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Springfield Armory 1911 DS Prodigy
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I don't know why but it's been a while since I've enjoyed something as much as my POORDIGY
I only wish it was a few ounces lighter
I like it so much that I've installed a nighthawk drop in trigger which is excellent btw and I have a jarvis threaded barrel to use suppressed and a phoenix trinity hero grip
will report back once installed
I only wish it was a few ounces lighter
I like it so much that I've installed a nighthawk drop in trigger which is excellent btw and I have a jarvis threaded barrel to use suppressed and a phoenix trinity hero grip
will report back once installed
Loosing the fiber is pretty common I guess. My buddy had his a month or so before I bought mine. If you run an aggressive fitting schedule, this pistol gets hot. He lost his and replaced it with red. The fibers is cheap and can be changed on the range with a knife and a lighter so ehhhh.
Not needed anyway. I may actually paint mine over or replace the front sight. I don’t like the green dot in the view with the ACRO.
I just ordered a Phoenix Trinity Hero aluminum DLC grip for my Prodigy. Probably my only complaint about this Prodigy is the plastic grip. It works, but is cheap and I already had an issue of plastic starting to egg out plastic removing and reinstalling the mag release
I think with this Hero grip this pistol is 100% perfect.
I think with this Hero grip this pistol is 100% perfect.
My order was paid for and has been processing since August 24. Was hoping to install it this weekend but it hasn't shipped yet. Was in stock when I ordered.
I'm the same way. I'm not a huge fan of the plastic grips the way the feel in the hand especially the one in the poordigy. The dimensions and design of it are fine but the plastic itself doesn't have a great hand feel if you ask me
Interesting. When I ordered it said 33 in stock. Hoping it comes in a reasonable time
The Cheely are interesting also. If things slow down with work I'm going to order up cheely parts and try my hand at assembling a 2011 but things are way too busy for me right now
As an update, I ordered my Phoenix Trinity Hero on 8/31 and it shipped this morning with UPS tracking.
Phoenix Trinity Hero came today. Installation was problem free. Feels awesome in the hand. Super happy with the purchase and fixed my only gripe with the Prodigy
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Played with it more today. Just feels amazing in your hand, weight is perfect, fit and finish is top notch. The sticky factory safety is fixed as this Hero grip comes with its own safety. For the amount of money I have into this Prodigy and the way it shoots, couldnt be happier.
I just ripped the atlas trigger out. Replaced it with a Red Dirt ST flat trigger. Main reason being the set screw adjustable pretravel while gun is assembled vs the Atlas that requires you to bend those tabs.
Bending tabs isn't precise and a huge pain in the ass as you have to keep completely disassembling and reassembling the gun to make an adjustment..
This Red Dirt is fucking awesome. Feels great, slides in the PT Hero grip like butter, perfect fit. You can reassemble the gun and just remove the grip safety and it comes with a long Allen wrench to adjust the pretravel set screw while testing live with hammer cocked until its perfect. Takes 60 seconds. And comes with a tube of loctite to put on the set screw before you adjust.
Trigger is perfect now. I did re-adjust the trigger pull weight to 2.5lb.. 2lb was just too light for me.
Bending tabs isn't precise and a huge pain in the ass as you have to keep completely disassembling and reassembling the gun to make an adjustment..
This Red Dirt is fucking awesome. Feels great, slides in the PT Hero grip like butter, perfect fit. You can reassemble the gun and just remove the grip safety and it comes with a long Allen wrench to adjust the pretravel set screw while testing live with hammer cocked until its perfect. Takes 60 seconds. And comes with a tube of loctite to put on the set screw before you adjust.
Trigger is perfect now. I did re-adjust the trigger pull weight to 2.5lb.. 2lb was just too light for me.
It won't be long before you're into that Springfield for the same money as a long block build or TSO.
So same money as a TSO and a few hundred less than a long block.
