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Donald Trump SLAMS Sermon, After Bishop Pleads For Immigrants, Transgender Rights
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Paul had quite a bit to say about "pastors" like this. Many of the letters warn of charlatans who venerate sin and tickle your ears with what they think you want to hear.
She is exactly why the Bible clearly says in 1 Timothy 2:11& 12
11 A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man;[she must be quiet
Honestly just looking at her you kind of figured that’s how it was going to go, I mean if you know about Episcopalian it makes sense
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She needs to understand this:
I do not have to participate in your fantasies. That also includes I do not have to pay for your fantasies. I won't judge, but you will be judged by Him and His judgement will be final.
I do not have to participate in your fantasies. That also includes I do not have to pay for your fantasies. I won't judge, but you will be judged by Him and His judgement will be final.
Hahaha why the fuck they allow that angry old dyke to give a prayer service? That was a swipe at trump for sure.
Shit…I wouldn’t doubt if the pope dude is a froot. Im sure he is.
On the flip side, Iran puts people to death for having tattoos.
Id say she was planted there on purpose. More of the same shit different day.
On the flip side, Iran puts people to death for having tattoos.
Id say she was planted there on purpose. More of the same shit different day.
They don't vett who's going to speak?
EXACTLY ,the same question I've been asking myself since seeing this cluster fuck. Who the hell, okayed ,recommended ect,ect this ,whatever one wants to call it to be there. Somebody needs to be shown the door for this....they can't be trusted to give advice or recommendations. I bet Pres. Trump got an earful from Melania when they were alone. She's already pissed about the past 8 years ,from the look on her face yesterday while having to be in the same room with the den of vipers that were there and one can't blame her.
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The Bishop ' She-He ' Bud ... LOL . Just more proof for the eye, that organized region is for a fact just a common tax exempt 501/c business plan, and pandering Con artists for the Grift-$$$$ .
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I quote that exact passage from Timothy to my wife all the time and after each time I recite it I DUCK .
That fucking cunt senator klobucher set this up to get back at President Trump. Even the god damned gay fag painting they showed in the luncheon was gay as fuck.
Be careful she’ll do it while you sleeping.I quote that exact passage from Timothy to my wife all the time and after each time I recite it I DUCK .
I’d never go to a church with a female preacher. I know fairly liberal Christian’s that won’t even do it.
couldn't be more correct. surprised you haven't gotten slammed by the fundamentalists here. and there is no reason for churches to be tax exempt. same goes for all of our current NGOs without some serious vetting. goodwill and red cross are but 2 examples of tax exempts paying their CEOs & management huge salaries.
Just like the music cutting off when Carrie Underwood was about to sing. That was 100% fuckery and knowing that the left has played dumb shit like that in the past with theater crews disrupting the screenings of Sound of Freedom makes it even more apparent and obvious. But Underwood and the entire audience in the room stoically powered through, improvised, and didn't let the stupidity faze them one bit.
A repost of that moment is warranted:
you're right the lt does these kinds of childish,spiteful acts when they are in tantrum mode,which is most of the time. Clinton's crew made a point of fucking things stuff up before Bush 2 took over. wonder if they have done any other sabotage this time.
My take on women in the church is that, if a woman was good enough to give birth to my Savior, a woman should be able to preach about him as long as her heart is Christian and righteous, and she preaches His teachings purely.
Trump looks like he's thinking... Maaaan, I'd like to rip off her head and shit down her throat.
Im okay
for air drops by throwing em out of the plane or helicopter.Your title is way off.
"It wasn't very good..." Yeah, he really slammed her good!
It should read "Trump disappointed crazy lady lectures him in church"
"It wasn't very good..." Yeah, he really slammed her good!
It should read "Trump disappointed crazy lady lectures him in church"
He should have walked straight out as soon as the faggotry started.
If you look around you can see all the communists are smiling and laughing as the music cuts off like it's a joke and they're in on it.
They all stopped smiling when she started singing. I think it was far more impactful and soulful acapella. Just more Trumpian ju-jitsu to counter their hypartisan bullshit (consistently at our expense).
Separation of church and state. The GOV should not tell the church how to administer religion and the Church should not lecture about politics. Dig into the church's finances and see if their tax exempt status can be revoked.
yes. christian churches have been doing that for centuries. get their obedient members to vote as instructed,use their tax free profits if needed to get people in office that will put in laws that the church wants. use the lethal police power of the state to enforce their believes.
Islam does the same thing they are just more open and honest about it. jews do the same when in power. Israel is nothing more than a theocratic dictatorship no different or better than Saudi Arabia. and yes,gov should have no say in what churches do in any religious context.
She is a dyke, liberal progressive, political activist who is masquerading as a, "parish bishop".
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From the little I heard, all of "it's" talking points are crap that the left have claimed, that has nothing to do with what has actually been said or done.
