Lithium-Ion Battery Plant fire - Missouri

stevieb92 · Oct 31, 2024

Now imagine you are driving a type of car that your floorboard is one big battery. Now imagine your government hates you (should be pretty easy) and they remotely lock your doors and overheat your batteries causing a fire. Hold on my pager is going o

https://www.emissourian.com/local_n...cle_44dae4ca-979e-11ef-94ca-972810a5a487.html

Bullfrog08 · Oct 31, 2024

I can't remember which country, but the car battery fires have become so hard to put out, they just pick the car up and dunk it in a tank.

Sniperwannabee · Oct 31, 2024

It ok its good for the environment

Sean the Nailer · Oct 31, 2024

“The state-of-the-art fire prevention system is designed to detect fires before they start,” the company’s site says.

Lemme guess.... the "fire prevention system" was designed and built by Dominion.... right?

sloporsche · Oct 31, 2024

oil wells/refineries /crude oil tankers /gas stations /automobiles /pipe lines /fuel trucks/sherman tanks /pintos have a perfect safety record thank god . lol

Blue Sky Country · Oct 31, 2024

I can EASILY see governments doing that very exact thing to silence critics and popular bloggers that expose their dirt or are too influential online in ways they don't like. The tech is already here, almost ALL EVs in production are required to have Internet connection to operate and download periodic software updates, and where there is a will, you can expect the state to take the easiest and most cost efficient route. An e-bike battery pack going off in an enclosed room has proven to be an instant death sentence for any occupants within a matter of seconds. An EV battery and the space above it will reach arc welding temperatures in a millisecond upon a catastrophic failure.

KYAggie · Oct 31, 2024

This was a battery recycling facility.

From the article:
The fire erupted in spite of what the company’s website calls “likely the most sophisticated automated and remote supervised and controlled fire suppression systems in the world.”
“The state-of-the-art fire prevention system is designed to detect fires before they start,” the company’s site says. “The system covers all areas where battery materials are stored or processed. It is monitored remotely 24/7 employing high-intensity industrial forward looking infrared…camera technology.”

Lithium fires are very difficult to extinguish once they start as they generate their own oxygen and can’t be simply smothered. The best thing is prevention as the batteries heat up before the burn and if you can cool them enough before they start it can prevent a fire. Once they get going, good luck!

Im2bent · Oct 31, 2024

KYAggie said:
This was a battery recycling facility.

From the article:
The fire erupted in spite of what the company’s website calls “likely the most sophisticated automated and remote supervised and controlled fire suppression systems in the world.”
“The state-of-the-art fire prevention system is designed to detect fires before they start,” the company’s site says. “The system covers all areas where battery materials are stored or processed. It is monitored remotely 24/7 employing high-intensity industrial forward looking infrared…camera technology.”

Lithium fires are very difficult to extinguish once they start as they generate their own oxygen and can’t be simply smothered. The best thing is prevention as the batteries heat up before the burn and if you can cool them enough before they start it can prevent a fire. Once they get going, good luck!

They might want to get a refund on that " state of the art " system

EddieNFL · Oct 31, 2024

^^^^Could someone post a copy of the hurt feelings report?

brianf · Oct 31, 2024

Bullfrog08 said:
I can't remember which country, but the car battery fires have become so hard to put out, they just pick the car up and dunk it in a tank.

That’s was in Beverly Hills

Tack425 · Oct 31, 2024

brianf said:
That’s was in Beverly Hills

Or bury it in sand.
The thermal runaway and off gassing that happens just proliferates the fire far past what we can control with the usual firefighting techniques and equipment.

sloporsche · Oct 31, 2024

KYAggie said:
This was a battery recycling facility.

From the article:
The fire erupted in spite of what the company’s website calls “likely the most sophisticated automated and remote supervised and controlled fire suppression systems in the world.”
“The state-of-the-art fire prevention system is designed to detect fires before they start,” the company’s site says. “The system covers all areas where battery materials are stored or processed. It is monitored remotely 24/7 employing high-intensity industrial forward looking infrared…camera technology.”

Lithium fires are very difficult to extinguish once they start as they generate their own oxygen and can’t be simply smothered. The best thing is prevention as the batteries heat up before the burn and if you can cool them enough before they start it can prevent a fire. Once they get going, good luck!

RADIO CONTROL hobby knew that 25 years ago about keeping them cool

DocRDS · Oct 31, 2024

brianf said:
That’s was in Beverly Hills

I was going to say the USA....