Once you really start shooting it you'll probably need to replace the small parts. I don't see that gun going more than 20k rounds before a rebuild.
Thanks. I'm not a fan of the CZ TSO at all. I had a gun shop trying to give me one years ago to offset some of an invoice they owed me for IT work. I didn't like how it felt in my hand or looked. Just not my cup of tea
And from my research the STI Edge quality fell off the rebranded to Staccato and dropped the Edge... looking at staccato a 5" 2011 like my prodigy ds5 is $3899.. this is the reason I went prodigy picking it up for $1250 and putting right around $1000 into it and it runs smooth as hell and feels amazing in my hand. I'm 1000% happy with it.
They're not for everyone... personally, I hate how thin the aluminum CZ Orange grips are, and they would have to be replaced with something else immediately for me, but generally, I love all CZs lol. Most guys have never felt a handgun trigger as light and awesome as what comes on a CZ TSO straight out of the box... they're kind of "gateway drug to race guns" in that regard lol.
Staccatos are straight trash IMO. STI was an amazing employee-owned company, Texans making 1911-patterned guns and only 1911-patterned guns, so even the lower-priced ones kicked ass. Staccato is for fake operators and other Chads, they purchased STI trying to buy instant credibility (and in a way, sort of did) but the guns aren't anything near what STI turned out.
It really is worth searching out old STIs on Gunbroker or whatever from the late 90s into early 2000s... they're still not too overpriced and there is real mojo there, as a guitar guy, it's kind of like what you get in a vintage Les Paul or Strat, they really don't "make them like they used to"...
No, a Long Block is a fit slide, frame, and barrel. There's a bunch of sources, Brazos for example. STI did sell fit slide and frames to build guns on but stopped well before they were bought out.
CZs are incredibly customizable. If you don't like the grips there's endless options. The reason I mentioned the TSO is because of it's fit slide and frame, unlike a standard Tactical Sport or Shadow 1/2. CZ makes a Shadow 2 Orange as well, same fit parts.
It's ironic calling Staccatos trash in a Springfield thread. Most of the STI complaints were from people that didn't understand what they were buying. Those guns didn't just run without maintenance. Same as all the new 2011 in vogue today. Most people just don't shoot them enough to find out.
I get the point of the Springfield, however, if you change all of the parts chasing reliability, quality, customization, etc, you'll spend as much, or more, than if you just bought a good gun in the first place.
I understand the point you are making it and I think it makes a lot of sense for people are not going to replace any of the parts themselves where they would need to send the gun to a pistol smith to make any of the changes.
If you are happy with leaving a staccato the way it is then your post also makes a lot of sense.
A lot of people have had staccatos before and have been underwhelmed by them. I'm not going to call a staccato a trash gun even though it is fun to upset the staccato fan boys.
In my opinion the poordigy is a base to build off of where you can shoot it after each change and seeing the effect each change makes versus ordering parts and assembling a 2011 from scratch. It's an easy, available, convenient way to test your hand tinkering with 2011's
If everything goes well with changing out the parts on my POORDIGY and I feel like it's a good finished product then I will send it off to have all the parts DLC'd in the same batch as when I order parts to do an assembly from scratch with Cheley and Phoenix and Atlas and Nighthawk and EGW and Dawson parts mostly.
Just got back from shooting about 500rd through my Prodigy for the first time since installing the PT Hero grip and Red Dirt trigger and tuning it.
I ran off a few thousand 124gr 9mm with 4.0gr Titegroup. 1023 SD 11 on my 1050 autodrive
Man this thing is absolutely perfect. Smooth as silk, trigger is amazing and feels great in the hand. Not a single hiccup or issue.
I'm done messing with it. It's exactly how I want it.
I ran off a few thousand 124gr 9mm with 4.0gr Titegroup. 1023 SD 11 on my 1050 autodrive
Man this thing is absolutely perfect. Smooth as silk, trigger is amazing and feels great in the hand. Not a single hiccup or issue.
