I was about to say the last custom rifle delivered to me feeds and functions flawlessly, but it’s green and black. 
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Terminus Action Review / Observations
- Thread starter N565 Guy
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That really does not address the week ejection. If you try to eject an empty case from a Remington action, no matter how slowly you pull the bolt back, once the case mouth clears the receiver it gets thrown several feet. Regardless of which scope I used, and how fast or slowly I pulled the bolt back, the cases often barely tumbled out, and sometimes fell back into the receiver. I really disagree that I should have to fiddle with this at all. I did not see "some fiddling required" on the action website. Why would anyone bother with doing that when a factory action works fine. What do you gain?
I think we can all agree that factory rifles suit you best.
There may well have been a problem with your Terminus. I don’t defend Terminus, don’t own one, the brand here is not important.
But it appears that, since you got lucky with your Defiance and Manners, you actually seem to think that experience is normal, par for the course, to be expected?
Do you understand that one can put a factory action into a third party stock made for that action and still have all sorts of problems? Or even put a Rem factory action in a different Rem factory stock and still have issues?
Because unlike car parts, bike parts, camera parts, and computer parts, a lot of gun parts aren’t CNC’d to some tight industry spec?
Coming from other high end consumer products, I understand why you’d think that. Example: if I spend way more than is necessary, it should just work, my time is valuable, etc etc. Not making fun of you here. I think that way too about a bunch of products.
But that’s just not how the gun world works man. Here, there’s are Gucci products, and then there is Gucci assembly of those products. They are not related.
If a precision rifle is like a house, your attitude is like, “I bought the most luxurious high-class slate for the roof. Now why doesn’t it just click together??”
If you want this stuff to just work, usually you have to pay good money for a gunsmith (or roofer) to put it together right. Unless you get lucky.
Speaking of luck, you’re lucky you’re into this hobby now.
Because not too long ago there weren’t prefits because manufacturers didn’t/couldn’t hold action tolerances tightly enough for that to be possible.
There weren’t chassis or mini-chassis; for the best groups you or a gunsmith often had to bed the action into the stock with messy epoxy, and then that stock was only good for that particular action. If it was a Rem 700, well, another supposedly identical Rem 700 action might not fit. You’d have to grind that bedding down and redo it with the new action and new epoxy.
Scope rings were probably not concentric to each other and needed to be lapped, or they might damage the scope tube’s finish or worse.
Etc.
Anyway, gun parts interoperability has come a long way in a relatively short time, but there’s a looong way to go.
Dude, you just don’t get it.
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I didn’t address your last sentence. I don’t know anything about the Apollo, so let’s take the Terminus gains over a R700.
You gain a very easy way to swap barrels vs having to use a barrel vise and action wrench, especially if you have barrel flats machined into your barrels à la AI.
You gain an integral pic rail and tang. They can’t come loose. You gain a 60° bolt throw and a three lug action (assuming you like these things). You gain better action coatings. Etc.
Buying a deluxe action has (almost) nothing to do with how easy it is to fit in your particular stock.
I say “almost” because yes, one assumes that a R700 clone custom action is close enough to a R700 footprint to fit in that stock, but beyond that, all bets are off.
Mag issues often are stock issues, not action manufacturing problems.
I am trying to help you understand and not putting you down.
Maybe I’m wasting my breath.
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I have two Apollos, two Zeus, and a Kratos, they are all flawless.
I was shooting the TacOps / Apollo so much I was starting to sweat how many rounds it had down it so I stopped for a while.
Last week I send Joel a message for the distressed limited Zeus in ppc so I can do a 6 ARC.
I was shooting the TacOps / Apollo so much I was starting to sweat how many rounds it had down it so I stopped for a while.
Last week I send Joel a message for the distressed limited Zeus in ppc so I can do a 6 ARC.
I really want a 6.5CM TacOps but that’s what keeps me away.
I guess I don't see it that way. To use your analogy, it's like buying a new luxury microwave oven for my luxury home, but the electrical plug doesn't fit the socket that every other microwave oven fits without needing to be modified, bent, ground down, etc., and if I try to set the time to cook my frozen burrito, I need to use an additional clock because the timer on the new oven isn't calibrated correctly, is off by 27 seconds for every minute I set if for, and can only be corrected if I take it apart and "fiddle" with the wiring. I can blame the socket, and I can blame my perception of time (based on every other clock in the house). Or, I can buy another brand that plugs into the plug correctly and has a timer that works.
