Soup can style rear bag, advice and impression.

RTTY · Dec 10, 2024

Hi, I'm looking for a rear bag to use during tactical shooting sessions.

I currently have a rabbit ear type rear bag, which doesn't seem very suitable for this type of shooting.
Honestly, I'm not comfortable position when the rifle takes on a pronounced inclination.

That's why I'm thinking of buying a soup can type or pad type rear bag.
Always use by wringing it out.

Do you have any advice on what to buy ready-made or perhaps, if possible, and how, make it at home?
I don't remember which section of the forum but if I remember correctly the user named Taylor had one built by him.

I'm looking for one can style from Tactical Evo.
Whe have on 3 measures, I look for the large, are this measure correct or ridondant?

Large Shooting BAG

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Thanks

stanley_white · Dec 10, 2024

I have found the soup style rear bag to be extremely limiting as it really only has two height options.

Once in a PRS match I ran out of rear bag, and the stage was very challenging due to this.

These days I use a Black Branch Shooting Sports Gheko II with Spexlite as a rear bag and it works well in all scenarios I have encountered.

https://blackbranchshootingsports.com/products/gecko-ii-barricade-bag

If I didn’t have that, I would use a full size game changer from Armageddon Gear.

https://armageddongear.com/product/game-changer-shooting-bag/

-Stan

hlee · Dec 10, 2024

I’m with Stanley on this. I have 2 “soup can” rear bags. A tall (about the size of a 12 oz drink can) and a short (just a bit taller than a can of condensed milk). The tall is tall enough for he to get comfortable behind a rifle in the prone, but just doesn’t feel terribly stable. The short is too short for the prone, but can work from a bench. Both are kinda “one trick ponies.”

To add to the game changer, I’ll add the fortune cookie from Wiebad, and recently I’ve really been liking my pint sized waxed canvas game changer.all 3 are much more flexible than the soup can style, more stable than that style as well, and they also work admirably as from bags when necessary.

spife7980 · Dec 10, 2024

I like my weibad tater tot or my pint sized game changer, both in heavy sand. Not sure about whats available in italy.
You can maneuver them to act like the soup can style, but then you can use them as a positional bag as well.

LR1845 · Dec 10, 2024

I have shot a lot of bags over the years and have settled on these 2 and are pretty much all I use...Micro mini is a fantastic rear bag, very adjustable and solid....and the Micro tater tot for props...both bags with heavy fill sand.

https://wiebadgear.com/product/micro-mini-fortune-cookie/

RTTY · Dec 10, 2024

Thanks yours suggestions!
I missed some details, I shoot prevalently from the bench; this next spring I make test to shoot prone.
I use the bipod, for now Harris bipod.

The two following links are from the most representative shop on Italy, the second not have a goog filling with me, or the contrary...

Cuscini Posteriori

Esplora la nostra selezione di accessori per tiro: cuscini posteriori per un supporto ottimale durante la pratica. Acquista online su Armeria Regina.

armeriaregina.it

Cuscini Anteriori e Posteriori – Accuracy Reloading

www.accuracyreloading.it

But if I not find the bag from your suggestion I can make the buy on the USA or in EU countries...

The bags of yours adveces can ussed with the "legs" upward like the Bun Ears style bag and updown like soup can style?

Thanks

CK1.0 · Dec 10, 2024

I like/use a Wiebad Mini Range Cube for my rear bag 90% of the time and it works great. It’s more like a big can of jalapeños than soup can sized but it’s a similar shape (cylinder).
If/when it’s not big enough I just stack it with a Cole-Tac plate bag or use my AG Plus One bag (my main positional bag) instead, but generally I don’t like sand-filled bags as a rear bag and think the Gamechanger-type shape can be a pain in the rear (literally) most times.

https://wiebadgear.com/product/mini-range-cube/?srsltid=AfmBOopCeGHJPjsDV52QaYQXEBnTw7uh24Xk9rFqx52hGEcZthXN-O3i