Anymore, everytime I hear the word "community" it makes me want to puke.
yes, yes the fucking community....
yes, yes the fucking community....
They're subject to the same laws and treatment as any citizen being arrested. This will help :
First off, there is no such thing as "Separation of church and state" in the Declaration of Independence OR the Constitution. In fact, it states the opposite very clearly. Namely, that government cannot interfere or suppress any individual citizen in the voicing or carrying out the application of their faith/religion at all, in any manner, unless that practice directly conflicts with our laws. Even when it does the courts have correctly (except in a few cases) ruled for the individual and against the government in upholding that individual's religious rights. "Separation of church and state" actually comes from a letter that Jefferson wrote to a bunch of concerned Baptists, and is only a concept about the tension between government power and an individual's right to worship and believe as they see fit. This was never even a controversy in our whole history before Atheist's, who are fanatic in their faith in the meaninglessness and nothingness of human existence, demand that the government violate everyone's first amendment rights by outlawing all religion in public spaces. Here is a succinct recounting of how we got to this ridiculous place where so many ignorant people actually believe this is more than a legal concept that was originally put fort TO PROTECT First Amendment Rights, rather than a pathway for the government to abuse them! https://www.historynet.com/history-separation-church-and-state/
Your ignorance of and misunderstanding of Christianity is why you are conflating such opposite ideas and beliefs as if there is some maxim to be understood by conflating them. Christianity is almost 100% silent on government and politics, going to far as to say that this reality is ancillary to the spiritual. Far beyond the Render Unto Caesar quote that is often cited, both Jesus and Paul explicitly lay out that all government and rulers are where they are according to God's plan, and instructs believers to be citizens an obey till God decides to remove those governments and rulers. I know, sounds crazy. Basically Christians are asked to meet injustice, corruption, and persecution with love and kindness. Try following that shit Mr. Christian guy! Martin Luther King is venerated in this country not because he was so great in his personal life (he wasn't, but was a hypocrite like all Christians...all fall short), but because he exemplified the Christian maxim of meeting injustice with peace and love. Not an easy thing to do, and like Washington laying down power, rare.
Islam, on the other hand, is not just a religion and means of worshiping God. It is a proscribed a totalitarian system of government and control clearly laying out the system of an all powerful ecclesiarchy, made up of the most devoted and "learned" clerics reading Mohamed's book, that sits above any civilian government conceived by man with ultimate veto power and the final say in all affairs of the State. It's right there in the Koran. This is indeed the system in all Dar Islam, to a greater or lesser extent, and why all other religions are outlawed by edict and decree. Certainly there are places like Indonesia where Islam is treated much more like a religion than a form of government, but they are the exception and not the rule. We have watched in real time as The House of Saud has dismantled their ecclesiarchy (true heresy and apostacy against Mohamed and the Koran) since 9/11, and literally killed any Imams and members of the royal family who resisted it's reduction. Is a totalitarian monarchy preferable? Yes!
It's not that Islam is more open and honest about their theocracy. It's that IS their system and those ARE their beliefs. Whereas Christianity is not just unfit to be a system of governance, and not just silent on any given system's virtue, it is so fatalistic in it's pronouncements that it goes as far as to say it is your religious duty to suffer for your beliefs should your own government decide you are a threat. Christianity is not a team sport like government, which is why our Constitutional Republic was so unique at it's inception, placing the individual above government, which had never been tried. The entire world thought it would be unstable and fail immediately, and certainly every Christian in England believed, quite rightly, that Kings derive their power to rule from God (all according to His plan), and that treason was...well, treason against both King and God.
You are so inculcated with these beliefs that they permeate everything you think as an American about politics even as you push some non-existent "Separation of Church and State", that not only doesn't exist, but is Constitutionally illegal by virtue of the clear and concise First Amendment. It is this way because of the text of the Bible. A Christian theocracy is, and always has been, a complete heresy. When these have existed in history it was nothing more than an excuse for treachery and graft, the height of apostacy. They made up their own rules according to their own desires and called it holy; coopting religion as the excuse. Not that this is uncommon in all human history, but every other religion at least gives some guidance if not proscribing a political system. It isn't silent like the Bible just telling people to take it. Every one of these, in Christianity, went to great lengths to hide the book from the people and prevent them from reading it. Gutenberg blew that up.
There's nothing in human history that has a worse track record than when we make up morality and right/wrong as we go along. Rulers and politicians BEING Christians, and following Christian morality is how we secure the blessings of God, but unlike Islam there must be no compulsion, or it is again, apostacy. Christianity is a personal religion that establishes a personal link to God. It is not a collective. It doesn't proscribe any system of government outside a house of worship. It goes so far as to refuse to conflate works (actual personal actions and operations in this reality) with your disposition toward God. There is nothing that is even close to that radical and difficult concept to wrap your mind around. It's is full of mystery and lays out the unknowable from, "In the beginning" to "Amen", almost as if it's daring you to believe. It doesn't just mention we will never get any "proof", as you understand it, but it hits you over the head with it throughout. It lays bare are our humble and limited nature, and tells us that we proceed on faith alone.