I contacted the manufacturer. They did not offer to address the issue. They simply said their magazine cut-outs are the same as Remington.
There needs to be a feature on here, wherein you dont block users, but can put a little note or icon next to their username so you remember theyre retarded and to ignore their opinions on anything.
Sigh.
I’m describing what is.
You are describing what could be.*
A microwave is a single unit. You do not put it together. There is a solid, all-encompassing, UL-listed engineering standard for electrical plugs.
A custom precision rifle is a bunch of parts that need to be put together with care.
There is no equivalent-to-electrical-plug engineering standard of “R700 footprint” that is religiously (and accurately) followed all across the firearms industry…other than within the fantasy that exists inside your head.
Apparently, you are too proud to learn, or too stubborn to admit reality.
* I’d love it for rifles to be as you describe. It’d be actually awesome! For it’s hard to figure out stuff out by my lonesome, and it’s difficult to find competent gunsmiths.
I’m just thankful we have the Hide.
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My first semi custom on a rem 700 had to have the extractor replaced after it came back from the smith. The $.05 spring steel wore out with the headspace checks. Rounds would drop in the mag, never eject, at all. After the swap, ran great. Should I have bitched out Remington for a shitty design? No, I called the smith and got the problem fixed, just another example for you.
The more I read your responses, the more I think your problem shouldn’t be with Terminus, it should be with your smith. Why didn’t your smith want the rifle back? He called terminus thinking it’s their problem rather than fix the lack of setup he did and stuff he would’ve caught if he actually QC’d the thing?
Didn’t read the whole thread but it seems you maybe stopped a bit short hoping things would work out.
Why not have the ‘smith assemble the barreled action and stock? A few hundred more bucks and they’d make sure everything was squared and rounds feed properly. Probably would have saved you hours of headaches. Just my opinion
Why not have the ‘smith assemble the barreled action and stock? A few hundred more bucks and they’d make sure everything was squared and rounds feed properly. Probably would have saved you hours of headaches. Just my opinion
It really sounds like a fit issue, the stock and bottom metal are not playing well so it needs to be be adjusted.
MDT knows this why the chassis have adjustments to line up the magazine to the bottom metal. If either the stock, magazine or bottom metal is off it won’t run right. Sure in most cases it’s plug and play, but not always
Doesn’t have to have anything to do with the magazine cut. Slam a magazine in wrong enough times the feed lips will be outta whack and they sell tools to adjust magazines for this reason
That marriage needs a counselor
MDT knows this why the chassis have adjustments to line up the magazine to the bottom metal. If either the stock, magazine or bottom metal is off it won’t run right. Sure in most cases it’s plug and play, but not always
Doesn’t have to have anything to do with the magazine cut. Slam a magazine in wrong enough times the feed lips will be outta whack and they sell tools to adjust magazines for this reason
That marriage needs a counselor
My terminus Zeus in this video and you can see the brass eject.
This version’s switch bolts between the PRC and the 308, this was a PRC shot.
I switch mags, barrel and the bolt, it’s actually going back to 6.5CM as I went through 2 cases of PRC so time to put that up. Runs like a Swiss watch
Look OP, everyone talks about great customer CS and from what I have experienced, no one gives a shit. We're just chumps. They got your money and we're just small players.
That being said, Terminus is not one to just give up the ghost, its actually quite an anomaly. Sounds like you have issues at several levels going on--first with your smith--if he can't get it right and he can't work with the manufactuer that's sign #1. I actually asked my guy what he prefered working with, and he was not a fan of the CdG, are all of em bitch about metric threads with the AI. So there's a tip--don't use them for those builds. I gotta send off to Bugholes or MileHigh to get my barrels. If you wanted a terminus, find a guy who works with terminus actions and specializes in them. I just moved so I don't know dick for gunsmiths. Hell at least Pierce Engineering answers my questions.
Finally if you are gonna come on and bitch bring data. Pics, targets, movies, etc. If you are in this field you are gonna have to learn to self-diagnose, whether its rifle, handloads, gear, scopes, everything. FFS we play with high explosives and 60,000PSI. Way back as a "yute" with my first super special black rifle that wouldn't feed and was jam-o-matic a nice fella showed me how to scrape the plastic off my mags feed lips. I mean the whole point of guns is like Barbie, but for men. I think you need to have a heart to heart with your smith and maybe burn down Terminus ear hole before coming around because Terminus has a good rep for stuff "that works" and unless you bring data, you are just another crank with an axe to grind.