RTTY · Dec 10, 2024

CK1.0 said:
I like/use a Wiebad Mini Range Cube for my rear bag 90% of the time and it works great. It’s more like a big can of jalapeños than soup can sized but it’s a similar shape (cylinder).
If/when it’s not big enough I just stack it with a Cole-Tac plate bag or use my AG Plus One bag (my main positional bag) instead, but generally I don’t like sand-filled bags as a rear bag and think the Gamechanger-type shape can be a pain in the rear (literally) most times.

https://wiebadgear.com/product/mini-range-cube/?srsltid=AfmBOopCeGHJPjsDV52QaYQXEBnTw7uh24Xk9rFqx52hGEcZthXN-O3i

Thanks for the suggestion, expecially for the Cole-Tac brand, if I understand the selling come also from EU....

CK1.0 · Dec 10, 2024

RTTY said:
Thanks for the suggestion, expecially for the Cole-Tac brand, if I understand the selling come also from EU....

I'm pretty sure both Wiebad and Cole-Tac are available in the EU.

FWIW, the info on Wiebad's own site about the Mini Range Cube (and regular Range Cube) is wrong... the Mini Range Cube is 6"x4" and ~3lbs (while the regular Range Cube is a much larger/heavier 8"x6" and ~8lbs).

Also, the newer Cole-Tac flat bags are awesome. The older ones had straps that were too long, while the new ones have straps that are perfect for Gray Ops plates and they're about the same size/thing as the AG/Wiebad plate bags, just filled with poly beads (better than sand IMHO for tripod-rear stuff, which is what I mainly use it for, YMMV), and they're a few bucks cheaper than the others too.

DeathBeforeDismount · Dec 10, 2024

Just buy a plus one game changer and use it for everything. Take about 2 to 3 lbs of sand out of it and I kneed the shit out of it with otter wax. Save your money for ammo and range time learning to use it.

CK1.0 · Dec 10, 2024

DeathBeforeDismount said:
Just buy a plus one game changer and use it for everything. Take about 2 to 3 lbs of sand out of it and I kneed the shit out of it with otter wax. Save your money for ammo and range time learning to use it.

Some guys think sand-filled rear bags suck. (like myself, and apparently, Orgain and Buschman)

https://precisionrifleblog.com/2024/10/11/best-shooting-bags-what-the-pros-use/

DeathBeforeDismount · Dec 10, 2024

And there are tons of others who rock 1 bag including top pros. Starting out there is no reason to go specialized until the gear starts becoming a limiting factor...which I can promise you for guys not at the top of their respected shooting sports...won't be.

CK1.0 · Dec 10, 2024

Well, if one believes everything they already think, and isn't open to new/other ideas/perspectives, they won't get better, and it's a sure way for one to remain stuck in the mid-pack forever.

chevy_man · Dec 11, 2024

I use a weibad range cube most often from the bench. For pretty much anything else I find myself always grabbing the og gamechanger.

Gamechanger can be used as a cradle, on its side, upside down, or on end. Gives you a ton of options to fit the props, elevation, etc.

Being in Montana we have lots of elevation. So I find I need a wide range of height to shoot uphill or downhill depending on the venue. Gamechanger and ckye pod are really my only 2 required accessories to show up to any match.

RTTY · Dec 11, 2024

CK1.0 said:
I'm pretty sure both Wiebad and Cole-Tac are available in the EU.

FWIW, the info on Wiebad's own site about the Mini Range Cube (and regular Range Cube) is wrong... the Mini Range Cube is 6"x4" and ~3lbs (while the regular Range Cube is a much larger/heavier 8"x6" and ~8lbs).

Also, the newer Cole-Tac flat bags are awesome. The older ones had straps that were too long, while the new ones have straps that are perfect for Gray Ops plates and they're about the same size/thing as the AG/Wiebad plate bags, just filled with poly beads (better than sand IMHO for tripod-rear stuff, which is what I mainly use it for, YMMV), and they're a few bucks cheaper than the others too.

Hello, yes also Wiebad re avaiilable on the EU linke Cole-Tac.
But Cole-Tac sell directly from EU the major of the product, Wiebad sell trhu Brownells Italia, selle that have a redundand catalog but the most expensive respect all other sellers...

