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NYPD New Year's Rifle

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For a “shooting course,” I supposed not. Observer/Sniper courses normally contain some type of concealment/stalking exercise and the students generally wear functional clothing in colors appropriate to the environment. Common sense stuff…

Occasionally, a few students will show up in ass-less chaps, but it’s not common. I guess the rest of the students aren’t that confident.
I am looking for a field of assholes so that my appearance blends in. My natural camoflauge.

Damn it, now I reminded myself of this line -

"Say something nice."

"You got a face like a hatful of assholes."

(bonus points for naming the actor and the movie.)
 
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I am looking for a field of assholes so that my appearance blends in. My natural camoflauge.

Damn it, now I reminded myself of this line -

"Say something nice."

"You got a face like a hatful of assholes."

(bonus points for naming the actor and the movie.)

I don’t know that one…
This one is a favorite of mine, from the movie Gleaming the Cube:

“If I had a dog with a face like yours, I’d shave his ass and teach him to walk backwards.”
 
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I shot a TRG-22 my whole time on duty...

Didn't cost near $12,000! But it wasn't cheap either given 2007 dollars. It also hit exactly where it was supposed to, every single time.

So... what's the problem? It's a superb rifle for the job.

Oh and Chris Kyle and military snipers aren't looking to make cold bore medulla shots every single time. Military snipers (with the exception of hostage-rescue-type folks) differ from police Marksmen because a wound is still a mission kill. A torso shot where they bleed out is still a good shot. A wound lets you nail the guys coming to rescue their buddy. Head shots are generally not taken. Center mass shots are just fine. And at ELR ranges, a lot of the training is for anti-materiel.

.Mil guys are incredible at what they do. And shoot at ranges police would never, ever take a shot at. And their training (and AO) is way more strenuous and dangerous. War zones are not US urban areas where you are safe and backed up.

But the mission for police is a single cold-bore shot that is 100 percent on target and is a stopper. So the rifles, training and other objectives are different.

The TRG delivers on first-shot cold bore. So do a bunch of others... TacOps, AI... lots of others. So I'd not quibble with the choice. As someone said above, if it was your mother with a pistol at her head.... you want someone with a Savage and a Tasco?

Cheers,

Sirhr
Just what the fuck did you do in "marketing"? Never mind, you would have to kill me after you told me. Please don't shot my cat either!
 
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And people have given heat when someone suggests that Hathcock could not have made the scope shot.
Dissecting some of the Hathcock stories makes people more uncomfortable. The rifle whose scope he shot through conveniently disappeared from the armory. There are other stories he told that are almost or entirely unsupported by evidence.

1. There appears to be no evidence the "Apache Woman" ever existed.
2. It seems he grossly exaggerated the $10,000-30,000 bounty on himself, if one even existed apart from a standard $8 bounty for all US snipers.
3. Also no evidence for the Elephant Valley multi-day battle he talks about.
4. As far as I've seen there's zero evidence of his mission to assassinate that PAVN general either
- We don't know when it happened, not even a year.
- We don't know where it happened
- We don't know the general's name or identity
- Literally no one is able to corroborate the account because the only person he told at the time was Burke who died in 1967
- No archival records of it from the US military
- There is seemingly no contemporary mention of it prior to the biographies written about him in the 1980s

I went back to re-read Marine Sniper this past year and had to stop after a few chapters. It reads like a historical fanfiction and I just never noticed when I read it as a kid.
 
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He was not a fraud at all. He was a fabulist. I’ve known and been friends with many. They never seems to think the truth is fantastic enough even when it’s amazing. Plenty of narcissistic personalities and early onset mental disorders at the tip of the spear. Nothing to worry about. It makes most of them good at their jobs…
I served with a dude just like that. We were in a bar, he was telling a story to some random about the previous deployment. I was standing next to him overseas, and I barely recognized the story he told.
 
As someone said above, if it was your mother with a pistol at her head.... you want someone with a Savage and a Tasco?
Is there nothing between $12k and a savage/tasco? Why are we pretending that RPR or Tikka TAC or a $3k Horizon custom with a .5 MOA guarantee doesn't exist? The most expensive of those is 75% less expensive than what they have.
 
I shot a TRG-22 my whole time on duty...

Didn't cost near $12,000! But it wasn't cheap either given 2007 dollars. It also hit exactly where it was supposed to, every single time.

So... what's the problem? It's a superb rifle for the job.

Oh and Chris Kyle and military snipers aren't looking to make cold bore medulla shots every single time. Military snipers (with the exception of hostage-rescue-type folks) differ from police Marksmen because a wound is still a mission kill. A torso shot where they bleed out is still a good shot. A wound lets you nail the guys coming to rescue their buddy. Head shots are generally not taken. Center mass shots are just fine. And at ELR ranges, a lot of the training is for anti-materiel.

.Mil guys are incredible at what they do. And shoot at ranges police would never, ever take a shot at. And their training (and AO) is way more strenuous and dangerous. War zones are not US urban areas where you are safe and backed up.

