Recon By Fire removed from PRS by Regional Directors

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Looks like Recon By Fire was removed (for what they state) is not moving a match that was on the same day as a match at another range 4 hours away, and asking that the PRS follow their own rules on voting for centerfire and rimfire regional match directors.


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It's kinda why I stopped shooting local matches for the most part. One, lack of availability within 1-1.5 hours. Two, I just can't commit to a whole day of missing family for a local match.

In recent years, I only do 2 day matches, maybe 5ish times a year. It's the only way to get the fix while maintaining sanity around the home.
 
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Have shot numerous matches at Recon by fire range, including centerfire and rimfire. It’s probably one of the nicest ranges in Oklahoma for rifle matches and he goes out of his way to put on a really good match. Hate to see this cause it will hurt him with the guys that are chasing points. I know there’s always two sides of a coin but it’ll really suck for the guys that are within two hours drive of this match.
 
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drglock said:
Have shot numerous matches at Recon by fire range, including centerfire and rimfire. It’s probably one of the nicest ranges in Oklahoma for rifle matches and he goes out of his way to put on a really good match. Hate to see this cause it will hurt him with the guys that are chasing points. I know there’s always two sides of a coin but it’ll really suck for the guys that are within two hours drive of this match.
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I'll 100% go down there for an outlaw match just to support him.

I have an *actual* job with other shit outside of PRS. It's not worth it to pay over 100 bucks to deal with a score tracking system that gives little benefits.
 
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Sounds like both are shitty matches drawing 28 and 15 shooters. Hell you need 25 just for the score to count without regional approval. Right smack dab in the middle of PRS land and they can't even get a decent turnout....meanwhile guys on the East and West drive 3-6 hours to shoot one days all year long.
 
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DeathBeforeDismount said:
Sounds like both are shitty matches drawing 28 and 15 shooters. Hell you need 25 just for the score to count without regional approval. Right smack dab in the middle of PRS land and they can't even get a decent turnout....meanwhile guys on the East and West drive 3-6 hours to shoot one days all year long.
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I shoot matches here in central Oklahoma and I’ve seen anywhere from 17-40ish shooters at one day matches with 20-30 being the norm. 🤷
 
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DeathBeforeDismount said:
Sounds like both are shitty matches drawing 28 and 15 shooters. Hell you need 25 just for the score to count without regional approval. Right smack dab in the middle of PRS land and they can't even get a decent turnout....meanwhile guys on the East and West drive 3-6 hours to shoot one days all year long.
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The one days I go to in the Midwest have 60 shooters almost every time st a minimum. Sometimes near 100.
 
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Well if the regional director was doing their job they would get all the MDs together and deconflict the matches. Not only is it better for the shooters so they can shoot as many matches, but it's better for the MDs so they can maximize shooter turnout. I don't have a problem with a regional telling someone those dates don't work...but it shouldn't be a conflict of interest been their own matches...that's just bad optics.. If 2 matches want the same date the higher turnout match should get priority. Or the match that has been running longer.
 
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DeathBeforeDismount said:
Well if the regional director was doing their job they would get all the MDs together and deconflict the matches. Not only is it better for the shooters so they can shoot as many matches, but it's better for the MDs so they can maximize shooter turnout. I don't have a problem with a regional telling someone those dates don't work...but it shouldn't be a conflict of interest been their own matches...that's just bad optics.. If 2 matches want the same date the higher turnout match should get priority. Or the match that has been running longer.
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Have you met JW?


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Sounds like you need to man up and do your own thing. I say good riddance to him and the prs bullshit. The problem i see with MD's and the prs is greed. I understand it's a business to run, but have a business mindset. Cut your profit margin a bit, don't try to make so much profit. Start giving some CASH$ payouts to the class winners. Say 25 percent of attendance goes to purse, is that really to much? 75 (average) shooters at 90 apiece, do the math. Your still making good for a 8 hour match. The shooters will come, and if you really want to ruffle some feathers have your matches the same weekend as theirs.
 