I don't use the bag for PRS, but only for the rear bag.

Please explain me what are the "poly beads"?

RTTY · Dec 11, 2024

chevy_man said:
I use a weibad range cube most often from the bench. For pretty much anything else I find myself always grabbing the og gamechanger.

Gamechanger can be used as a cradle, on its side, upside down, or on end. Gives you a ton of options to fit the props, elevation, etc.

Being in Montana we have lots of elevation. So I find I need a wide range of height to shoot uphill or downhill depending on the venue. Gamechanger and ckye pod are really my only 2 required accessories to show up to any match.

Hello I think my shooting location are pretty like yours...

LR1845 · Dec 11, 2024

CK1.0 said:
Well, if one believes everything they already think, and isn't open to new/other ideas/perspectives, they won't get better, and it's a sure way for one to remain stuck in the mid-pack forever.

Curious where you place in all the matches you shoot? And where do you fall in the pack over all?

jthor · Dec 11, 2024

I use a sand filled Shmedium for positional shooting and a spexlite filled OG Game Changer for a rear support.

I switched to 2 bags this season to help both save my positional bag in wear and tear and the larger OG bag is more adaptable to errors in my bipod height or just the variability that happens shooting in the Rocky Mountain region.

CK1.0 · Dec 11, 2024

LR1845 said:
Curious where you place in all the matches you shoot? And where do you fall in the pack over all?

So a few weeks back in another thread you wanted to know how many barrels I’ve burned up and how long I’ve been reloading, and now you want to know where I’m finishing in matches…

I’m starting to feel like you’re trying to stalk me lol.

Cascade Hemi · Dec 11, 2024

RTTY said:
Hi, I'm looking for a rear bag to use during tactical shooting sessions.

I currently have a rabbit ear type rear bag, which doesn't seem very suitable for this type of shooting.
Honestly, I'm not comfortable position when the rifle takes on a pronounced inclination.

That's why I'm thinking of buying a soup can type or pad type rear bag.
Always use by wringing it out.

Do you have any advice on what to buy ready-made or perhaps, if possible, and how, make it at home?
I don't remember which section of the forum but if I remember correctly the user named Taylor had one built by him.

I'm looking for one can style from Tactical Evo.
Whe have on 3 measures, I look for the large, are this measure correct or ridondant?

Large Shooting BAG

Optimal tool to stabilise shooting and safe insertion of a weapon.Practical shooting bags for accurate shooting at extremely long-range are produced...

www.tactical-evo.com

Thanks

Those work really well with 8mm airsoft poly fill. You'll probably end up with more than one type of rear bag, like holsters.

cas6969 · Dec 11, 2024

I don't shoot PRS. I bought a Cole-Tac a couple years ago now. At first I wasn't sure about it, wasn't sure I liked it, wasn't sure it was worth the money. After a while I realized I really like it, use it most of the time in one way or another and think the quality has turned out to be worth the cost.

Took a crappy snap shot the other day for someone and it happens to be in the photo. (Though the angle and the camera make it look larger than it is)

spife7980 · Dec 11, 2024

RTTY said:
Please explain me what are the "poly beads"?

Little plastic balls around 1-2mm in diameter instead of sand. Lighter weight/less dense than sand.

DeathBeforeDismount · Dec 11, 2024

jthor said:
I use a sand filled Shmedium for positional shooting and a spexlite filled OG Game Changer for a rear support.

I switched to 2 bags this season to help both save my positional bag in wear and tear and the larger OG bag is more adaptable to errors in my bipod height or just the variability that happens shooting in the Rocky Mountain region.

Have your tried the plus one? I find that shooting off rocks and natural props it gets the gun a bit higher and prevents mag pressure issues. Not as good for small portholes but overall i haven't encountered a prop yet where I need something bigger. My shmediums stay in the truck as backups now. I do carry one with poly fill in case I need a ton of rest bag for shooting downhill or really weird props but it hardly ever gets used.

