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So over the Contrived and Repetitive Nature of Stages today
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Its a lot of work to run these things with 0 help. I'm a "new" shooter and I ended up being an RO and they are always begging for ROs. Setup/Tear down. People put a lot of hard work in and we got a lot of Sallies on the sidelines back seat driving. I couldn't get dick for help when RO during match to prepare even though I got last place (I'm just not very fast). All the top guys were "busy"
Yes I will bag on PRS for what it needs to improve. Still better than NOT shooting. Except for self-entitled "gimme a prize and I don't wanna have to do dick but show up" people. They suck.
One of the lower shooters got a new rifle in our match and one of the organizers got a new rifle as well. 0 issue with that. Hell I got a certificate for a discount and I basically was last place. And a hat! I'd still show up for free (In fact our finale I was supposed to shoot free as an RO, but i still paid--range time ain't free yo)
Yes I will bag on PRS for what it needs to improve. Still better than NOT shooting. Except for self-entitled "gimme a prize and I don't wanna have to do dick but show up" people. They suck.
One of the lower shooters got a new rifle in our match and one of the organizers got a new rifle as well. 0 issue with that. Hell I got a certificate for a discount and I basically was last place. And a hat! I'd still show up for free (In fact our finale I was supposed to shoot free as an RO, but i still paid--range time ain't free yo)
You know the PRS doesn’t run matches obviously and there were many matches before 2012 when the PRS formed right?
It was International Palma Matches where the host nation provided all the ammo because they wanted a level playing field and it’s a PIA to get ammo to certain places
Frank I quit shooting the matches when they went in the heavy non field equipment way. I coined the phrase IPSC with a sniper rifle. I have no problem with either it’s just not what I want to do
I miss the old field courses but I understand why the PRS has become more popular
I think what we miss is the older type training matches you, Jacob and Whittington used to put on. Of course they became less attended for awhile because the people doing them for training were mostly on two way ranges. Maybe it’s time to do more of them? Of course I am too broken to drag my butt around one of those courses but would help
Oh yeah....its a common problem, everyone bitches. No one helps. Lots of entitled people out there who think matches (of all kinds) just "happen"
Worst are the USPSA wannabe GMs who think they don't ahve to paste or reset.
I know thats off topic, but something I've noticed in the shooting sports. Everyone is gung ho until they ask for voluteers! I notice for about 40 shooters every week its the same 5 guys setting up. hmmmmmm
I may "bag" on the MD but I'm actually really nice "Have you thought about this......." On the hide I have to set my asshole level up about 10 notches.
Yup, way the fuck up north. Even well subscribed matches in the Vancouver area and the pacific NW struggle to break 40 shooters. This fall I’ve basically moved past the match travel comp game. No fun, too expensive in time&$$, results are irrelevant really. I will probably get a buddy or 2 to team up for a couple cool interesting matches a year I think. NRL Hunter style mostly. Regular PRS style we will squad with whoever the least experienced shooters are if we have a choice.
Jerry is no joke. I almost bought a 783 is an auction the other day.Be honest, you got tired of getting beat by Jerry and his Rem 783s
I shot PRS for almost 10 years most of it locally and regionally with a bit of national level too. This year I lost all interest. It became too much like a job to me. Spend a bunch of time in the reloading room, run to the range 2-4 times a month for live fire practice, do a bunch of dry fire practice in between. All of that for 20-40 minutes of actually shooting at a match.
Then add in buying barrels, brass, bullets powder and primers.
I have no ill will towards PRS and consider Ken a friend. I hope it grows and he can make a good living off of it for his family. Same goes for my local MDs, I hope it keeps growing and expanding.
It's just not for me anymore.
Then add in buying barrels, brass, bullets powder and primers.
I have no ill will towards PRS and consider Ken a friend. I hope it grows and he can make a good living off of it for his family. Same goes for my local MDs, I hope it keeps growing and expanding.
It's just not for me anymore.
That's the way I was with skeet... except I had been doing it over 40 years (NSSA competition less than half that). After the debacle of my last match - culminating in a twice-repeated "jam" on the last stage caused by leaving the
chamber flag in (no points match so they let me reshoot), I was about ready to quit.The problem is, I can't shoot for fun anymore. I crave the environment and "rush" of competition.
