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Ukraine war Bullshit.

#201
232593 said:
Comparing Crimea to Georgia is apples to hesco barriers. Totally different desired end states and purposes. Crimea was to set favorable conditions for what you see now.

2008 would have been to late. If that COA was desired.

It would have been better to do it shortly after the collapse of the USSR.

As you’ll recall, if your background is what you say, in 2008 we were ill equipped to prosecute LSGCO Whereas in the early/mid 90s all the required capabilities to conduct LSGCO were still in place.
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I agree- marching on the capital under the Hammer and Sickle banner in Georgia has much more to do with marching on the capital under the Hammer and Sickle banner in Ukraine... than seizing a Ukrainian peninsula in those shiny new digicam green uniforms.
2008 would have been the best time since Korea, actually.

You are correct to separate LSGO from SOF to make your point, but if the GWOT was prosecuted appropriately and planned adequately, we would have had the same well oiled machine we had but not fully committed (overcommitted, really).

I plan my lazy Sunday afternoons better than we planned two huge wars at the same damn time. ( <-- Not kidding)

WeR0206 said:
Russia has maintained a naval base there for decades. It wasn't an invasion of Crimea it was more like a liberation from deep state cabal control.
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Hahahahaha... more "Cabals!"

Did you hear the Rooskies relocated the Black Sea Fleet from Sevastopol?

They have them all in a location called Дэви Джонс' локар.

:ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:


sloporsche said:
yes they have more than a few nukes even boomers [subs] which have unimaginable destructive power
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Hmmm... are you sure?

You know Red October was just a movie, right?

If they were operating one, and they tried to push the button... well, I just wouldn't do it.

Losing the entire operationally-ready-few subs in the Rooskie fleet, accidentally, within the same 2 minute span... would be dumb.

WeR0206 said:
Russia didn't "move in" or ask them to join until AFTER 2014 when the legit govt of Ukraine was ousted for western puppet govt.
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Russia moved in on Georgia in 2008 and got SPANKED (during the opening ceremonies of the Olympics, actually).

The "puppet" president lives in one of Putin's palaces in Bakovka.

JAS-SH said:
Leaders in Moscow, however, tell a different story. For them, Russia is the aggrieved party. They claim the United States has failed to uphold a promise...
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Hahahahaha... the Pinky Promise that never happened!!

Do they also think that the rules based international order is "deeply unfair" to Russia, and that they should be permitted to exercise their will within their "Zone of Special Privilege?"
 
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Poor, stupid-as-fuck Ukraine. Seriously. We'll leave their assraping by the Turks, Poles, and Lithuanians aside for now, but they get so excited over the nazis that they declare independence, form a government, and try to draft an alliance with the reich. The Germans see that as a threat and arrest the whole leadership, then pillage the country. And Ukraine still has fond memories of those years. 😵 Now they try to fight for the NWO and the Great Reset against the one major country who has not fallen in line, at war against their brother slavs for the benefit of the zionists, satanists, and other one-worlders. In payment for military hardware, they give away every national asset they had, and lose most of their able bodied men.

Holy shit Ukraine. go back to spending your free time stone-ass drunk on the park bench. you made better decisions then.
 
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#203
WeR0206 said:
Crimea is also like 80% ethnic Russian, they voted overwhelmingly to leave Ukraine (with it's illegally installed govt happened in 2014 they didn't recognize it just like the folks in Eastern Ukraine refused to recognize it so they were labeled "domestic terrorists" boy does that approach sound familiar) and join Russia. Russia has maintained a naval base there for decades. It wasn't an invasion of Crimea it was more like a liberation from deep state cabal control.
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The key issue is that there are a lot of Russians in Crimea . On top of that, the most important thing is that Crimea has the only Russian warm water port in the whole world. And they never gave it up. I personally don't blame then as long as they behave, and we kind of all agreed on that in 1990.

Then we broke our promise. Russia will not give up their only warm water port. Not going to happen. They've owned it since 1783! Then, they transferred ownership to the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic. See the "Soviet" word in there? A lot more happened after that, but that's for another post
 
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kalashnikev said:
I agree- marching on the capital under the Hammer and Sickle banner in Georgia has much more to do with marching on the capital under the Hammer and Sickle banner in Ukraine... than seizing a Ukrainian peninsula in those shiny new digicam green uniforms.
2008 would have been the best time since Korea, actually.

