In the greater cosmic scheme, they are doing something useful. They are summoning karma by voicing their displeasure.
Man shot with own gun during traffic stop
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In the greater cosmic scheme, they are doing something useful. They are summoning karma by voicing their displeasure.
Every state is different but I’m pretty sure a cop can disarm anyone he wants during a detention, even tho not criminal in nature.
Exactly. They never said he illegally owned the gun and they have not charged him with anything criminal. That makes it seem that any “reasonable suspicion” would be spurious at best, and reasonable suspicion of a crime or a threat to public safety is needed in order to detain, search, and take the gun
I was talking to Shanon Kay one day, and we were just gossiping about something silly. A guy walks up and asks him why he doesn't do pistol stages during matches, or combined rifle/pistol stages. He tells the story about when they had done exactly that. He said he was standing there talking to the whole group prior to a match, and a few minutes into the range briefing, with no warning, POP!..
Everybody looked around and finally the crowd parted and there's a guy standing there with his pants still smoking, blood running down his leg. They tell him that he needs to hand over his pistol now and lay down. He's in complete denial, "I didn't shoot myself, I'm fine". Said they had to talk to him for several minutes before he finally let them help him. He kept denying that he'd been shot. So he said no more of that.
You clearly aren't a lawyer. That answers that question. "Reasonable suspicion" is the worst thing that ever happened to individual autonomy. It covers fucking everything. There's nothing that can't be framed as reasonable suspicion..
I agree, reasonable suspicion is BS and is used by police to excuse a lot of rights violations. I was just saying that from what is known so far, they don’t even seem to meet their own BS standard of having reasonable suspicion.
Nice strawman arguement. That has literally nothing to do with the fragment of my statement you quoted when you attacked my assumptions. You sound like you work for CNN. Take a part of a statement out of context, declare it wrong by stating something totally unrelated to the subject. You can do better.
You are responsible for your actions. Arguing that someone "can do that" with ignoring whether they should do that absolves nothing. Speculation based on the hope of absolving someone of responsibility is nothing but gas lighting, and is worse when that gas lighting involves blaming the victim without any evidence other than your made up speculation.
Is your argument based on legality or morality?
It's morality. Morality has no legal precedent, so you should probably be more concerned about what's legal. You should make an effort to see immoral laws changed, in fact, it's your duty, but morality won't help you in a courtroom.
I agree that the cop was incompetent and this was an accident.
And the cop and city should be liable.
Juxtapose to where I live. I got a speeding ticket and handed my license, LTC, and insurance. The cop asked me where my weapon was. I replied on my left hip under the shirt. He said to not reach for it and I did not.
10 minutes and done, no holes in my leg. That is what should have happened here. But did not.
Yeah, DEI hire with no clue how to search and disarm a subject.
God for the life of me. How the hell do you get axe from ask. If folks understood that one mispronounced word makes you sound 25 IQ points lower.
White people have “irregardless”….
I had two young cops pull me over one evening in Bolivar TN. I was coming from the gym and they caught me running like 49 in a 45, so they had to stop me. This fat sack of shit climbs out of the drivers seat and his partner stands behind my truck looking through the bed for...whatever with his flashlight. He asked me for my license, reg., etc.. I told him that it was in my center console, and then when I opened that to get it, the first thing he would see would be my legal handgun. I had a concealed carry permit long before we adopted constitutional carry here. He said "I'm not worried about that, if you reach for it, my partner will kill you".
I blew up. I said "get the fuck back from my door, I'm getting out of this truck! I told him to back away from me so I could leave my vehicle. I said "I'm not opening that console so that you're fat ass can shoot me. I opened the door and I went and sat on the hood of his car. I said you get my wallet you fucking moron". He was embarrassed as hell. He knew he had fucked up. He apologized several times, but I was fuming. I told him to fuck himself 4 or 5 times. He looked at my license, apologized again, and got in his car and left.
But, I wasn't dumb enough to let them shoot me..
I blew up. I said "get the fuck back from my door, I'm getting out of this truck! I told him to back away from me so I could leave my vehicle. I said "I'm not opening that console so that you're fat ass can shoot me. I opened the door and I went and sat on the hood of his car. I said you get my wallet you fucking moron". He was embarrassed as hell. He knew he had fucked up. He apologized several times, but I was fuming. I told him to fuck himself 4 or 5 times. He looked at my license, apologized again, and got in his car and left.
But, I wasn't dumb enough to let them shoot me..
keep in mind, there is more than a couple former LEOs here speaking on this. right is right, wrong is wrong. save that "gray area" bullshit for bullshitting yourself. none of us are buying it.
as far as me viewing you in certain lights...i've done nothing but go off of what you have said here. so who is the asshole? you cry about me making assumptions. when you are the one making the statements that cause people to draw conclusions about you. you openly support a person in restraints getting beaten TO DEATH. not corrected, not subdued and tuned up......TO DEATH. and you're just ducky with that. Your words. so right there, i see you for what you are.
someday, it might be you. it might be your brother, mom, dad, child, or friend. at some point it will be. .gov doesn't get the benefit of a doubt from me anymore. they've proven they don't deserve it. time and again. as one said already....covid showed you everything you ever needed to know. and yet you persist.
