straight) won’t be threaded. I guess I do have 2 Kidd supergrades with threaded barrels but my kids seem to prefer center fires.
If you ever do get yours threaded, @LRI does great work. He threaded a muzzle for me. Mine wasn't an Anschutz but he knows them well.Yeah, I shoot my rimfires more as well, but the ones I shoot aren’t threaded (54:18 BR and AI Anschutz 1727) and the only one I am thinking of getting ( AI Anschutz 54:18 with 1.1”straight) won’t be threaded. I guess I do have 2 Kidd supergrades with threaded barrels but my kids seem to prefer center fires.
A different threadMy experience with regards to rimfire 22's:
First, it's important to understand that the little 22 is one of the more difficult cartridges to shoot well. It's a horribly inefficient little thing that travels roughly 1/3rd the speed of anything modern or "cool". What this ultimately means from my perspective is that the bullet loiters around in the barrel 3x longer than what is typical of the centerfire world. That equates to a shooter that must be on his/her game. Shooting fundamentals come into play a whole lot more with these things. It's what makes them so effective as training guns because if you pay attention to detail with a rimfire, the transition to high-power is a whole lot easier in most instances.
When I worked for Anschutz and built stuff for the resident athletes at the OTC in Colorado Springs, keeping things simple was always a priority for me. I never really messed with tuners on international 3P, biathlon, or Silhouette rifles. (Not all of these are Olympic sports, but it's the 3 principal disciplines we catered to there so I had a lot of exposure to them back then) Some of the bench guns we did used a tuner, but they were always looked upon as more of a novelty.
A lesson I learned early on shooting competitively: If you spend any amount of time in the high-power game, be it Service Rifle, Palma, High Power Match rifle, or whatever... If you want to witness a competitive shooter come apart at the seams, watch what happens when an "on-call" shot splashes somewhere well wide of where the shooter decided it should have hit. For anyone experienced, the most typical response is they instantly start grabbing and yanking on things to try and figure out what has come loose on the gun. Sights, brakes, cans, guard screws, bases, whatever it might be. That's where experienced competitive shooters start looking when problems develop from thin air.
So, take that lesson and apply it here. A suppressor likes to come loose. When I used to shoot PRS stuff, I dealt with it all the time. Part of the ritual became snugging up a can right before a stage. I see no benefit from not developing this practice as a standard routine for anyone running a can on a rimfire as well. It certainly won't hurt anything. As far as ultimate accuracy goes, I don't see them harming anything. Off the cuff, it's been my experience that shooters do a better job on suppressed guns just because they are easier to shoot. Less noise ='s less annoyance so people can devote more attention to shooting instead of being bothered by stuff.
If we're going to try and science this, then I offer this for consideration: On every piece of high-speed footage I've ever watched of a rifle being fired, the projectile always outpaces the gas plume. If that is indeed fact, then I would say it's unlikely for a can to somehow disrupt what the bullet is doing once it leaves the muzzle. As for the "H" word (harmonics) I have no idea. I have heard that fluting is supposed to ruin that. According to a lot of the general population that is a ten commandment violation.
(Thall shall not flute barrels)
We flute a metric pile of barrels here at LRI and they seem to shoot just fine. This includes rimfires. Cut, buttoned, broached, and hammer forgings. It doesn't seem to matter. Last, take this with a grain of salt as its an attempt at humor more than anything:
There are 5 things an American man does better than anyone else. Just ask us.
If we fail at any one of these things it is far easier to blame it on something out of our control vs facing the fact that we might just suck at it. The last one is the exclusion of course.
- Drive cars
- Catch Fish
- Drink beer
- Shoot guns
- Fuck women
Assuming this is true I offer the following:
Talk on forums less and focus on well-executed practice more.
Good luck.
C.
LRI
Like I said I just don’t see the point, I have to wear hearing protection anyway, Range rules. With ARs and other center fires booming I don’t even notice my 22LR. Maybe if I had a dedicated range of my own, but that’s not reality. My ARs get exercised out in forests and gravel pits, my son wants one for his 6.5 creed match gun, my daughter doesn’t care much but might Later want one on her 6 creed and what’s a TacOps without a suppressor?They’re worth threading… One you go subsonic suppressed .22LR you never go back. Just saying.
Like others have said, I consistently shoot my .22LR’s more than I do anything else. Most of my other stuff is load development, and then a few shots here and there at the range, just to keep it seasoned. But my .22’s get shot almost every range session.
If you shoot little animals, then a suppressor on that 22LR shooting CCI subsonic segmented ammo at 1050fps is effing golden!Like I said I just don’t see the point, I have to wear hearing protection anyway, Range rules.
Very true, all my shooting is at inanimate targets. I have absolutely nothing against hunting, just not my thing. Last time I went hunting was back while I was in college and went Rabbit hunting over thanksgiving with my cousin's family (failed horribly, blaming being stuck with a cricket 22 as a 6’2” 18yr old). If I was hunting squirrels no question!If you shoot little animals, then a suppressor on that 22LR shooting CCI subsonic segmented ammo at 1050fps is effing golden!
The next target rarely knows it’s next!
Flowthroughs are great on ar15's that aren't optimized/setup for suppressed use. Flow throughs are not great on bolt guns.
You are making a pretty big trade-off by going flowthrough, IMO.
If the vast majority of your shooting is with semi's/ar15's, then perhaps its a better choice. Just know that a flowthrough is going to be less than optimal on a bolt gun.
If you are shooting primarily bolt guns, then you may want to consider a more conventional suppressor, and getting AGBs or optimized gas systems like BRT EZ-Tunes for your ar15's.
You can also go halfway and get suppressors that are low backpressure, or have vented endcaps.
If those are the 3 things you'll be shooting mostly, in bolt-actions, the Thunderbeast Magnus or Magnus-S, or Otter Creek Labs Hydrogen-L or Hydrogen-S gets my vote...Depending on whether or not you want a 9" can for maximum effectiveness, or a 7" can that it much easier to maneuver while hunting or walking through the woods.I've never even considered using a Bolt gun suppressed ,90% of mine aren't threaded . I'm looking at #3 specific Cal. .308 , 6.5CM and just maybe a 7mm RM . So just considering suppressing those . Shit AR 15's I've got unfired 30 year old Colt's and BushMasters ,along with same and various cobbled units which I do fire.
I've several rifles and high end shotguns I'm seriously considering selling . As I'm down sizing 60 years accumulation . My beloved 7mm RM's will be the LAST thing I part with ,as I've had at least one since 1964 ,so we're old friends .
And I don't own an AR 7mm Rem Mag ,as yet