I was about to say the last custom rifle delivered to me feeds and functions flawlessly, but it’s green and black.
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Tac Ops Victor 51
Terminus Apollo Action
McMillan U10 Stock
S&B 5-25x
Atlas CAL
This is why one builds a custom rifle... You pay the gunsmith to deliver a package that works out of the box.
Around 2/3 of the PRS guys build their rilfes this way.
Tac-ops even built a terminus appollo for Frank....so maybe you should pm @Lowlight or @MikeRTacOps ?
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There may well have been a problem with your Terminus. I don’t defend Terminus, don’t own one, the brand here is not important.I really disagree that I should have to fiddle with this at all. I did not see "some fiddling required" on the action website. Why would anyone bother with doing that when a factory action works fine. What do you gain?
Intelligent would’ve been to send it to terminus….Thank you to everyone who made an intelligent response to my original post.
I am not bashing, but simply stating my experience, the experience I had.
I didn’t address your last sentence. I don’t know anything about the Apollo, so let’s take the Terminus gains over a R700.I did not see "some fiddling required" on the action website. Why would anyone bother with doing that when a factory action works fine. What do you gain?
I really want a 6.5CM TacOps but that’s what keeps me away.I was shooting the TacOps / Apollo so much I was starting to sweat how many rounds it had down it so I stopped for a while.
I guess I don't see it that way. To use your analogy, it's like buying a new luxury microwave oven for my luxury home, but the electrical plug doesn't fit the socket that every other microwave oven fits without needing to be modified, bent, ground down, etc., and if I try to set the time to cook my frozen burrito, I need to use an additional clock because the timer on the new oven isn't calibrated correctly, is off by 27 seconds for every minute I set if for, and can only be corrected if I take it apart and "fiddle" with the wiring. I can blame the socket, and I can blame my perception of time (based on every other clock in the house). Or, I can buy another brand that plugs into the plug correctly and has a timer that works.There may well have been a problem with your Terminus. I don’t defend Terminus, don’t own one, the brand here is not important.
But it appears that, since you got lucky with your Defiance and Manners, you actually seem to think that experience is normal, par for the course, to be expected?
Do you understand that one can put a factory action into a third party stock made for that action and still have all sorts of problems? Or even put a Rem factory action in a different Rem factory stock and still have issues?
Because unlike car parts, bike parts, camera parts, and computer parts, a lot of gun parts aren’t CNC’d to some tight industry spec?
Coming from other high end consumer products, I understand why you’d think that. Example: if I spend way more than is necessary, it should just work, my time is valuable, etc etc. Not making fun of you here. I think that way too about a bunch of products.
But that’s just not how the gun world works man. Here, there’s are Gucci products, and then there is Gucci assembly of those products. They are not related.
If a precision rifle is like a house, your attitude is like, “I bought the most luxurious high-class slate for the roof. Now why doesn’t it just click together??”
If you want this stuff to just work, usually you have to pay good money for a gunsmith (or roofer) to put it together right. Unless you get lucky.
Speaking of luck, you’re lucky you’re into this hobby now.
Because not too long ago there weren’t prefits because manufacturers didn’t/couldn’t hold action tolerances tightly enough for that to be possible.
There weren’t chassis or mini-chassis; for the best groups you or a gunsmith often had to bed the action into the stock with messy epoxy, and then that stock was only good for that particular action. If it was a Rem 700, well, another supposedly identical Rem 700 action might not fit. You’d have to grind that bedding down and redo it with the new action and new epoxy.
Scope rings were probably not concentric to each other and needed to be lapped, or they might damage the scope tube’s finish or worse.
Etc.
Anyway, gun parts interoperability has come a long way in a relatively short time, but there’s a looong way to go.
Dude, you just don’t get it.
I contacted the manufacturer. They did not offer to address the issue. They simply said their magazine cut-outs are the same as Remington.Intelligent would’ve been to send it to terminus….
Same way trigger pullers don’t really know much about guns I’d imagine.2. How do you amass feedback of over 3 thousand and yet know so little about guns?
Sigh.I guess I don't see it that way. To use your analogy, it's like buying a new luxury microwave oven for my luxury home, but the electrical plug doesn't fit the socket that every other microwave oven fits without needing to be modified, bent, ground down, etc., and if I try to set the time to cook my frozen burrito, I need to use an additional clock because the timer on the new oven isn't calibrated correctly, is off by 27 seconds for every minute I set if for, and can only be corrected if I take it apart and "fiddle" with the wiring. I can blame the socket, and I can blame my perception of time (based on every other clock in the house). Or, I can buy another brand that plugs into the plug correctly and has a timer that works.
My first semi custom on a rem 700 had to have the extractor replaced after it came back from the smith. The $.05 spring steel wore out with the headspace checks. Rounds would drop in the mag, never eject, at all. After the swap, ran great. Should I have bitched out Remington for a shitty design? No, I called the smith and got the problem fixed, just another example for you.That really does not address the week ejection. If you try to eject an empty case from a Remington action, no matter how slowly you pull the bolt back, once the case mouth clears the receiver it gets thrown several feet. Regardless of which scope I used, and how fast or slowly I pulled the bolt back, the cases often barely tumbled out, and sometimes fell back into the receiver. I really disagree that I should have to fiddle with this at all. I did not see "some fiddling required" on the action website. Why would anyone bother with doing that when a factory action works fine. What do you gain?
Puuuuleeeze. lolI really want a 6.5CM TacOps but that’s what keeps me away.
The price too, ok.Puuuuleeeze. lol
My terminus Zeus in this video and you can see the brass eject.
This version’s switch bolts between the PRC and the 308, this was a PRC shot.
I switch mags, barrel and the bolt, it’s actually going back to 6.5CM as I went through 2 cases of PRC so time to put that up. Runs like a Swiss watch
link? I might want to place a bidOP says in his Gunbroker that the brass hits the windage knob. That’s not really a Terminus specific issue…
omg that's a great idea for realThere needs to be a feature on here, wherein you dont block users, but can put a little note or icon next to their username so you remember theyre retarded and to ignore their opinions on anything.
that's the only reason I don't own all the guns.The price too, ok.