I'm done messing with it. It's exactly how I want it.
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Saw this the other day, Ed Brown is doing mods on them for about $2600. A bit steep considering they are close to $1000 street price, but when you consider a $1500+ MSRP, but for a beavertail, ambi safety, EDM trigger, reliability package, flattened/serrated slide top, recessed crown, dehorn and coated if you want all that stuff with full warranty it's probably not a horrible setup.
Granted if you don't you can probably get a good 1911/2011 smith to do the work for less, or do it yourself for less
www.edbrown.com
Granted if you don't you can probably get a good 1911/2011 smith to do the work for less, or do it yourself for less
Ed Brown Fueled® Prodigy™ | Ed Brown Products
The next platform of choice for the Fueled® Series is the Springfield Armory® Prodigy™, a customized double stack 1911 with our lifetimes of experience applied
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love mine also
Installed phoenix hero trinity grip and also Dawson tool less guide rod
Still waiting on Jarvis threaded barrel for suppressed use
Loved tinkering with mine so much I’m ordering cheely parts to assemble my own. Going to style it after the atlas ares
Put another 300-400rds through mine this week of my 124gr 1013fps Titegroup load. Ran flawless, zero issues.
Jarvis threaded barrel finally came in
Think I’ll replace the safety and slide stop and extractor next for machined parts
Think I’ll replace the safety and slide stop and extractor next for machined parts
I took my Prodigy out today to shoot with my brand new SIG P320 XFive DH3. Man these are 2 badass pistols. They both are stupid accurate, feel amazing in the hand and shoot flat as hell.
Im going to throw this Holosun 507c up for sale and grab another Delta Point Pro I put on the P320. While the 507c runs great, I just like the bigger window of the DPP. I have a ROMEO1 Pro on my other P320 which also has a bigger window but I just love this DPP.
Banging some plates at 15yds with boring consistency. Such a joy to shoot.
Im going to throw this Holosun 507c up for sale and grab another Delta Point Pro I put on the P320. While the 507c runs great, I just like the bigger window of the DPP. I have a ROMEO1 Pro on my other P320 which also has a bigger window but I just love this DPP.
Banging some plates at 15yds with boring consistency. Such a joy to shoot.
Started my oldest boy in a local range’s beginner handgun league this year. Intro’s new shooters to the handgun sports, takes them from complete noob to being able to handle a full stage safely. Been shooting it with him, he’s getting pretty sucked in, having lots of fun and wants to shoot all the time. He’s doing pretty well with a Glock 19 at 12 years old and kind of small. Found a great deal on a lightly used 4.25” prodigy, he’s getting it for Christmas. Of course I had to “function” test it first 
. It’s surprisingly not as far away as I would’ve thought from my Staccato P.
. It’s surprisingly not as far away as I would’ve thought from my Staccato P.
The correct terminology it "I had to safety test to ensure its suitable for a minor to handle and use". (As you are a responsible person).Of course I had to “function” test it first
It clearly passed the test.
Started my oldest boy in a local range’s beginner handgun league this year. Intro’s new shooters to the handgun sports, takes them from complete noob to being able to handle a full stage safely. Been shooting it with him, he’s getting pretty sucked in, having lots of fun and wants to shoot all the time. He’s doing pretty well with a Glock 19 at 12 years old and kind of small. Found a great deal on a lightly used 4.25” prodigy, he’s getting it for Christmas. Of course I had to “function” test it first
That's great. It's a nice pistol out of the box and everything on it can be upgraded to make it everything your Staccato is if he so desires down the line.
I was pleasantly surprised, granted zero experience with Springfield 1911’s. Was expecting something like a rock island reading/watching all the bullshit on them out there. Read through this thread and it seemed like a no brainer for a base to be modded as skills improve. So, thank you for posting your project, it’s super helpful for me.
Edited to add, my local honey hole had 2 of the same 4.25”, each for $1k. Appeared to have the same light wear, 1 was great, 1 was terrible. The slide was oiled but would stick in various positions and stay here until helped, among other things, the choice was obvious.