You are correct to separate LSGO from SOF to make your point, but if the GWOT was prosecuted appropriately and planned adequately, we would have had the same well oiled machine we had but not fully committed (overcommitted, really).

I plan my lazy Sunday afternoons better than we planned two huge wars at the same damn time. ( <-- Not kidding)



Hahahahaha... more "Cabals!"

Did you hear the Rooskies relocated the Black Sea Fleet from Sevastopol?

They have them all in a location called Дэви Джонс' локар.

:ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:




Hmmm... are you sure?

You know Red October was just a movie, right?

If they were operating one, and they tried to push the button... well, I just wouldn't do it.

Losing the entire operationally-ready-few subs in the Rooskie fleet, accidentally, within the same 2 minute span... would be dumb.



Russia moved in on Georgia in 2008 and got SPANKED (during the opening ceremonies of the Olympics, actually).

The "puppet" president lives in one of Putin's palaces in Bakovka.



Hahahahaha... the Pinky Promise that never happened!!

Do they also think that the rules based international order is "deeply unfair" to Russia, and that they should be permitted to exercise their will within their "Zone of Special Privilege?"
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Wrong again on the intent regarding Georgia & Ukraine. For more on that see the differing end state of each operation.

No 2008 would NOT have been the best time. The needed command structures to prosecute such an endeavor were NOT there. The BDE was the UA for COIN. Right now the Division is the UA for LSGCO, BUT, most of the planners that I have spoken to at CAC are thinking that during MDO the Corps might need to be the UA. The science of utilizing the FWfF, essential for MDO & LSGCO on the Eurasian Plane, had atrophied.

Who’s GWOT plan are you critiquing? Care to specify?

Russian subs you say? Laughs in ground based ICBM & MRBM.
 
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232593 said:
Wrong again on the intent regarding Georgia & Ukraine. For more on that see the differing end state of each operation.
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Nope. In 2008 Saakashvili saw what was about to happen and kicked it off his own damn self during Opening Ceremonies like a straight gangster.

Putin sent his main effort against the capital and it got stalled and zero'd out (thank you, terrain). He walked away with Abkhazia and South Ossetia.

In 2022, Putin sent his main effort against the capital and it got stalled and zero'd out. He hopes to walk away with Donetsk and Luhansk.

232593 said:
No 2008 would NOT have been the best time.
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In 2008 we would have been ready because if we were going to live our values and confront Evil we would have also done the entire GWOT differently- and we absolutely would have beat back the Commies and secured their nuclear weapons (in their state at that time), and the leaky reactors in their energy sector too.

232593 said:
Russian subs you say? Laughs in ground based ICBM & MRBM.
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Oh, god I hope Putin doesn't try to launch one of those Soviet ICBMs. They're all covered in bird shit and the last time someone did nuclear-weapons-PMCS on them was in 1991 and he was totally smashed and took a pee inside the solid rocket fuel door.

An accidental detonation of any of those nukes would be......... wait for it..... DEEPLY UNFAIR!!!!


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHhahahahahah!!!!1!
 
#208
kalashnikev said:
Nope. In 2008 Saakashvili saw what was about to happen and kicked it off his own damn self during Opening Ceremonies like a straight gangster.

Putin sent his main effort against the capital and it got stalled and zero'd out (thank you, terrain). He walked away with Abkhazia and South Ossetia.

In 2022, Putin sent his main effort against the capital and it got stalled and zero'd out. He hopes to walk away with Donetsk and Luhansk.



In 2008 we would have been ready because if we were going to live our values and confront Evil we would have also done the entire GWOT differently- and we absolutely would have beat back the Commies and secured their nuclear weapons (in their state at that time), and the leaky reactors in their energy sector too.



Oh, god I hope Putin doesn't try to launch one of those Soviet ICBMs. They're all covered in bird shit and the last time someone did nuclear-weapons-PMCS on them was in 1991 and he was totally smashed and took a pee inside the solid rocket fuel door.

An accidental detonation of any of those nukes would be......... wait for it..... DEEPLY UNFAIR!!!!


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHhahahahahah!!!!1!
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Completely wrong about Putin’s 2022 main effort. Depth of forces were NOT there to secure DUT the size of Kiev. Do you know the doctrinal term for what it was? Let’s see what you really know.

BDA that we were tracking in USAREUR during the Georgia operation does NOT support your assertion.