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I just looked at practiscore. Toggling for “long range rifle,” these are the results. Obviously, these are not all PRS, or even all centerfire, but…

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81 matches listed for Texas and 3 for Oklahoma. The problem is not “too many matches.” The problem is too few shooters.
 
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hlee said:
I just looked at practiscore. Toggling for “long range rifle,” these are the results. Obviously, these are not all PRS, or even all centerfire, but…

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81 matches listed for Texas and 3 for Oklahoma. The problem is not “too many matches.” The problem is too few shooters.
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Most of the Oklahoma matches aren't in Practiscore. Those that are often aren't preloaded till a few weeks in advance. Not that that isn't a problem...
 
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Entropicitis said:
It's because of the volume of matches in the area, which is part of PRS's point I think. If you live in OKC, you can shoot a 1 day match every weekend practically and never have to drive more than 3 hours.
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I remember when I first started, in 2012, we only had 10 or so matches for the whole year in the U.S. In 2013 I believe we had 15? with 3 of those being here in Oklahoma. It has come a long way from those days.
 
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hlee said:
I just looked at practiscore. Toggling for “long range rifle,” these are the results. Obviously, these are not all PRS, or even all centerfire, but…

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81 matches listed for Texas and 3 for Oklahoma. The problem is not “too many matches.” The problem is too few shooters.
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I wish FL had 43 PRS matches but we have zero 2 day and only a handful of one days. Thats sucks for the shooters in central FL. We have a metric shit ton of rifles and shooters in this state but not many are willing to drive 10 hours to North GA or North AL to chase points. The PRS has completely turned their back on the state of Florida. The participation is here maybe they don’t want our money?
 
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jhunter said:
I wish FL had 43 PRS matches but we have zero 2 day and only a handful of one days. Thats sucks for the shooters in central FL. We have a metric shit ton of rifles and shooters in this state but not many are willing to drive 10 hours to North GA or North AL to chase points. The PRS has completely turned their back on the state of Florida. The participation is here maybe they don’t want our money?
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Talk to your local MD's and range owners. PRS replies on you coming to them wanting to host. If there is truly that demand surely one of those people will step up and run a match. Gotta walk before you run. Same goes for matches. Have to have some one days before you get a 2 day
 
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Ken Wheeler is familiar with Altus. It’s one of the premier venues in the country. Also he has to be aware of the population in FL along with gun ownership within our state. I’m baffled that this market would not be targeted. We are here with money in our wallets whenever the PRS decides to cash in.
 
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jhunter said:
Ken Wheeler is familiar with Altus. It’s one of the premier venues in the country. Also he has to be aware of the population in FL along with gun ownership within our state. I’m baffled that this market would not be targeted. We are here with money in our wallets whenever the PRS decides to cash in.
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Again, the PRS does not create matches. Its up to the locals and MDs to create the matches then meet the requirements of PRS.

If people in FL including shooters and MD's wanted to have matches, they already would. So why not get off your ass, find a venue to host and run your own PRS matches.? Build a track record of successful 1 days and then you might be able to earn a 2 day.

Altus choose to leave the PRS. Call up and tell them you want more1 and 2 day matches. I am sure if enough people would show it would be worth them to host.
 
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jhunter said:
Ken Wheeler is familiar with Altus. It’s one of the premier venues in the country. Also he has to be aware of the population in FL along with gun ownership within our state. I’m baffled that this market would not be targeted. We are here with money in our wallets whenever the PRS decides to cash in.
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Altus is back hosting PRS events. I am in middle of GA and shoot PRS at Cool Acres, Clinton House, occasionally Alabama. However, Arena in SW GA (a potential commute for FL) is denied hosting PRS events. Existing clubs in SE Region are limited on how many PRS events can be hosted per season. I contacted PRS leaders and asked "why limiting clubs from hosting events" and response seemed to be 1) some established clubs were not getting enough competitors so limiting other clubs may push up support for lower performing venues and 2) PRS leaders want PRS competitors to travel more away from their "home" courses.