-Sincerely obnoxious crank with a ton of axes to grind, but no one gives a shit.
The first step repeat after me "I am no one and no one gives a shit about me, I gotta fix my own stuff as best I can" Its a tough world, nothing personal..I have to repeat that everyday myself. Hell I can't get (local) guns smiths to take my money and build a rifle. Just move along and find someone who will.
That being said, Terminus is not one to just give up the ghost, its actually quite an anomaly. Sounds like you have issues at several levels going on--first with your smith--if he can't get it right and he can't work with the manufactuer that's sign #1. I actually asked my guy what he prefered working with, and he was not a fan of the CdG, are all of em bitch about metric threads with the AI. So there's a tip--don't use them for those builds. I gotta send off to Bugholes or MileHigh to get my barrels. If you wanted a terminus, find a guy who works with terminus actions and specializes in them. I just moved so I don't know dick for gunsmiths. Hell at least Pierce Engineering answers my questions.
Finally if you are gonna come on and bitch bring data. Pics, targets, movies, etc. If you are in this field you are gonna have to learn to self-diagnose, whether its rifle, handloads, gear, scopes, everything. FFS we play with high explosives and 60,000PSI. Way back as a "yute" with my first super special black rifle that wouldn't feed and was jam-o-matic a nice fella showed me how to scrape the plastic off my mags feed lips. I mean the whole point of guns is like Barbie, but for men. I think you need to have a heart to heart with your smith and maybe burn down Terminus ear hole before coming around because Terminus has a good rep for stuff "that works" and unless you bring data, you are just another crank with an axe to grind.
-Sincerely obnoxious crank with a ton of axes to grind, but no one gives a shit.
The first step repeat after me "I am no one and no one gives a shit about me, I gotta fix my own stuff as best I can" Its a tough world, nothing personal..I have to repeat that everyday myself. Hell I can't get (local) guns smiths to take my money and build a rifle. Just move along and find someone who will.
Sounds like a scope issue then but rather then admit that the scope is the problem let’s come on here a bash a company. Just stick with you r700 guns op….customs aren’t for you.
I have owned several custom actions over the years from a handful of brands, and I currently own a Terminus Apollo. The quality of the action, as well as the customer service has been top notch. I wanted a new bolt knob from him and the Terminus site was down, so I called to order it and he overnighted it to me free of charge WITH a t-shirt for my trouble. Joel came from Curtis Custom and left to run his own company with an emphasis on customer service because Curtis has/had one of the worst in the business. I simply cannot fathom if you were having all of these issues with your Apollo that he just didn't want to help you out. I could be totally wrong and would eat my words if there were proof of Joel leaving you out to dry, but my issue with this post is that it takes a shot at Terminus and Joel specifically because he is pretty much a one man shop. That being said, there is such a thing as a poorly made action or bolt even from a top tier manufacturer. But I would bet all 12 dollars in my bank account that Joel absolutely would've made the situation right if you requested help. Emailing him to ask about the mag well dimensions doesn't at all qualify as asking for help because you think something is wrong with the action.
Yeah, the OP sounded either like a perfectionist that’s never dealt with piecing disparate gun parts together. Or that plus autistic as heck.
Autistic because he just didn’t seem to be able to understand anything (like unstated manufacturer human expectations) beyond pure Spock-like “Vulcan logic.”
Autistic because he just didn’t seem to be able to understand anything (like unstated manufacturer human expectations) beyond pure Spock-like “Vulcan logic.”
Nah, no pics. I feel he just was here to bash Terminus under the guise of asking for help. I don’t even own a Terminus.
Yeah, but just a pic of the action wasn’t showing his problem. It needed to be in the stock, with a mag, preferably with a scope attached. He stated he had already decided to sell it before posting here, and he was just “wondering” if anyone else had experiences with a Terminus Apollo.
That’s a classic passive-aggressive move.
Oh sorry, I thought you said you didn’t think he even owned a terminus, but you said “I don’t even own one”.
That’s why you shouldn’t post at 5am
That’s why you shouldn’t post at 5am
