Spotting scope recommendation; Vortex or Kowa?

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I can do the Vortex HD 20-60x85 at the $1000 price point or I can slightly overspend and put a Kowa TSN-66 @ $2200 on a credit card.. The TSN88 for ~$3600 is out of the question for me dollar wise.

Will be using in a 2 day 400 yard class where it is required to have one, and I do benchrest 50 and 100 yard frequently with a 22lr competitions at my local club. No 600+ yard usage, but I'd like to graduate to that in the next few years with a 6.5 build..
 
I can tell you that compared to other medium level products from Vortex/Burris/etc, the Kowa Prominar glass is absolutely incredible. I have also been thinking of getting a TSN Prominar spotter as I have a pair of Genesis XD44 10.5x44 binos with the same Prominar glass that are really, really good.

If you are thinking long term and not planning to switch I don't think you would be sorry getting the Kowas.
 
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Kowa all the way. I’ve moved all my Swaro spotters to Kowa with exception for the little STC/ATC. I prefer that to the Kowa still. I’m so pleased with the glass I’ll be moving my 88S to step down to the 66S for weight savings. I don’t feel I’m giving anything up until the last 90 seconds or so.
 
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Went through this last fall. Wind knocked over my bogen tripod mounted minox EFR 21-42x 60mm spotter straight into the concrete. I got it for a decent deal a dozen years prior so I got great usage out of it, wasn’t happy but not heartbroken over its loss either .

Shopping around for a tripod, wound up using lowlights 25% (hide25, IIRC) promo code at Leofoto for a 40mm tripod and panning head setup. Way more stable in the wind than the bogen and much lighter. Huge improvement on the tripod setup.

For a new spotter, I am kind of spoiled as the silhouette group I shoot with has a lot of varied spotters in all price ranges. I get to look through Leupold (old and new), kowa, swarvski, maven, vortex, alpen, burris and athlon. This is for both smallbore (46-109 yards) and high power (200-500 meters).

So what is interesting is that after comparing all these spotters for a couple months, what mattered most to me was eye fatigue over time. We spend a lot of time spotting other relays shots for feedback and then shooting your own rifle. Thats a lot of time behind glass. The swarvski and kowa were tops for image quality ,but they suffered eye fatigue fatigue the same as the rest of the crowd. And to be honest, even though they had top image quality, the other brands really weren’t far behind (except the barska , that one’s IQ hurt to look through). ALMOST ALL OF THESE SCOPES HAD THE SAME PROBLEM FOR ME, small eye relief in the 9-13mm range with a tiny little eyebox. I had to have my eye almost touching the lens it seemed like. However, one of the kowa’s had a fixed 27x power long eye relief lens (LER) installed. That is the one I liked using the most. Didn’t have to have my eye jammed into the lens for a picture.

Also, talking to the various owners on their likes and dislikes was also interesting. The leupold and vortex guys were the least concerned about accidents taking out their equipment because of the manufacturers warranty. The kowa and swarvski guys had this as one of their bigger concerns. The kowa guys also griped that there was no support for their older scope lines from kowa and getting parts was iffy.

So, with all this in mind, I wound up getting a 2nd generation vortex razor 65mm spotting scope. It had available an option most of the others didn’t—— having a LER lens available for purchase as an additional accessory. The wide angle eyepiece LER is a fixed power 18x or 22x (depending if you stick it on the 65mm or 85mm scope) but gives a whopping 31mm of eye relief and a larger FOV. My eyelashes no longer hit the lens when looking through the scope and its a huge forgiving eyebox. Another plus is it is supposedly japanese glass, unlike the 1st gen chinese glass.

That spotting scope has become a favorite at the silo matches. Everyone says the swavarski is a little tiny bit better IQ, but would rather look through the vortex for ease of use. The other most noted opinion is that everyone would rather have the wider FOV than higher magnification, so the vortex fixed 18x razor has been a winner. One of the kowa guys is impressed enough by it that he says that is the way he is going for his next spotter.

Between the LER lens, image quality, manufacturer warranty support and the price, the vortex razor is my choice. It’s nice not worrying about equipment getting broken. I don’t abuse my scope, but it is nice knowing vortex will support it. I had a pair of vortex viper 10x50 binoculars (I got for a steal in 2008) break the right focus ring. Sent it in to vortex and they said it was to old to fix, here is a brand new pair of the current model instead. Can’t beat that for customer support.
 
I can do the Vortex HD 20-60x85 at the $1000 price point or I can slightly overspend and put a Kowa TSN-66 @ $2200 on a credit card.. The TSN88 for ~$3600 is out of the question for me dollar wise.

Will be using in a 2 day 400 yard class where it is required to have one, and I do benchrest 50 and 100 yard frequently with a 22lr competitions at my local club. No 600+ yard usage, but I'd like to graduate to that in the next few years with a 6.5 build..
If by that you mean the older razor, right? Not the viper.
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If so its usually attainable more around 800 plus tax. I was given a straight (vs angled as pictured) version a few years ago and I think its a pretty great scope, I prefer it over many ive looked through on the line. You do have to have your eye pretty close up to it for a full sight picture though, but as a full time glasses wearer its not that big of a deal. For nothing out past 600 yards I dont think you would notice a tangible difference over more expensive glass.

The Kowa tsn-66 for 2200 dont have an eye piece with them that I can tell, with eye piece its more like 3k.
 
The kowa guys also griped that there was no support for their older scope lines from kowa and getting parts was iffy.
That is factor. I have an older TSN 663 Prominar that needed service after getting banged around one too many times. It was a couple hundred bucks to align the lenses inside. On a side note the older TSN663 bodies are available on Ebay for $3-400.


I had to have my eye almost touching the lens it seemed like. However, one of the kowa’s had a fixed 27x power long eye relief lens (LER) installed. That is the one I liked using the most. Didn’t have to have my eye jammed into the lens for a picture.
I also use the LER and it makes a huge difference in use and reducing eye fatigue.
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Dunno....Kowa doesn't make reticle eyepieces and frankly...even though I'm not a competitor at 72 y.o....I like having a reticle to measure with out there. Just saying...