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I am looking for a field of assholes so that my appearance blends in. My natural camoflauge.For a “shooting course,” I supposed not. Observer/Sniper courses normally contain some type of concealment/stalking exercise and the students generally wear functional clothing in colors appropriate to the environment. Common sense stuff…
Occasionally, a few students will show up in ass-less chaps, but it’s not common. I guess the rest of the students aren’t that confident.
I am looking for a field of assholes so that my appearance blends in. My natural camoflauge.
Damn it, now I reminded myself of this line -
"Say something nice."
"You got a face like a hatful of assholes."
(bonus points for naming the actor and the movie.)
Just what the fuck did you do in "marketing"? Never mind, you would have to kill me after you told me. Please don't shot my cat either!I shot a TRG-22 my whole time on duty...
Didn't cost near $12,000! But it wasn't cheap either given 2007 dollars. It also hit exactly where it was supposed to, every single time.
So... what's the problem? It's a superb rifle for the job.
Oh and Chris Kyle and military snipers aren't looking to make cold bore medulla shots every single time. Military snipers (with the exception of hostage-rescue-type folks) differ from police Marksmen because a wound is still a mission kill. A torso shot where they bleed out is still a good shot. A wound lets you nail the guys coming to rescue their buddy. Head shots are generally not taken. Center mass shots are just fine. And at ELR ranges, a lot of the training is for anti-materiel.
.Mil guys are incredible at what they do. And shoot at ranges police would never, ever take a shot at. And their training (and AO) is way more strenuous and dangerous. War zones are not US urban areas where you are safe and backed up.
But the mission for police is a single cold-bore shot that is 100 percent on target and is a stopper. So the rifles, training and other objectives are different.
The TRG delivers on first-shot cold bore. So do a bunch of others... TacOps, AI... lots of others. So I'd not quibble with the choice. As someone said above, if it was your mother with a pistol at her head.... you want someone with a Savage and a Tasco?
Cheers,
Sirhr
Just what the fuck did you do in "marketing"? Never mind, you would have to kill me after you told me. Please don't shot my cat either!
Can I answer based on my mother-in-law?As someone said above, if it was your mother with a pistol at her head.... you want someone with a Savage and a Tasco?
Dissecting some of the Hathcock stories makes people more uncomfortable. The rifle whose scope he shot through conveniently disappeared from the armory. There are other stories he told that are almost or entirely unsupported by evidence.And people have given heat when someone suggests that Hathcock could not have made the scope shot.
Don't forget it was during a sandstorm also!Maybe he did shoot another sniper on a roof but was it really that far away and through the scope?
I served with a dude just like that. We were in a bar, he was telling a story to some random about the previous deployment. I was standing next to him overseas, and I barely recognized the story he told.He was not a fraud at all. He was a fabulist. I’ve known and been friends with many. They never seems to think the truth is fantastic enough even when it’s amazing. Plenty of narcissistic personalities and early onset mental disorders at the tip of the spear. Nothing to worry about. It makes most of them good at their jobs…
Your cat would always be safe with SirH.Just what the fuck did you do in "marketing"? Never mind, you would have to kill me after you told me. Please don't shot my cat either!
Is there nothing between $12k and a savage/tasco? Why are we pretending that RPR or Tikka TAC or a $3k Horizon custom with a .5 MOA guarantee doesn't exist? The most expensive of those is 75% less expensive than what they have.As someone said above, if it was your mother with a pistol at her head.... you want someone with a Savage and a Tasco?
I shot a TRG-22 my whole time on duty...
Didn't cost near $12,000! But it wasn't cheap either given 2007 dollars. It also hit exactly where it was supposed to, every single time.
So... what's the problem? It's a superb rifle for the job.
Oh and Chris Kyle and military snipers aren't looking to make cold bore medulla shots every single time. Military snipers (with the exception of hostage-rescue-type folks) differ from police Marksmen because a wound is still a mission kill. A torso shot where they bleed out is still a good shot. A wound lets you nail the guys coming to rescue their buddy. Head shots are generally not taken. Center mass shots are just fine. And at ELR ranges, a lot of the training is for anti-materiel.