There is no fire like a chemical fire and I have the scars to prove it.

GBMaryland · Oct 31, 2024

stevieb92 said:
Now imagine you are driving a type of car that your floorboard is one big battery. Now imagine your government hates you (should be pretty easy) and they remotely lock your doors and overheat your batteries causing a fire. Hold on my pager is going o

https://www.emissourian.com/local_n...cle_44dae4ca-979e-11ef-94ca-972810a5a487.html

That would blow the physical interconnects (fuses) in between the individual batteries in the pack. Fire is only a real possibility in any current production car so long as it’s physically damaged usually by being hit…

sirhrmechanic · Oct 31, 2024

sloporsche said:
oil wells/refineries /crude oil tankers /gas stations /automobiles /pipe lines /fuel trucks/sherman tanks /pintos have a perfect safety record thank god . lol

You know that 80 percent of SH is too young to get tht reference. And by too young… I mean in their ‘50’s!!!

Sirhr

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot · Oct 31, 2024

We shot a bad lipo RC truck battery with a .22 recently. It did not burst into flames but made lots of smoke.
wanted to see what it smelled like but thought better of it.

Tack425 · Oct 31, 2024

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot said:
We shot a bad lipo RC truck battery with a .22 recently. It did not burst into flames but made lots of smoke.
wanted to see what it smelled like but thought better of it.

Good thing because when the Li batteries off gas they emit high percentages of hydrogen, and compounds of hydrogen, including hydrogen fluoride, hydrogen chloride and hydrogen cyanide, as well as carbon monoxide, sulphur dioxide and methane.

EddieNFL · Oct 31, 2024

But we can’t use napalm.

375fan · Oct 31, 2024

KYAggie said:
From the article:
The fire erupted in spite of what the company’s website calls “likely the most sophisticated automated and remote supervised and controlled fire suppression systems in the world.”
“The state-of-the-art fire prevention system is designed to detect fires before they start,” the company’s site says. “The system covers all areas where battery materials are stored or processed. It is monitored remotely 24/7 employing high-intensity industrial forward looking infrared…camera technology.”

The system was designed , built, and operated by humans. Which means it's not perfect and will fail at times. No system is perfect or foolproof.

10ring'r · Oct 31, 2024

sirhrmechanic said:
You know that 80 percent of SH is too young to get tht reference. And by too young… I mean in their ‘50’s!!!

Sirhr

I had a '76 Pinto "Runabout" Hatch-Back. Neat little car. You know what the fix was? Ford had to install a longer filler neck in the gas tank. Mac

sloporsche · Oct 31, 2024

anyone remember ....old pickup trucks with the tank behind the seat, porsche,corvettes , military jeeps , abrams [diesel] , medium trucks saddle tanks [gas] just to name a few

sirhrmechanic · Oct 31, 2024

sloporsche said:
anyone remember ....old pickup trucks with the tank behind the seat, porsche,corvettes , military jeeps , abrams [diesel] , medium trucks saddle tanks [gas] just to name a few

Land rovers where you sit on the tank?

We didn’t care. We drove like men…. And died like men!

Sirhr

sloporsche · Oct 31, 2024

10ring'r said:
I had a '76 Pinto "Runabout" Hatch-Back. Neat little car. You know what the fix was? Ford had to install a longer filler neck in the gas tank. Mac

they put a shield where the differential cover bolts could puncture the tank , chevy citation made an steel cage around the mechanical fuel pump , ford used inertia switches for the electric fuel pump

akmike47 · Oct 31, 2024

Bullfrog08 said:
I can't remember which country, but the car battery fires have become so hard to put out, they just pick the car up and dunk it in a tank.

Lithium can still burn under water.

I keep my lipos in ammo cans with most of the gasket removed in the fireplace I don’t use.

Threadcutter308 · Oct 31, 2024

sirhrmechanic said:
You know that 80 percent of SH is too young to get tht reference. And by too young… I mean in their ‘50’s!!!

Sirhr

Back in the latter '70's, there was an AM Radio DJ here in seattle by the name of "Steven Raybo". He was a few fries short of a Happy Meal. He had a Yellow Ford Pinto that he drove all around town. Right about that time, the state of warshington just started coming out with personalized license plates.

So, ole Raybo has to have himself a set for his beloved Pinto. What did they say ?.................."KABOOM"

brianf · Oct 31, 2024

akmike47 said:
Lithium can still burn under water.

I keep my lipos in ammo cans with most of the gasket removed in the fireplace I don’t use.