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I ended up getting another Prodigy a while back. 5” in FDE. I haven’t had a chance to do anything to it yet but run a single mag through it. It was smoother out of the box than the black one.
For some inexpensive upgrades that make a HUGE difference the EGW Ignition kit and Red Dirt trigger are awesome upgrades. Night and day difference from the factory trigger My factory trigger was gritty and got a little better as I dry fired more but isnt even a comparison to the EGW/Red Dirt upgrade.
Nice!!! I wish they made a 10mm version. I would buy it in a second.
Short Story version:
Got the 5” and I’m surprised that I like it as much as I do. Plan to put 12,000 on it in 2025.
Long Story version:
Just picked up a 5” prodigy. First 2011/DS/WTFever you wanna call it. Was going to buy a Staccato P but figured I’d try this out for 2025 matches to see if I like it more than my G17. If I do, I’ll get a Staccato P for 2026.
Snagged it used (it actually looked new and couldn’t imagine the original owner shooting more than a mag through it) from a local shop. I sold the Hex Dragonfly and optics plate that came with it so the gun ran me just under $900. Popped on my RM06 and X300V on it and ordered up a safariland and 5 extra SA mags. Cleaned and lubed it the way I do my Glock and then ran 1,000rds of Speer 124gr TMJ. Goal was to see how long it would go without a malfunction while running it like I run my G17.
500rds day 1, 150rds day 2, 150rds day 3, and 200rds day 4 (all within a week and no cleaning or lubrication other than what I did when I got it).
First failure (stovepipe) was just at 900rds. From 900-100 it became super sluggish with those rounds pretty much becoming single shot with my pushing the slide forward with my support thumb lol. It his was expected but I just wanted to see what it can do if I treated it like my Glock.
Note on round count: I actually have 1100rds on it as I ran through 100rds of various JHP ammo I had in some boxes. Ate Federal, Speer, defender ammo without malfunction.
Accuracy wise it’s extremely easy to hit exactly what you want with it and cleaning a timed dot torture drill is stupid easy. (Not that it’s a hard drill but still.)
Speed is well 2011 fast which is easily faster in the hands of an average shooter. Sub .2 splits are easily done by most without any real effort, whereas with a factory glock you have to work for it.
Springfield (duramag) mags are solid. No issues with magazines for the 1,000rds.
It’s a blast to shoot and I plan to keep it stock outside of a 10-8 tooless plug and a Taran magwell. Is there a shootability difference it and the staccato P? Eh not really. I’ve run a buddy’s stock P and it shoots the same. Is the prodigy as finished and fine tuned as a P? No. Not at all. Recoil is the same. P’s trigger is nicer but I can shoot the same groups.
Now when compared to my other buddy’s XC, his is A LOT flatter when doing rapid drills. But that’s outside of what I want in a pistol. …and price
Do I like the prodigy? Yes.
Do I regret getting it as a Glock fan boi? No.
Will most handgun shooters be able to out shoot (as in be limited by the gun and not their ability) it in its stock configuration? No…and that’s true for any pistol really.
Will I still buy a P in 2026 if I still like it? Who knows. But that’s the current plan.
Hope my ramblings helped convince someone to try a new pistol or at the least get rounds downrange instead of watching TV.
Got the 5” and I’m surprised that I like it as much as I do. Plan to put 12,000 on it in 2025.
Long Story version:
Just picked up a 5” prodigy. First 2011/DS/WTFever you wanna call it. Was going to buy a Staccato P but figured I’d try this out for 2025 matches to see if I like it more than my G17. If I do, I’ll get a Staccato P for 2026.