I enjoy PRS but PRS leaders focus too much on the top shooters and top sponsors. Not much focus on 90% of the PRS members.
 
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Lightning8 said:
Altus is back hosting PRS events. I am in middle of GA and shoot PRS at Cool Acres, Clinton House, occasionally Alabama. However, Arena in SW GA (a potential commute for FL) is denied hosting PRS events. Existing clubs in SE Region are limited on how many PRS events can be hosted per season. I contacted PRS leaders and asked "why limiting clubs from hosting events" and response seemed to be 1) some established clubs were not getting enough competitors so limiting other clubs may push up support for lower performing venues and 2) PRS leaders want PRS competitors to travel more away from their "home" courses.

I enjoy PRS but PRS leaders focus too much on the top shooters and top sponsors. Not much focus on 90% of the PRS members.
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They really need to redo the regional maps. They are so out of wack with shooter distribution. Canada also needs to be its own region.
 
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Deconfliction of matches isn’t anything new. Our local WyCo league does it, service rifle leagues, F Class and so on. Justin Watts Match has been around for quite a while. I feel like we are not getting the full story of what was said.

Our matches in WyCo average 40-80 people.
 
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Lightning8 said:
However, Arena in SW GA (a potential commute for FL) is denied hosting PRS events.
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That’s interesting.

So the series has decided not to allow Arena to host any PRS affiliated events?

Or there just hasn’t been anyone interested in running a match there since MPA moved to Cool Acres?

I’ve enjoyed the (PRS, NRL Hunter, & Guardian) matches I’ve attended at Arena. I would be nice to see a PRS pro series match there again someday.
 
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Tx_Aggie said:
That’s interesting.

So the series has decided not to allow Arena to host any PRS affiliated events?

Or there just hasn’t been anyone interested in running a match there since MPA moved to Cool Acres?

I’ve enjoyed the (PRS, NRL Hunter, & Guardian) matches I’ve attended at Arena. I would be nice to see a PRS pro series match there again someday.
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If I remember correctly, Arena had a falling out with Shannon Kay. Hence, they stopped hosting official PRS matches. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

Ken Wheeler is trying to expand PRS matches. The issue is there is only so many weekends in a year. And when multiple, large venue matches are within striking distance of each other, it becomes an issue.

Personally, I am stepping away from many national matches and will likely expand travel internationally since it's a common interest my family and I enjoy. This year (2025), it will be Canada and Europe.
 
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TriggerJerk! said:
On behalf of all SH boomers…. Get off my lawn!

Damn kids:)
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There really isn’t any drama in the PRS, unless you choose to stick your nose into it. Most of the people bitching about “the drama” are in no way involved in it. They aren’t relevant in any way. They simply want to gossip about it as if they are in the know in a way to appear more important than they are. 90% of shooters are oblivious to any drama that takes place in the PRS. They find a match, sign up, shoot it, and have a very good time……that’s the end of it.
 
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In a sense, this thread is like a train wreck-nobody wants to see one but you can't look away and want to know what happened, how and why, who screwed up, who's blaming who, who is the prick that is wrong but slithers away somehow, who cares, very entertaining in a way.
It's a great way to see how folks think and act. Heck, I guess I'm a dick for having fun reading it.:LOL:
 
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At least be a full fledged adult and included the MD you are trying to oust in the "unanimous" meeting PRS held that didn't include all of the regional MDs. Voting at that level should be public to the group managing the region. If you want the guy gone. Say/Vote to his face. Don't hide behind a secret meeting. As the organization gets larger and carries a wider spectrum of members this type of activity will not only be frowned upon but also illegal. This would fall into the category of Racketeering (A group of individuals that conspire and use deceptive practices and threats for profits). Having a private side meeting specifically aimed at removing a non present member from the group in order to increase power and profits among the remaining members. Roberts Rules exist for a reason.
 
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