.Mil guys are incredible at what they do. And shoot at ranges police would never, ever take a shot at. And their training (and AO) is way more strenuous and dangerous. War zones are not US urban areas where you are safe and backed up.
But the mission for police is a single cold-bore shot that is 100 percent on target and is a stopper. So the rifles, training and other objectives are different.
The TRG delivers on first-shot cold bore. So do a bunch of others... TacOps, AI... lots of others. So I'd not quibble with the choice. As someone said above, if it was your mother with a pistol at her head.... you want someone with a Savage and a Tasco?
Cheers,
Sirhr
Haha! Thanks! I at least know that me and my budget rifle with NF atacr 5-25 could outshoot probably 90% of the police snipers in the country.A $2000 rifle is a piece of shit.
I can’t speak about police snipers much but the only one I’ve known is renowned in his department for a 150 yard headshot on a guy that was armed and fixing to ambush the deputies that were coming to arrest him. I’m sure the 150 yards was difficult… or not since at least 5 guys in this thread could make the same shot. I’ve trained with/around a lot of LEO. Some of them are actually good, but some are just pathetic with any sort of firearm. Having a badge and title doesn’t make one a good shooter. Also, believe it or not, having free ammo doesn’t make an officer want to go out and shoot. Now to be fair, they have a busy schedule running patrol, serving papers, stopping by the local Dunkin’ Donuts, and arresting confused old army veterans, so maybe it’s hard to find time to shoot all that free ammoThis is a great post. I was too mushy and selfish to serve, so I'm one of those people who don't get to see inside the world of the military very often. I would have assumed snipers trained like crazy.
I wonder how similar your experience and a police sniper's would be. I would guess they're not as busy and could spend more time shooting free ammo. Guess is all I can do, though.
Haha! Thanks! I at least know that me and my budget rifle with NF atacr 5-25 could outshoot probably 90% of the police snipers in the country.
It’s funny that you don’t recognize that it’s people like you that ruin forums. Filling it up with every random bullshit thought that pops into your feeble mind.People like you ruin forums. You're snotty to others for no reason. You also have no idea what "whine" means. You wasted everyone's time with an unnecessary, stupid, incorrect, off-topic remark that contributed nothing at all to an interesting thread.
You should never have come out of your hole.
A good deal of interesting information was provided by other people, along with some pleasant conversation. Go back, read, and learn.
Now I have to check and see if this forum has an "ignore" feature so you don't keep smelling up threads for me.
Mine wouldnt fit .....
How about beating up Jesse The Body in front of 100+ seals that never happened? I’ve said it before, I liked Kyle, I don’t like Ventura. I believe Ventura; not Kyle. I mean, most of his tales can’t be confirmed or denied and aren’t demonstrably false with dozens of witnesses like that one.I'm not sure where the line is but to me making up the Super Dome thing and making up shooting two guys at a gas station is more in the fraud category. I'm sure he exaggerated a lot of real events as well so maybe he was both at once.
I may have mandela effected myself. I could have sworn it was Emilio Estevez in "Young Guns" or one of the sequels and now I cannot remember so well and I cannot find it online.I don’t know that one…
This one is a favorite of mine, from the movie Gleaming the Cube:
“If I had a dog with a face like yours, I’d shave his ass and teach him to walk backwards.”
Woody Harrelson: The cowboy way.I am looking for a field of assholes so that my appearance blends in. My natural camoflauge.
Damn it, now I reminded myself of this line -
"Say something nice."
"You got a face like a hatful of assholes."
(bonus points for naming the actor and the movie.)
You are right and I was way, way off.Woody Harrelson: The cowboy way.
I have done something similar. A co-worker taught me the phrase, Tu Madre mama Berga por gratis.Yep, I've seen that movie many times. I may have used that line before.
Sounds about right with the trigger pull. Was in the NYPD for 20 years. 15 years in the 46 pct in the Bronx. We were one square mile and we had like 95 Homicides. To go along with 2500 Robberies. After 9/11 was selected to the Joint Terrorist Task Force. 5 years there then pulled the plug. Had an awesome career. Before I rudely rambled on, they changed our Glock 19 triggers to some ungodly trigger pulls. I heard between 11-15 lbs.Okay the inside scoop is, Sako got the contract because they were the only one who could meet the 12 pound trigger pull requirement.![]()