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    I have a Colt 44 mag I love and am looking at a lever action Marlin in the same caliber...partly because ....lever gun...and because I already shoot 44 mag so its not adding another caliber.

    I'l looking at some practice rounds bu the same manufacturer one in 200 gr TMJ and the other in 240 gr TMJ.. The manufacturers site gives velocity, 1350 and 1220 respectively. I'm wondering, will the smaller buller at a higher speed do more damage than the larger bullet at a slower speed.

    And yes I know if I were carrying it for self defense forget the TMJ and get the HP.
     
    I'm wondering, will the smaller buller at a higher speed do more damage than the larger bullet at a slower speed.
    A million interweb experts have and will argue that question till the end of time.

    Pick whichever shoots better and rock on…

    I’ve killed deer with bullets ranging from 180-320gr out of 44s and none of the deer complained that the bullet was too light or too heavy.
     
    I have an older Ruger blackhawk with an 8 inch barrel and it likes the 240 grain soft point and lead bullets. It also shoots the 225 FTX really well. With the lever gun the FTX or heavier TMJ's should do really well.
     

    There used to be a website called biggameinfo, but it is gone. They had a calculator that gave balistics as well as a optimal game weight.
    The formula is in the link above.
     
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    I’ve shot a couple of deer with a S&W 8&3/8ths Model 29 using Rem 240 JSP.
    Blows right thru the deer. With a TMJ bullet, as far as penetration, I doubt that 200 or 240 makes any difference.
    But POI will change so practice with the same weight as you would use for any serious work.
    BTW Winchester makes a 210 gr Silvertip 44 Mag load that is reduced velocity and therefore recoil.
    Winchester used to make a 200gr 44 Special that was ideal out of a 44 Mag revolver.
    -Richard
     
    "Structural integrity" of the bullet will have as much to do with the correct answer as anything. Since we're talking hypothetically without knowing which bullet we're shooting and what we're the shooting with it, the answer is.... 4?
     
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    Admittedly ignorant question--are TMJs safe in a Marlin lever action?
    If the meplat is larger than the primer, no problem. I’ve got some boxes of CCI Blazer that came in a trade and they work just fine.

    Round Nose and Spire points are the ones to avoid in tubular magazines.

    The Marlin and the Winchester 1892 (and clones/copies) are my go to carbines in 44 mag. I don’t care for the Winchester 1894 because that action was designed for the longer Rifle cartridges (30-30 etal). Either have their pluses and minuses but do the job very well.

    If you can post a picture of the TMJ.
     
    My old 1990’s Marlin 1894SS likes factory Hornady LeverEvolution 225’s… Here’s a sub-MOA 100 yard 3-shot group.

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    I have a Colt 44 mag I love and am looking at a lever action Marlin in the same caliber...partly because ....lever gun...and because I already shoot 44 mag so its not adding another caliber.

    I'l looking at some practice rounds bu the same manufacturer one in 200 gr TMJ and the other in 240 gr TMJ.. The manufacturers site gives velocity, 1350 and 1220 respectively. I'm wondering, will the smaller buller at a higher speed do more damage than the larger bullet at a slower speed.

    And yes I know if I were carrying it for self defense forget the TMJ and get the HP.

    FTX 225 Gr. is the answer . I run mine just short of 1500 Fps. with 25.2 Gr. IMR 4227 and it's killed whatever it's hit without excessive running or tracking . I prefer IMR 4227 for it's proven accuracy out of MY .44 . Yes Win 296 bumps velocity but lacks accuracy in MY weapon .

    I've used one better than 5 decades and always carry MY S&W 29 4" for protection while hunting Grizzly Country .
    I hunt with MY Ruger RedHawk 7.5" scoped .


    Between 1300fps and 1200fps it is important to use a bullet capable of very fast expansion when hunting medium sized game. While I understand that Elmer Keith was a great proponent of flat point bullets, all too often we ignore the fact that he went on to develop bullets with very deep hollow points. At higher velocities we can place some reliance on hydraulic force but as velocity falls away, bullet expansion helps to initiate mechanical wounding. In plain terms, the wider the expanded bullet, the faster the kill.


    Hunters concerned with speed of killing should consider 1300fps as the cut off point for disproportionate to caliber wounding using the .44 bore.

    I'll also add that I own one of the #5 Original Dirty Harry .44 Magnums ,which has Warner Bros. Property & # engraved on the Butt Strap ,it's 6" NOT 6.5 and came with Letter of authenticity when I purchased it in 1982 . The late John Bianchi aka Mr. Leather was with Me when I purchased that pistol and it's definitively a Model 29 Smith & Wesson . I came close a few times in selling that pistol to another close friend , the late Tom Friedkin .
     