Conflating “cop hating” and seeing policing as an area that is rife with abuse, DEI and outrageously poor training, is just intellectually dishonest.
It is our DUTY as AMERICAN CITIZENS to monitor and hold our public paid professional servants, accountable. And that’s what they are public servants. The work for us.
The very closest person in the world to me, my best friend, hunting buddy, on each others nfa trusts, etc. is a career cop. Over the years I have done more ride-alongs than I can remember, with him and others. I have trained along side LEO and taught firearms classes as a co- instructor along side LEO. I met my best friend in a class in 2007.
Make no mistake however I am a “law and order” civil libertarian. I believe the adage that without law and order you can’t have freedom. My friend and I, joke that he is Wyatt and me Doc. We have amazing debates about police work and more often than not, we find ourselves in agreement. I have learned from seeing his side and he learns from seeing mine. I will say, to me he is the model of the damn near perfect police officer.
I may criticize cops, but I also advocate for police.
- I believe that a lot of issues actually boil down to poor training and policy. (This story as well)
- I argue that cities should come to believe that investing in their police is cheaper than paying lawsuits
- I am firmly against DEI in policing
- I personally believe there should be two police per car.
If you think that you need a law degree for the very basic legal “opinion” that I’ve put forward, somethings wrong. I was born with a “reasonable” IQ, I’m almost 62 years old and I am able to read.
You don’t need to be a brain surgeon for what I put forward. These are not advanced legal theories, and yes you are free to rebut them with your own understanding of law. If I ever found myself in trouble, I would not try to use my rudimentary understanding of the law to defend myself. I would hire a professional..
Finally, this is a forum. People post and debate ideas. If you think it’s such a waste of time, why are you here?
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Thanks for that. I've handled more firearms than you will in 3 lifetimes, but sure man, live your fantasy..
See, you're a liar. I no longer care what you say. You've invalidated yourself completely now.
Where in the fuck did I say it was OK that someone was beaten to death?
You're a fucking idiot. I never thought or said such a thing. Those guards will go to prison for what they did, and they should. I wonder if you don't know the difference between sarcasm and reality, but you're so full of shit that I'm not going to waste a second teaching you.
How are we arguing then? I agree with everything you just said. I could have written your comment myself and it would accurately represent my feelings on policing in America. Your swinging at windmills too buddy.
Let's compare. How many years did you spend in combat arms shooting millions of rounds of government ammo for a fucking living?
Go ahead, I'll wait.
You’re arguing to defend your assumptions. I’m just here for the entertainment you provide.
Let me guess, you’ve seen more entertainment than I ever will.
Listen man, not only that, but I'm the best at being humble too. Nobody is more humble than me. I'm the fucking king of humility.
If you just wanna play games, I'm your guy. You aren't mentally equipped to challenge me, but if you want to keep this up, I stay ready.
I passed a DPS Trooper who had someone stopped on the shoulder of the road and couldn't move over into the inside lane because of other traffic.
It wasn't long before he caught up and pulled me over. He told me why, I told him why I couldn't change lanes and then proceeded to tell him, as a courtesy, that I had a 1911 in the truck with me. He immediately asked if it was loaded and I told him yes. He then went on to inform me the gun supposed to be unloaded and the ammunition is supposed to be kept in a seperate location.
I rubbed my face in my hands, really tired and disgusted, before looking at him and telling him it's legal to carry a loaded gun in your vehicle in Texas. He told me to hang tight and went back and talked to an older trooper parked in a second car behind him. After a brief discussion he came back with my DL and told me to have a nice day.
It’s the internet. I’ve shot gazillions more.
No idea how many rounds I’ve fired at uncle’s expense. Certainly not millions. Vast majority I’ve fired were at my expense training/competing. I guess that makes you the expert in law enforcement.
That highlights alot of the problem. We expect some 20 year old kid with 6 months of experience to understand a library filled with law books, and do it for $20 an hour. The system is way overdue for a complete overhaul.
Bullshit. If there were a trophy for humility, it would be on my mantle.
Law enforcement?
I know next to nothing. I keep learning more and more by listening to the legal scholars here, then when I look into what they've said, it's almost always wrong.
Stupidity and intent are now the standard for charges?
The guy that shot his friend, when asked to do so because he was wearing a vest, was charged. I'm pretty sure that meets your standards.
Bwaaaahahaha.
Are you trolling for gay sex with cops? Cuz it sure reads like you are
Are you suffering from a melatonin hangover or something? Eat a dick. Dumb motherfuckers like you think:
"You either agree with me the cops are the problem in every situation and they should all be killed, and if you don't agree, you're a bootlicker.".