Snagged it used (it actually looked new and couldn’t imagine the original owner shooting more than a mag through it) from a local shop. I sold the Hex Dragonfly and optics plate that came with it so the gun ran me just under $900. Popped on my RM06 and X300V on it and ordered up a safariland and 5 extra SA mags. Cleaned and lubed it the way I do my Glock and then ran 1,000rds of Speer 124gr TMJ. Goal was to see how long it would go without a malfunction while running it like I run my G17.
500rds day 1, 150rds day 2, 150rds day 3, and 200rds day 4 (all within a week and no cleaning or lubrication other than what I did when I got it).
First failure (stovepipe) was just at 900rds. From 900-100 it became super sluggish with those rounds pretty much becoming single shot with my pushing the slide forward with my support thumb lol. It his was expected but I just wanted to see what it can do if I treated it like my Glock.
Note on round count: I actually have 1100rds on it as I ran through 100rds of various JHP ammo I had in some boxes. Ate Federal, Speer, defender ammo without malfunction.
Accuracy wise it’s extremely easy to hit exactly what you want with it and cleaning a timed dot torture drill is stupid easy. (Not that it’s a hard drill but still.)
Speed is well 2011 fast which is easily faster in the hands of an average shooter. Sub .2 splits are easily done by most without any real effort, whereas with a factory glock you have to work for it.
Springfield (duramag) mags are solid. No issues with magazines for the 1,000rds.
It’s a blast to shoot and I plan to keep it stock outside of a 10-8 tooless plug and a Taran magwell. Is there a shootability difference it and the staccato P? Eh not really. I’ve run a buddy’s stock P and it shoots the same. Is the prodigy as finished and fine tuned as a P? No. Not at all. Recoil is the same. P’s trigger is nicer but I can shoot the same groups.
Now when compared to my other buddy’s XC, his is A LOT flatter when doing rapid drills. But that’s outside of what I want in a pistol. …and price
Do I like the prodigy? Yes.
Do I regret getting it as a Glock fan boi? No.
Will most handgun shooters be able to out shoot (as in be limited by the gun and not their ability) it in its stock configuration? No…and that’s true for any pistol really.
Will I still buy a P in 2026 if I still like it? Who knows. But that’s the current plan.
Hope my ramblings helped convince someone to try a new pistol or at the least get rounds downrange instead of watching TV.
Short Story version:
Got the 5” and I’m surprised that I like it as much as I do. Plan to put 12,000 on it in 2025.
Long Story version:
Just picked up a 5” prodigy. First 2011/DS/WTFever you wanna call it. Was going to buy a Staccato P but figured I’d try this out for 2025 matches to see if I like it more than my G17. If I do, I’ll get a Staccato P for 2026.
Snagged it used (it actually looked new and couldn’t imagine the original owner shooting more than a mag through it) from a local shop. I sold the Hex Dragonfly and optics plate that came with it so the gun ran me just under $900. Popped on my RM06 and X300V on it and ordered up a safariland and 5 extra SA mags. Cleaned and lubed it the way I do my Glock and then ran 1,000rds of Speer 124gr TMJ. Goal was to see how long it would go without a malfunction while running it like I run my G17.
500rds day 1, 150rds day 2, 150rds day 3, and 200rds day 4 (all within a week and no cleaning or lubrication other than what I did when I got it).
First failure (stovepipe) was just at 900rds. From 900-100 it became super sluggish with those rounds pretty much becoming single shot with my pushing the slide forward with my support thumb lol. It his was expected but I just wanted to see what it can do if I treated it like my Glock.
Note on round count: I actually have 1100rds on it as I ran through 100rds of various JHP ammo I had in some boxes. Ate Federal, Speer, defender ammo without malfunction.
Accuracy wise it’s extremely easy to hit exactly what you want with it and cleaning a timed dot torture drill is stupid easy. (Not that it’s a hard drill but still.)
Speed is well 2011 fast which is easily faster in the hands of an average shooter. Sub .2 splits are easily done by most without any real effort, whereas with a factory glock you have to work for it.
Springfield (duramag) mags are solid. No issues with magazines for the 1,000rds.