There is simply no comparison. They are indeed both theologically and epistemologically opposites in almost every way. What other religion goes out of it's way to raise questions and highlight unknowable mysteries over and over? They give simple and easy to understand answers to questions so that even a goat herder will understand.
There similarities between Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are only in the early Surahs when Mohamed was a poor street preacher parroting what he heard from Jews and Christians about the teachings of Abraham, Moses, and Jesus when he was in Mecca. By the time he was a general in Medina at the head of an Islamic army the religions bear no resemblance to each other whatsoever. This is when he went insane with power, took multiple wives, married children, and wrote all the "War Surahs" about slaughtering infidels everywhere and converting the world by the sword.
The Bible was written by men over thousands of years "Inspired by God". It is obviously and necessarily allegorical because many of the concepts and ideas it represents are still entirely mysterious and cannot be understood in their entirely. Even Jesus taught in parables. Muslims believe that Mohamed wrote the Koran as the direct words he received from god, which is why the slightest change or translation from Arabic means it is no longer a Koran and no longer The holy text. The only major schools of theology in Islam reject any allegorical interpretation, and only accept every single word as literal. Leftists often site Sufis, Salafists, etc. and niche apostacies as evidence that Islam can evolve, but this is to take the .1% exception to the rule as controlling. It's ridiculous. There are hundreds of schisms and disagreements in Christianity. There is only one, of any significance, in Islam. That's the Shea/Sunni divide about the political line of succession in the political system the Koran describes.
I hope you will actually read the link at the top, because it does lay it out accurately and succinctly.
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"i believe the Bible is the word of God!" "why do you believe that?""because it say's so in the Bible!" end of discussion about any validity,yes or no, issues. you might read: "the Bible unearthed'; "Jesus interrupted"; "who wrote the New Testament?" you or anyone can believe whatever you want thru evidence or blind faith. not my business. i am free,or should be,to not believe anything i want.
the problem i see is thus. when religious zealots-Christians in this country and Europe-try to use secular law to force compliance with their believes,that is the problem. obviously a big problem in Muslim countries and places where there are a lot of Muslims: Turkey,the Balkans,India,China,present day Europe. Israel isn't an example of enlightened understanding. their Orthodox seem to stir up a bunch of trouble while being exempt from military service.
the fact that Mohamed corrupted himself with his own power is pretty common amongst powerful leaders,religious or otherwise. the early popes were not especially clean livers,nor were the Bakers and their ilk. the list of corrupted leaders is long. maybe starts with Alexander. but power corrupts.
the link you posted doesn't really seem to show a bunch of irrational SC findings. you could debate some,but to me anyway they all seem MOL reasonable. the 10 commandments in the court house and manger scenes in public places don't seem to me to be hills worth dying on. personally i don't care. yea,a lot of atheists go over board,like many Christians. the teaching of "creationism" a la George Bush or teaching that the earth is 10K years old is,on the other hand,abominable.
on the question of the approach of the Abrahamic religions to epistemology,and oncology,you have a good point. i would say the differences are dependent on the degree of fundamentalism that an individual holds. i know southern Baptists that believe all knowledge and existence come from God. don't know any Hasidic Jews so i don't know what they think. i know Christians ,Jews and some Hindus that have a different perspective.
OK i don't care what you believe. don't try to force any of that on others at the point of a gun or a scimitar. belief,thought,expressing them is one thing. behavior is another. eg satanists IMHO are wrong and FOS. they should be harshly sanctioned for their sick behavior,not for being FOS. i am indeed fortunate to live in a country that doesn't have a state religion. the founders knew the evils of sectarian violence & wars and did what they could to prevent such. yea,yea,yea i know this country arose from a Christian civilization and most of the founders were christian,many fervently.
they were enlightened enough to start a country where all beliefs were allowable,not all behavior. i think they would be and were OK with any-Christians,Jews,Sikhs,Hindus,atheists,agnostics,Buddhists,Muslims-if they could behave,prob not satanists,don't know about pagans. you are likely right that Islam is going to be unable to "reform" like Christianity and Judaism. why anyone cares about what anyone else beliefs in this regard has always puzzled me.
I genuinely care little for what anyone thinks about this.
The Scriptures are plain and clear:
1) Woman “bishop” = SIN
2) LGBTQIA+ anything = SIN
3) “Bishop” involvement in politics = SIN
4) Condoning antichrist values = SIN
5) Calling Episcopals “Christian” is like calling Nazis “Jewish”.
The Scriptures are plain and clear:
1) Woman “bishop” = SIN
2) LGBTQIA+ anything = SIN
3) “Bishop” involvement in politics = SIN
4) Condoning antichrist values = SIN
5) Calling Episcopals “Christian” is like calling Nazis “Jewish”.
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