I don't get mad when the girl in the sun dress on the idiot box tells me to. I'm fucking reasonable. Motherfuckers like you are in a cult of cop haters and I've gotten in here making logical statements and interrupted your cop hater blow bang. Everything I've said here about this situation is objective and logical, (aside from some obvious parody or satire), and you dumb motherfuckers are so extreme and up each other's asses, that you think anyone who doesn't join the dogpile is against you. I'm not even standing on the other side of this arguement, but since you can't fucking stand anyone who doesn't agree that all cops are bad, you have to manufacture an opponent. Well fuck it, I was born for this shit. Was that your A game, because if it was, you might want to back out now before I clown your ass..
I never read a library full of law books but had a loaded gun in my truck from the minute I could legally drive in high school and knew it was legal.
No excuse for a DPS Trooper to not know basic Texas laws.
While that's a true statement, you glossed right over my point.
He clearly didn't know, because he lacked training. Someone or something told you everything you've ever known in your life. Apparently, nobody taught that law to this particular kid. Your argument is the same as mine, he should have had better training. He's probably a good kid, and they set him up for failure by not giving him the knowledge neccessary to handle that situation..
So is that a yes to trolling for gay cop sex?
You should step away from the computer. The WWW seems to be a bit rough for you.
I stated a case that meets your standards for charging someone. Then you make a ridiculous statement of "It's the policy of every police office to disarm anyone in any activity where an illegal activity has occurred" and I laughed at that. Then questioned if that was your attempt to attract gay cop sex. I don't see that as grounds for the unhinged diatribe you responded with.
But please go ahead and "Clown my ass". This ought to be interesting. Just please don't ask me to meet you at a truck stop to settle it. With your gay tendencies I will pass on any proposals.
I don't know if he was a good kid or not. You infered I was expecting that he "understand a library filled with law books" when that wasn't the case. A basic understanding of Texas laws he paid to enforce would have suited me just fine.
He pulled me over for not moving into an inside lane on top of a blind hill and I would assume he will zealously pull many other motorists over. He should know here in Texas many people are legally armed. He should know the basic laws. It's not that complicated.
here is where you stated it.
who's the fucking idiot liar now? who is invalidated? you asked, and HERE is where you said it. geez dude.
there is something majorly wrong with you.
Hey cocksucker, you put what I said in quotes then took out the word that would easily make your statement the bullshit that it is. You aren't very smart, and you have zero integrity, so be gone you petty little bitch.So is that a yes to trolling for gay cop sex?
You should step away from the computer. The WWW seems to be a bit rough for you.
I stated a case that meets your standards for charging someone. Then you make a ridiculous statement of "It's the policy of every police office to disarm anyone in any activity where an illegal activity has occurred" and I laughed at that. Then questioned if that was your attempt to attract gay cop sex. I don't see that as grounds for the unhinged diatribe you responded with.
But please go ahead and "Clown my ass". This ought to be interesting. Just please don't ask me to meet you at a truck stop to settle it. With your gay tendencies I will pass on any proposals.
I inferred nothing about what you said or thought. You're reaching. You want someone to argue with.
All I did was point out that it is another clear example of their lack of training..
See, go read the quotes again and tell me where I said I was OK with someone being beaten to death.
I didn't, you fucking nearly illiterate moron.
If what i said isn't clear enough for you, what I said was that this is that roughing up these dudes is their only defense to prevent staff assaults. I even explained it like 3 seperate times using small enough words for a dipshit like you to understand, or so I thought.
I'm not OK with someone being beaten to death by cops or prison guards, and I never said I was. The only thing you proved with your quotes is that you have the reading comprehension of a fucking third grader..
do yourself a favor and put the clown on ignore , i did after he started posting his private gay porn last month
"...This is justice, whether you have the stomach for it or not." and then "....The mistake those boys made was by leaving the cameras rolling. You should be thanking them for taking out the trash."
my comprehension is just fine. yours on the other hand? you want it both ways. you want to say these things, then claim you didn't say them.
you're a real piece of work. your words, not mine. i took out the other words, because i think that in those paragraphs you were stringing together, you were missing these two statements above.
and, now the name calling and the chest pounding has started. have you done concrete? trained in the pheonix eye? how many bow kills you have? at this point, you are that ridiculous.
my comprehension is just fine. yours on the other hand? you want it both ways. you want to say these things, then claim you didn't say them.
you're a real piece of work. your words, not mine. i took out the other words, because i think that in those paragraphs you were stringing together, you were missing these two statements above.
and, now the name calling and the chest pounding has started. have you done concrete? trained in the pheonix eye? how many bow kills you have? at this point, you are that ridiculous.
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Taking pieces of my statements out of context. You're just like the other fucking idiot, no integrity. You can't win an arguement with facts so your go to is MSM deceit. You have no character. You are a sad example of a man.
out of context? you're out of your mind.
your cheese has done slid out of your cracker.
your cheese has done slid out of your cracker.
In Ohio a barber has to put in more training hours than a police officer. Oops bad haircut, it will grow back in 2 weeks. Oops I shot you maybe you will live.
seems a few typing here never got over the 5 tickets they got in their mommies 25 year old honda lol
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