But the mission for police is a single cold-bore shot that is 100 percent on target and is a stopper. So the rifles, training and other objectives are different.

The TRG delivers on first-shot cold bore. So do a bunch of others... TacOps, AI... lots of others. So I'd not quibble with the choice. As someone said above, if it was your mother with a pistol at her head.... you want someone with a Savage and a Tasco?

Cheers,

Sirhr
 
This is a great post. I was too mushy and selfish to serve, so I'm one of those people who don't get to see inside the world of the military very often. I would have assumed snipers trained like crazy.

I wonder how similar your experience and a police sniper's would be. I would guess they're not as busy and could spend more time shooting free ammo. Guess is all I can do, though.
I can’t speak about police snipers much but the only one I’ve known is renowned in his department for a 150 yard headshot on a guy that was armed and fixing to ambush the deputies that were coming to arrest him. I’m sure the 150 yards was difficult… or not since at least 5 guys in this thread could make the same shot. I’ve trained with/around a lot of LEO. Some of them are actually good, but some are just pathetic with any sort of firearm. Having a badge and title doesn’t make one a good shooter. Also, believe it or not, having free ammo doesn’t make an officer want to go out and shoot. Now to be fair, they have a busy schedule running patrol, serving papers, stopping by the local Dunkin’ Donuts, and arresting confused old army veterans, so maybe it’s hard to find time to shoot all that free ammo
 
People like you ruin forums. You're snotty to others for no reason. You also have no idea what "whine" means. You wasted everyone's time with an unnecessary, stupid, incorrect, off-topic remark that contributed nothing at all to an interesting thread.

You should never have come out of your hole.

A good deal of interesting information was provided by other people, along with some pleasant conversation. Go back, read, and learn.

Now I have to check and see if this forum has an "ignore" feature so you don't keep smelling up threads for me.
It’s funny that you don’t recognize that it’s people like you that ruin forums. Filling it up with every random bullshit thought that pops into your feeble mind.
 
I'm not sure where the line is but to me making up the Super Dome thing and making up shooting two guys at a gas station is more in the fraud category. I'm sure he exaggerated a lot of real events as well so maybe he was both at once.
How about beating up Jesse The Body in front of 100+ seals that never happened? I’ve said it before, I liked Kyle, I don’t like Ventura. I believe Ventura; not Kyle. I mean, most of his tales can’t be confirmed or denied and aren’t demonstrably false with dozens of witnesses like that one.

He was the real deal and a compulsive fabulist/liar.

One of my very familiar acquaintances (I won’t call him a friend because I don’t trust him) has a Silver Star and two bronze for valor he got in both Iraq and Afg. Dude is a kleptomaniac. Steals everything that isn’t nailed down like it’s nothing. He used to go on leave, steal a car in VA Beach, drive to Boston, ditch the car, spend time with his family, steal a car there, drive back to VA Beach, ditch that car, and go back on duty. You couldn’t walk into a retail store with him because he’s stuffing his pockets. This is not to even mention the stuff he stole from Uncle Stupid. It was insane.

Is he heroic? Yes. Is he fucked up in the head? Undoubtedly, but he’s very intelligent and managed to make retirement without getting caught. Nobody had that on their bingo card. I have to believe it will catch up to him someday, but so far he has gotten away with everything, and saved a bunch of his buddies lives for sure.

All fall short in one way or another.
 
I don’t know that one…
This one is a favorite of mine, from the movie Gleaming the Cube:

“If I had a dog with a face like yours, I’d shave his ass and teach him to walk backwards.”
I may have mandela effected myself. I could have sworn it was Emilio Estevez in "Young Guns" or one of the sequels and now I cannot remember so well and I cannot find it online.

In "Young Guns (I can't remember if 1, 2, or 3) he said "You've got a face like a hatful of assholes."
 
I am looking for a field of assholes so that my appearance blends in. My natural camoflauge.

Damn it, now I reminded myself of this line -

"Say something nice."

"You got a face like a hatful of assholes."

(bonus points for naming the actor and the movie.)
Woody Harrelson: The cowboy way.
 
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Yep, I've seen that movie many times. I may have used that line before.
I have done something similar. A co-worker taught me the phrase, Tu Madre mama Berga por gratis.

So, I asked a mexican guy which is the worse insult. Mama or por gratis. He said por gratis.

And so I earned my call sign, Senor Pendejo.
 
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Okay the inside scoop is, Sako got the contract because they were the only one who could meet the 12 pound trigger pull requirement. ;)
Sounds about right with the trigger pull. Was in the NYPD for 20 years. 15 years in the 46 pct in the Bronx. We were one square mile and we had like 95 Homicides. To go along with 2500 Robberies. After 9/11 was selected to the Joint Terrorist Task Force. 5 years there then pulled the plug. Had an awesome career. Before I rudely rambled on, they changed our Glock 19 triggers to some ungodly trigger pulls. I heard between 11-15 lbs.