“Nuclear weapons PMCS”. What’s that?? Pretty sure the USN & USAF don’t call it that.

Still waiting on you to provide a source to support your assertion on Russia’s lack of maintenance of their nuclear.
 
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lariat said:
Zelensky had better get a plan figured out. It appears Trump just shut the door on aid. Seems like he’s trying to pull Ukraine, NATO and Putin to the negotiating table. NATO doesn’t have the resources to do it alone.

Trump Halts Ukraine Aid As State Dept "Totally Went Nuclear" On Foreign Assistance | ZeroHedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero
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Apparently all the military aid to Ukraine goes through the Pentagon, not the State Department. A lot of what's being put on hold is the non-arms stuff.

There absolutely SHOULD be a complete stop to all weapons to Ukraine. Israel too, while we are at it.
 
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mikeb127 said:
Before this thread gets shafted like the other one........did the ATACR clone that Lobaev seemed to be working on there for a bit actually lead to a usable scope? I can't remember who posted it, but it would be interesting to see where it got up to.
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@Mr.BR?

kthomas said:
We will look back at Ukraine as our biggest foreign policy disaster in decades. Bigger disaster than Iraq.

And history will look down poorly on those who cheered on Ukraine to the last Ukrainian, who cheered against pursuing peace at every opportunity and instead chose a policy of war...
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Ah we still have time to fuck something up more probably.
 
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kalashnikev said:
In 2022, Putin sent his main effort against the capital and it got stalled and zero'd out. He hopes to walk away with Donetsk and Luhansk.
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Almost 50% of all Russian forces involved at the start of the war where in the Donbas.

kalashnikev said:
A permanent garrison of 200K NATO troops is the cost of surrender.
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Odd that you say almost the exact same thing that Zelensky did a couple days ago, not much for original thought it seems.
 
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I think the latest exchange with dear delusional Ukraine advertising crowd clearly shows how vile and evil certain part of Ukraine is. They will gladly sacrifice their countrymen for a lost cause and out of pure hatred mixed with jewish greed. Its really vile to fuck over your brother for a dime. I understand that some are trying to survive by catching people for the front and better to shoot off your “mouth” on a forum from abroad than to shoot of AK at Russians from a ditch in Donbass but for me its very tasteless. If someone hates someone so much as our examples here one would imagine if person had morals and sense of duty and honor would choose shooting AK to “mouth”.
 
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#221
You don’t hear much from those assisting Ukraine with loans that are backed with land about stopping the war. I suspect it’s because they stand to make more return on its rebuilding (through contracts to rebuild they will finance too and it ends up modernizing the infrastructure). The way it is going Ukraine appears to be a vassal state of Blackrock and those like it. Even if Ukraine were to win it will never fully own itself again.
 
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lariat said:
You don’t hear much from those assisting Ukraine with loans that are backed with land about stopping the war. I suspect it’s because they stand to make more return on its rebuilding (through contracts to rebuild they will finance too and it ends up modernizing the infrastructure). The way it is going Ukraine appears to be a vassal state of Blackrock and those like it. Even if Ukraine were to win it will never fully own itself again.
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Also, let people to fight back after the war once they realized what happened.
 
#228
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Velyka Novosilka Falls Without Fight, as '100 Day Peace Plan' Reportedly "Leaked"

One of the biggest recent battlefield developments is just how quickly some of Ukraine’s largest urban strongholds are falling after being surrounded and cut off by Russian forces.
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Very good summary and pretty much realistic estimate of willingness to negotiate at this point in time. I think people of Ukraine have now three options (fourth being a unspeakable as it means their national destruction):
1. Leave Ukraine and run to the west
2. Mobilize and resist, protest and try to overthrow the nazi regime and make a bilateral deal with Russia
3. Accept defeat and surrender and try to make a deal to keep western oblasts and hope Russians concede at least an EU membership but this one is almost as bad as fourth as Ukraine will be literally ass raped of resources and used as cheap labor.

What i don't have regardless of knowing few of them is the level of hatred and % of people there that really rabidly hate Russians. If its like our Ukie boys here say it is then i'm afraid option 4 is in play if there is "silent" majority of either indifferent, scared and normal Ukies that don't like Russians but could live with them then perhaps 123 are possible once hunta is defeated. Anyway their future is much like that of Germans, flower of the nation killed, what remained degenerated into tattoed, pierced white pussies selling their ass to the master while covering in fear of various brownish tones terrorizing them in the homeland. A pathetic image of once great nation who had potential to be world power (before wwI Germany made huge strides in industrialization and national growth). Sometimes its better to choose which battles are to be fought "to the death" and when to offer lube just ask us Slovenes, Serbs etc., we should know we did it plenty o'times :)...
 