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    I found out the one I was interested in was made during the time Remington owned Marlin (They call those 'Remlin')and that quality had dropped, so I decided to put off the purchase until Ifould either a JM stamped barrel or might save up for a new S&W model.
     
    FTX 225 Gr. is the answer . I run mine just short of 1500 Fps. with 25.2 Gr. IMR 4227 and it's killed whatever it's hit without excessive running or tracking . I prefer IMR 4227 for it's proven accuracy out of MY .44 . Yes Win 296 bumps velocity but lacks accuracy in MY weapon .

    I've used one better than 5 decades and always carry MY S&W 29 4" for protection while hunting Grizzly Country .
    I hunt with MY Ruger RedHawk 7.5" scoped .


    Between 1300fps and 1200fps it is important to use a bullet capable of very fast expansion when hunting medium sized game. While I understand that Elmer Keith was a great proponent of flat point bullets, all too often we ignore the fact that he went on to develop bullets with very deep hollow points. At higher velocities we can place some reliance on hydraulic force but as velocity falls away, bullet expansion helps to initiate mechanical wounding. In plain terms, the wider the expanded bullet, the faster the kill.


    Hunters concerned with speed of killing should consider 1300fps as the cut off point for disproportionate to caliber wounding using the .44 bore.

    I'll also add that I own one of the #5 Original Dirty Harry .44 Magnums ,which has Warner Bros. Property & # engraved on the Butt Strap ,it's 6" NOT 6.5 and came with Letter of authenticity when I purchased it in 1982 . The late John Bianchi aka Mr. Leather was with Me when I purchased that pistol and it's definitively a Model 29 Smith & Wesson . I came close a few times in selling that pistol to another close friend , the late Tom Friedkin .
    Nice score on the S&W, if you ever sell it you'll regret it.

    A question. I bought my Anaconda for a trip to Griz country. then after watching some videos I decided I wanted something with more slam so I bought a Beretta A300 Patrol, small and semi auto. I figured if I got caught in a charge I wouldnt have to worry about pumping it just point and pull the trigger even if he was right on top of me.. Seems a 12 gauge slug followed by 00 buckshot would be at least as damaging as a 240 grain 44 mag.

    Agree? Disagree?
    Your thoughts.
     
    I like the Hornady XTP for shooting critters, in both 44mag and 45Colt. I lean towards the 300g, but may not shoot well in slower twist rifles. A good friend of mine swears by the 240g XTP in his 44mag. Most any 240g should do well for practice, the Win 240g 44mag (white box) shot well in my sons Super Blackhawk before I gave him some of my hand loads.

    Mike
     
    Nice score on the S&W, if you ever sell it you'll regret it.

    A question. I bought my Anaconda for a trip to Griz country. then after watching some videos I decided I wanted something with more slam so I bought a Beretta A300 Patrol, small and semi auto. I figured if I got caught in a charge I wouldnt have to worry about pumping it just point and pull the trigger even if he was right on top of me.. Seems a 12 gauge slug followed by 00 buckshot would be at least as damaging as a 240 grain 44 mag.

    Agree? Disagree?
    Your thoughts.

    I've had a mutual understanding for more than #35 years with Clint Eastwood , IF I perish before he does ,the weapon returns to him ,otherwise it remains with Me . It's gonna be close as to who goes 1 St. !.

    A shotgun loaded with 00 buck or a slug is gonna out do a .44 within 100 yd. everyday of the week . Question is how convenient is hefting #2 long guns on a hunt ?. I prefer MY Rife , which ever one dependent upon the hunting and a side arm . Normally I take a
    High Capacity 9mm and first #2 are snake shot . In Grizzly territory I don't give a rats as about snakes .

    MY Motto is , one in the ground and if that doesn't deter an attack ,empty the cylinder until it's down . I actually had a Sow , dog Me for better than 5 hr. one day . Thankfully never closing more than 75 yd. ,she had cubs and stayed above Me on a ridge ascent traversing a mountain side .
     
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    Remember out of a n 18inch carbine a 240gr bullet will be hauling compared to even a 6 inch revolver. You dont need to go to a 200 gr bullet for speed in a rifle. I shoot 300gr XTP's out of my Browning model 92.
     
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    I've had a mutual understanding for more than #35 years with Clint Eastwood , IF I perish before he does ,the weapon returns to him ,otherwise it remains with Me . It's gonna be close as to who goes 1 St. !.

    A shotgun loaded with 00 buck or a slug is gonna out do a .44 within 100 yd. everyday of the week . Question is how convenient is hefting #2 long guns on a hunt ?. I prefer MY Rife , which ever one dependent upon the hunting and a side arm . Normally I take a
    High Capacity 9mm and first #2 are snake shot . In Grizzly territory I don't give a rats as about snakes .