It has been my honor to have had two Vietnam-era fighter pilots in my life. Neither of them flew again after retirement. I asked one of them - he now rests in Arlington - why. He said pretty succinctly: after flying fast movers in combat, toodling around behind a fan had absolutely zero appeal.
In no way am I comparing combat to recreational shooting. I'm just saying there's a kick to competition that just doesn't happen with shooting for fun.
I do wish there were more seniors-friendly matches to be had (not so much "rifle yoga"). But I'm glad, now into my 70s, that I can still shoot PRS-style matches at all... I'm good with mid-pack finishes.
And my skeet gun is still in the safe. I hear it every so often.
I think this is a typical story.
People play the game, get heavily invested, and after a few years (5-10), get burnt out and pursue other things.
I started shooting PRS about 10-11 years ago, and I don't know if a single person in the top 20 from those days even competes anymore. Maybe even top 50 or more nationally. Lots of turnover.
It's all about why you shoot the sport. If you like it then keep shooting. Nothing says you have to go to every match and spend thousands on the game. I have been shooting the sport for 21 years now and still love to shoot matches. That said I have dialed it back from when I used to shoot a lot like you mentioned and then some. I used to fly around the country to go to matches as there weren't regional matches and ended up getting Delta Silver medallion one year with over 25,000 miles flown just going to matches. LOL
Take a year off and then start coming back in and shooting some local/regional and have fun. Don't worry about points and finales and BS like that. Hang with friends and enjoy it again.
I wonder if there is less burnout with the “buy once cry once” mindset than with the “buy, test, upgrade, repeat, learn from tinkering” mindset.
The former seems like it is more of a competition journey while the latter seems like it is more of an equipment journey.
The former seems to have one stressor, competition, while the latter has competition plus tinkering as a stressor.
Knowing which mindset you are in, and knowing when to switch, is likely of value for longevity.
Like my unfortunate tagline says, “If it ain’t broke, you can’t resist.”
-Stan
The former seems like it is more of a competition journey while the latter seems like it is more of an equipment journey.
The former seems to have one stressor, competition, while the latter has competition plus tinkering as a stressor.
Knowing which mindset you are in, and knowing when to switch, is likely of value for longevity.
Like my unfortunate tagline says, “If it ain’t broke, you can’t resist.”
-Stan
For me it was time and having a young family. Cost was another part.
3-4 hours round trip to go to the range 3-4 times per month. I stopped keeping track of time spent in the reloading room. Travel time, overnight time if it was an out of state match.
Cost was another factor. Though the gear chase probably kept me in it a little longer.
I might jump back in but probably in NRLH or Guardian matches. But for now I'll just golf with my old man and my crew from my firehouse.
3-4 hours round trip to go to the range 3-4 times per month. I stopped keeping track of time spent in the reloading room. Travel time, overnight time if it was an out of state match.
Cost was another factor. Though the gear chase probably kept me in it a little longer.
I might jump back in but probably in NRLH or Guardian matches. But for now I'll just golf with my old man and my crew from my firehouse.
No offense. There's other shooting sports that are fun to watch. This game is two shooters side by side standing. On the command, drop and hit 3 uneven distance targets faster than the other guy. Winner moves on.
Jump to the 4:45 min mark unless you want to see the people who aren't too bored to come watch. At 4:45 you can watch the non boring shooting getting going. Here it's start in prone, rapid fire unknown distance shooting at a single target with rifles that don't use muzzle brakes and irons. Where semi auto mil shooters can compete right next to civilian bolt gun shooters. Multiple shooters on the line simultaneously. Most impacts in the short time span wins. Typically the bolt guns are faster.
No way they could implement some kind picture in picture for context in PRS/NRL/22 videos....its never been done. Nevermind this video being 10yrs old.
Biathlon type sports are much bigger in Europe due to the longevity of the sport and the pipeline - and combining with skiing and running. And 22 rifles are much easier to setup for.
And this was at CCC in Navasota in crappy conditions. Prentice has made it clear he wants matches that get lots of hits and caters to the majority of the shooters. That's why he sells out every time.
Probably why they have crowds show up just to watch and TV shows dedicated for it. It has national pride and the government's self interest to motivate them to do something. Having the populace actively training and competing to build marksmen that have practical rapid ability to engage threats for national defense is a bonus for any country.
Sometimes I wonder if we here in the states would be more like that if we didn't bury our heads in professional sports. I think this is very engaging. But then I wouldn't be caught dead in a football stadium or watch ESPN.