They just had a “battery” trade show of sorts.

Several new liquids to limit heat and electrical current to be used.

New shielding etc

I’ll try and find the article, was pretty interesting

akmike47 · Oct 31, 2024

brianf said:
They just had a “battery” trade show of sorts.

Several new liquids to limit heat and electrical current to be used.

New shielding etc

I’ll try and find the article, was pretty interesting

My batteries should charge at 1C, we charge them as high as 10C…party time

AZLong · Oct 31, 2024

sloporsche said:
anyone remember ....old pickup trucks with the tank behind the seat, porsche,corvettes , military jeeps , abrams [diesel] , medium trucks saddle tanks [gas] just to name a few

Fiero tank was under the center console

Sean the Nailer · Nov 1, 2024

'77 F-250 Custom Explorer. Tank behind the seat, inside cab.

'76 Mercury Bobcat, the cool version... was my second car.

Best Pinto paint-job I've ever seen, was the typical 70's flames but from the back bumper towards the door. Hilarious.

Short-bus · Nov 1, 2024

Missouri is the show me state....as in Show me how lithium burns up the plant.

GBMaryland · Nov 1, 2024

sirhrmechanic said:
You know that 80 percent of SH is too young to get tht reference. And by too young… I mean in their ‘50’s!!!

Sirhr

I’m trying to remember what movie it is that someone lightly tapped the back of a pinto and it explodes…. Blues Brothers?

Threadcutter308 · Nov 1, 2024

GBMaryland said:
I’m trying to remember what movie it is that someone lightly tapped the back of a pinto and it explodes…. Blues Brothers?

I don't remember that specifically being in Blues Brothers. But, Elwood did force the "Illinois Nazi's" Pinto (Wagon) off the end of an unfinished freeway off/on ramp.

GBMaryland · Nov 1, 2024

“I’ve always loved you.”

Threadcutter308 · Nov 1, 2024

GBMaryland said:
“I’ve always loved you.”

Exactly.......

roostercogburn98 · Nov 1, 2024

sirhrmechanic said:
Land rovers where you sit on the tank?

We didn’t care. We drove like men…. And died like men!

Sirhr

Spoken like a true misogynist

sirhrmechanic · Nov 1, 2024

GBMaryland said:
I’m trying to remember what movie it is that someone lightly tapped the back of a pinto and it explodes…. Blues Brothers?

Top Secret.

GBMaryland · Nov 1, 2024

sirhrmechanic said:
Top Secret.

There are was another too....

GBMaryland · Nov 1, 2024

Threadcutter308 said:
Exactly.......

I swear they musta dropped that car out of a C-130...

Well, this is interesting:

"IIn the final car chase scene, the production actually dropped a Ford Pinto, representing the one driven by the “Illinois Nazis,” from a helicopter at an altitude of more than a mile—and had to gain a Special Airworthiness Certificate from the Federal Aviation Administration to do it. The FAA was concerned that the car could prove too aerodynamic in a high-altitude drop, and pose a threat to nearby buildings. The shot leading up to the car drop, where the “Illinois Nazis” drive off a freeway ramp, was shot in Milwaukee, Wisconsin near the Hoan Bridge on Interstate 794. The Lake Freeway (North) was a planned but not completed 6-lane freeway and I-794 contained an unfinished ramp that the Nazis drove off. Several Milwaukee skyscrapers are visible in the background as the Bluesmobile flips over, notably the U.S. Bank Center."

https://brothers-ink.com/2015/12/stunt-team-for-the-blues-brothers/#:~:text=In%20the%20final%20car%20chase,Aviation%20Administration%20to%20do%20it.

sloporsche · Nov 1, 2024

GBMaryland said:
I’m trying to remember what movie it is that someone lightly tapped the back of a pinto and it explodes…. Blues Brothers?

airplane or police files ?

GBMaryland · Nov 1, 2024

Maybe.... Man you're old!

sloporsche · Nov 1, 2024

GBMaryland said:
Maybe.... Man you're old!

or top secret

10ring'r · Nov 1, 2024

sloporsche said:
they put a shield where the differential cover bolts could puncture the tank , chevy citation made an steel cage around the mechanical fuel pump , ford used inertia switches for the electric fuel pump

You're absolutely correct. I forgot about that extra shield on the diff.. Sucks getting old.
Mac

Darryle · Nov 1, 2024

sirhrmechanic said:
You know that 80 percent of SH is too young to get tht reference. And by too young… I mean in their ‘50’s!!!

Sirhr

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