It’s a blast to shoot and I plan to keep it stock outside of a 10-8 tooless plug and a Taran magwell. Is there a shootability difference it and the staccato P? Eh not really. I’ve run a buddy’s stock P and it shoots the same. Is the prodigy as finished and fine tuned as a P? No. Not at all. Recoil is the same. P’s trigger is nicer but I can shoot the same groups.
Now when compared to my other buddy’s XC, his is A LOT flatter when doing rapid drills. But that’s outside of what I want in a pistol. …and price
Do I like the prodigy? Yes.
Do I regret getting it as a Glock fan boi? No.
Will most handgun shooters be able to out shoot (as in be limited by the gun and not their ability) it in its stock configuration? No…and that’s true for any pistol really.
Will I still buy a P in 2026 if I still like it? Who knows. But that’s the current plan.
Hope my ramblings helped convince someone to try a new pistol or at the least get rounds downrange instead of watching TV.
My 5" factory trigger was gritty and left a lot to be desired out of the box. That was on a brand new 5" pistol.
For under $250 you can throw a EGW Ignition kit, RED Dirt trigger and Tooless guide ride and spring in there and its a completely different pistol. Every other upgrade is purely cosmetic after this.
Prodigy Grip ST Trigger - Flat Black | RED DIRT USA
New redesigned trigger shoe specifically for the SA Prodigy! The number of step-downs tell you exactly which trigger size it is. For example, the F3 is a flat
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Do you guys install these ignition kits yourselves? It needs to be fitted correct? I’m certain I don’t have the skills to be messing with filing sears and whatever else goes into that. I definitely don’t know a 1911 gunsmith I can trust. Just curious if you guys are sending yours out for someone to do the install.
Most of the parts are drop in, at least on my brand new 5-in prodigy.
The plunger had to be fit and all I did was lightly move it across a stone and keep fitting it until it was perfect
The spring you just slightly bend each finger until you have reset and trigger pull where you want it.
There's a great YouTube video showing you exactly how to do this and it's not hard
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Also, to be clear, there are multiple triggers you can put in the Prodigy. Atlas, Red Dirt, etc..
I have both the Atlas and Red Dirt and I find the Red Dirt the best design thats all
I did the trigger thing for my Bul armory, I would tell you to order an extra sear spring and get yourself some snap caps.
When you're done getting things installed and you need to test it, put the snap caps in a mag and drop the slide about 100 times to make sure you don't get hammer follow.
And of course dry fire and test the trigger feel as you do it.
That Atlas video above helped me a lot and I got things done, but I'm glad I had extra sear springs to play with, as I adjusted and re-adjusted a lot trying to find perfect. I also liked that I had a couple different brand sear springs, they had different feel. But you get one with the kit and you'll have your stock, so you'll at least have two just there.
It's intimidating for a first timer but it isn't rocket surgery and you can always pop the stock stuff back in or just order a new individual part, like the plunger, if you mess something up.
But just make sure your safeties work how you want them to work when you're done, make sure you don't get hammer follow, because full auto may be cool, but it's not so much when you aren't expecting it.
So use snap caps and drop the slide to make sure you do not get hammer follow, test this to the nines.
I also went with a red dirt trigger and I would also recommend them, I adjust out almost all pre-travel and when you do that the beavertail safety may not work, I didn't care, so I left it. Red dirt noted that will be the case with no/near no pre-travel, it could be fixed with a relief cut on the trigger bar but they noted that's a delicate process best done by a smith.
If you don't adjust pre-travel out like crazy, like I did, it won't be an issue, I also did it with a Bul 2011, there's a chance your gun may not do it anyway.
But I'll also note, I really like having no pre-travel, she's in quick mode setup like that, still positive reset, but she's at the wall and ready to break immediately. It's nice.
Yea I adjusted out all the pre-travel in my Prodigy with the Red Dirt trigger and EGW ignition kit and my grip safety works perfectly.
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