    MY Motto is , one in the ground and if that doesn't deter an attack ,empty the cylinder until it's down . I actually had a Sow , dog Me for better than 5 hr. one day . Thankfully never closing more than 75 yd. ,she had cubs and stayed above Me on a ridge ascent traversing a mountain side .
    Incredible animals. I ran into a mother and cub up in the Mission's in Montana. Fortunately I was right by the car as I wasnt armed that day.
     
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    I'll also add that I own one of the #5 Original Dirty Harry .44 Magnums ,which has Warner Bros. Property & # engraved on the Butt Strap ,it's 6" NOT 6.5 and came with Letter of authenticity when I purchased it in 1982 . The late John Bianchi aka Mr. Leather was with Me when I purchased that pistol and it's definitively a Model 29 Smith & Wesson . I came close a few times in selling that pistol to another close friend , the late Tom Friedkin .
    Very cool score on your part!! I had always heard the original .44 for Dirty Harry was the ridiculous 8 3/8 barreled 29 for the camera affect of bigger looks smaller on film, but always thought that was BS as it didn't look anything like that length more like 6-6.5". If anyone knows you probably do........
     
    Very cool score on your part!! I had always heard the original .44 for Dirty Harry was the ridiculous 8 3/8 barreled 29 for the camera affect of bigger looks smaller on film, but always thought that was BS as it didn't look anything like that length more like 6-6.5". If anyone knows you probably do........

    As to MY understanding there were #5 MGM prop S&W model 29's produced for the Dirty Harry series ,as I spoke with the Hollywood firearms Guru connected to the studios . I found out about the " prop " becoming available for sale from our neighbor at the time , Marty ( Martin) Milner . I later purchased his Mercedes ,when they moved . I know where #3 are but don't know where all #5 went ??.
    It's funny because I could have purchased #2 that very day ,yet figured one was Good enough .

    Factual ; NO Model 57 .41 mag. was ever used in any Dirty Harry sequel ,as the West Coast S&W Rep supplied the studio with a Model 29 .
    Read below :



    This is the gun Dirty Harry should have used,” Milius told me at his home a few years ago, as he reached into his desk and pulled out a 4-inch barreled Model 29 with ivory stocks. Indeed, his Sept. 23, 1970, movie draft calls for exactly such a gun in nickel finish. But, as previously noted, Model 29s were in short supply at the time (due to lack of demand, not popularity, as is commonly believed) and there were no 4-inch models to be had. Consequently, according to S&W historian Roy Jinks, Kelly Lookabaugh, S&W’s West Coast Representative who had close ties with Hollywood, brought a 6½-inch blued model to the Warner Brothers studios. The gun had been assembled in the late 1960s by Archie Dubia, foreman of S&Ws hand-fitting department. Studios normally like to have at least one backup gun and preferably two, in case the primary gun gets damaged during filming. Thus, Milius lent, gave or brought (the details vary, depending on who you ask) two 6½-inch Model 29s to the studio. Later, he presented one of these guns to Clint Eastwood, who, last I heard, still has it. **

    ** According to Clint this isn't true as he had NO model 29 or didn't acknowledge it ,when I contacted him back in the late 90's and explained how I happened to have purchased it from the studio . He agreed there were #5 ,6.5" and a 4" along with that long barrel .
    He also told me the shoulder holster was sold with one of the Smiths .

    But a different version of the first “Dirty Harry” Model 29s is chronicled by the Internet Movie Firearms Database (IMFDB). According to it, when a 4-inch Model 29 proved unobtainable, Eastwood personally contacted S&W representative Bob Sauer, who in turn had Fred Miller (who originally had helped develop the production model of the .44 Magnum) at the factory assemble two guns, one with a 6½-inch barrel and the other with an 8 3/8" inch, from parts on hand. **

    ** I've Never seen that Model from Dirty Harry but believe in a couple of scene's it may very well have been used but NEVER holstered or carried . The Holster rig was made for a 6" and Clint's 6.5" rode high as a result of encapsulated rig ..
     
    Thanks for the history l was a big fan of the DH series! Always wanted an AutoMag 44 from Sudden Impact. I really think the DH saga set Clint’s career on fire even more than the spaghetti westerns did which were huge and classics also.
     
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    Way way way back I was once the proud owner of the Cisco Kid's side kick , Pancho aka Leo Carrillo 44/40 Colts including their holster .

    It was short lived however . Sadly they were stolen and I had to return them . Seems his Daughter's son was some sort of druggie and stole them from his Mom and then sold them too ME .
    As I knew the old Ranch house well in Carlsbad ,CA. and most all of the old original Spanish as well as Mexican land grants in SoCal back then . Such as the Rancho Zorro aka Rancho Santa Fe , and Rancho Guejito as I grew up around that area .