DeathBeforeDismount · Dec 11, 2024

CK1.0 said:
So a few weeks back in another thread you wanted to know how many barrels I’ve burned up and how long I’ve been reloading, and now you want to know where I’m finishing in matches…

I’m starting to feel like you’re trying to stalk me lol.

Sounds like he is trying to qualify your statements and option based on your experience and skill. Someone who burns up a ton of barrels and places well is going to be listened to over someone who doesn't. Most likely wondering if your options are from years of real experience or if you are a novice who doesn't know what they don't know.

LR1845 · Dec 11, 2024

CK1.0 said:
So a few weeks back in another thread you wanted to know how many barrels I’ve burned up and how long I’ve been reloading, and now you want to know where I’m finishing in matches…

I’m starting to feel like you’re trying to stalk me lol.

No not at all....you do not impress me enough to stalk you but you do talk like an expert on reloading and shooting and post a lot on the subjects so I was just curious.

LR1845 · Dec 11, 2024

DeathBeforeDismount said:
Sounds like he is trying to qualify your statements and option based on your experience and skill. Someone who burns up a ton of barrels and places well is going to be listened to over someone who doesn't. Most likely wondering if your options are from years of real experience or if you are a novice who doesn't know what they don't know.

Exactly this.

jthor · Dec 11, 2024

DeathBeforeDismount said:
Have your tried the plus one? I find that shooting off rocks and natural props it gets the gun a bit higher and prevents mag pressure issues. Not as good for small portholes but overall i haven't encountered a prop yet where I need something bigger. My shmediums stay in the truck as backups now. I do carry one with poly fill in case I need a ton of rest bag for shooting downhill or really weird props but it hardly ever gets used.

I haven’t had the need to. If you hold the shmedium at the top and shake it to make sure the rear of the bag is fully packed with sand you won’t run into mag clearance issues. Same goes for a mini fortune cookie.

Only match where I have had to double stack bags was at Cameo and that was only one stage. Everyone did the same thing.

Moose · Dec 11, 2024

RTTY said:
Hi, I'm looking for a rear bag to use during tactical shooting sessions.

I currently have a rabbit ear type rear bag, which doesn't seem very suitable for this type of shooting.
Honestly, I'm not comfortable position when the rifle takes on a pronounced inclination.

That's why I'm thinking of buying a soup can type or pad type rear bag.
Always use by wringing it out.

Do you have any advice on what to buy ready-made or perhaps, if possible, and how, make it at home?
I don't remember which section of the forum but if I remember correctly the user named Taylor had one built by him.

I'm looking for one can style from Tactical Evo.
Whe have on 3 measures, I look for the large, are this measure correct or ridondant?

Large Shooting BAG

Optimal tool to stabilise shooting and safe insertion of a weapon.Practical shooting bags for accurate shooting at extremely long-range are produced...

www.tactical-evo.com

Thanks

Red Tac makes a very god one.

DeathBeforeDismount · Dec 11, 2024

jthor said:
I haven’t had the need to. If you hold the shmedium at the top and shake it to make sure the rear of the bag is fully packed with sand you won’t run into mag clearance issues. Same goes for a mini fortune cookie.

Only match where I have had to double stack bags was at Cameo and that was only one stage. Everyone did the same thing.

Do you shoot AICS or AW mags? I have found certain rock shapes where the smedium is just not high enough to clear a rock.

jthor · Dec 11, 2024

DeathBeforeDismount said:
Do you shoot AICS or AW mags? I have found certain rock shapes where the smedium is just not high enough to clear a rock.

AICS. I’ve tried the AW from gray ops thought and really like it.

CK1.0 · Dec 11, 2024

DeathBeforeDismount said:
Sounds like he is trying to qualify your statements and option based on your experience and skill. Someone who burns up a ton of barrels and places well is going to be listened to over someone who doesn't. Most likely wondering if your options are from years of real experience or if you are a novice who doesn't know what they don't know.

Well, I don’t have to qualify shit to anyone because there are a couple of well known pros who have won loads of matches that are on record as having the same opinion I do, and who came to the same conclusion I did, so it makes where I finish moot (and that precisionrifleblog.com article I linked earlier came out after I’d already arrived at my opinion, but it’s nice to know great minds think alike lol).

No one has to trust my qualified/unqualified opinion that sand-filled bags don’t make the greatest rear-bags for everyone, you can trust them if you want, or better yet, try it yourself before you dismiss it.

My point was that if one doesn’t try new/other ways to do things besides what they already know, then they can never be certain that the way they do it or what they’re used to is truly the best way to go and it will hold them back eventually (and they might miss a great opportunity to find something that might work better for them, and maybe pick up a few points they wouldn’t have otherwise).

carbonbased · Dec 13, 2024

RTTY said:
don't remember which section of the forum but if I remember correctly the user named Taylor had one built by him.

Marc Taylor (@Enough Said) makes the Answer, the shorter Compromise, and a taller bag that I’ve forgotten the name of.

I also shoot from a bench. In my case, basically exclusively, excepting some tripod shooting.

I found that the Compromise was the best height for me. I sit square to the bench and lean forward from the hips, as Frank teaches here. My chair, then, is a little higher than typical bench shooters.

Anyway, the Taylor bag is the best I’ve found. It’s packed very full of some special stuff so when squeezing there seems to be a bit less movement of the buttstock vs. others that I’ve tried.

Overview & technique

The Taylor was Here Rear Bag

Follow Sniper's Hide and pick up the latest information on all things precision rifle related. Sniper's Hide Training is for the serious tactical marksman.

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The "Taylor was Here" Rear Bag - Answer - Compromise - Grande' - SHIPPING DAILY

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RTTY · Dec 13, 2024

carbonbased said:
Marc Taylor (@Enough Said) makes the Answer, the shorter Compromise, and a taller bag that I’ve forgotten the name of.

I also shoot from a bench. In my case, basically exclusively, excepting some tripod shooting.

I found that the Compromise was the best height for me. I sit square to the bench and lean forward from the hips, as Frank teaches here. My chair, then, is a little higher than typical bench shooters.

Anyway, the Taylor bag is the best I’ve found. It’s packed very full of some special stuff so when squeezing there seems to be a bit less movement of the buttstock vs. others that I’ve tried.

Overview & technique

The Taylor was Here Rear Bag

Follow Sniper's Hide and pick up the latest information on all things precision rifle related. Sniper's Hide Training is for the serious tactical marksman.

www.snipershide.com

Pics of the different sizes and ordering info etc

The "Taylor was Here" Rear Bag - Answer - Compromise - Grande' - *SHIPPING DAILY*

I have a very unique take on your relationship with your rear bag and its relationship to your shooting. What for some is a total afterthought, given very little consideration beyond what is trending in the marketplace or is being promoted heavily by this shooter or that. My take comes from...

www.snipershide.com

Hello @carbonbased thanks for reply and the links.

Enough Said · Dec 14, 2024

carbonbased said:
Marc Taylor (@Enough Said) makes the Answer, the shorter Compromise, and a taller bag that I’ve forgotten the name of.

I also shoot from a bench. In my case, basically exclusively, excepting some tripod shooting.

I found that the Compromise was the best height for me. I sit square to the bench and lean forward from the hips, as Frank teaches here. My chair, then, is a little higher than typical bench shooters.

Anyway, the Taylor bag is the best I’ve found. It’s packed very full of some special stuff so when squeezing there seems to be a bit less movement of the buttstock vs. others that I’ve tried.

Overview & technique

The Taylor was Here Rear Bag

Follow Sniper's Hide and pick up the latest information on all things precision rifle related. Sniper's Hide Training is for the serious tactical marksman.

www.snipershide.com

Pics of the different sizes and ordering info etc

The "Taylor was Here" Rear Bag - Answer - Compromise - Grande' - *SHIPPING DAILY*

I have a very unique take on your relationship with your rear bag and its relationship to your shooting. What for some is a total afterthought, given very little consideration beyond what is trending in the marketplace or is being promoted heavily by this shooter or that. My take comes from...

www.snipershide.com

Thanks CB

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