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Looks like they'll keep running the meat grinder in Kursk with just enough pressure to keep the meat flowing. Ukraine is sending in their best to that area to try to hold it as leverage in negotiations. What a cluster fuck.
I wonder if elsewhere they keep pushing northward or take a hard push towards Odessa.
 
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NoDopes said:
Looks like they'll keep running the meat grinder in Kursk with just enough pressure to keep the meat flowing. Ukraine is sending in their best to that area to try to hold it as leverage in negotiations. What a cluster fuck.
I wonder if elsewhere they keep pushing northward or take a hard push towards Odessa.
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I'm not a military expert. But it feels to me that Russian offensive to the north of Odessa will make practicall sense for two major reasons.
1. Cut Odessa off, means exclude it from being a major supply hub to ukes. Russians will not attack Odessa directly, it will fall by itself.
2. Connect with Transnistria to relief it from being "choked" by the enemy.
 
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NoDopes said:
Looks like they'll keep running the meat grinder in Kursk with just enough pressure to keep the meat flowing. Ukraine is sending in their best to that area to try to hold it as leverage in negotiations. What a cluster fuck.
I wonder if elsewhere they keep pushing northward or take a hard push towards Odessa.
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Capturing Odessa would be quite the undertaking. There are a lot of natural obstacles that Russia would have to cross to get the needed assets in place. Anyone know what Russia’s maritime & amphibious capabilities in the area look like?

They might continue to push North seeing as they recently seized some KT that could enable that COA, maybe. Does Russia have the capabilities in place to exploit that success?

Russia may want to consider consolidating gains as well.
 
#235
232593 said:
Capturing Odessa would be quite the undertaking. There are a lot of natural obstacles that Russia would have to cross to get the needed assets in place. Anyone know what Russia’s maritime & amphibious capabilities in the area look like?
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Russian naval infantry, most suitable for amphibious assault, which are the best trained "regular" troops, who are trained both as paratroopers and marines, are not that numerous, may be 20K-25K in total. Russians will not want to loose a considerable number of them in direct assault on Odessa from the sea.
 
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kortik said:
I'm not a military expert. But it feels to me that Russian offensive to the north of Odessa will make practicall sense for two major reasons.
1. Cut Odessa off, means exclude it from being a major supply hub to ukes. Russians will not attack Odessa directly, it will fall by itself.
2. Connect with Transnistria to relief it from being "choked" by the enemy.
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With the shit stirring that is going down in Transnistria/ Moldova, plus the population of Odessa being mostly pro-Russian, I’m sure Russia would like to take the region, I’m just not sure they can.

The more Ukraines forces are degraded the more likely it is to happen IMO, it’s a question of time.
 
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NoDopes said:
Looks like they'll keep running the meat grinder in Kursk with just enough pressure to keep the meat flowing. Ukraine is sending in their best to that area to try to hold it as leverage in negotiations. What a cluster fuck.
I wonder if elsewhere they keep pushing northward or take a hard push towards Odessa.
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Kursk adventure is such a strategic failure for ukraine, it's insane that they keep trying.
Russia is probably happy with them not letting it go, leaves the eastern front very poorly defended and they can push forward with minimal losses.
Ukraine's greatest enemies are within.
 
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This channel, Borzzikman, is a sort of voice from Russian MOD. I posted this video because it is clearly indicates their plans about Odessa and Nikolaev, two major Black Sea ports. So, a straight Russian attack to the north of Odessa area in the direction of Transnistria is very likely to happen, with ukes troops and their small remaining reserves being seriously caught in all other parts of the front. Looks to me like a classic Russian military approach... Video talks about Odessa around 8 min into the video.
 
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#249
Given that the Kursk offensive seemed to be targeting the nuclear power plant in that region, this is the third time Ukraine decided that nuclear terrorist attacks are a winning strategy.

At least they are finally putting the untrained and inexperienced men they kidnap off the streets into existing units rather than form new double strength brigades that have any decent equipment parcelled out before being thrown into a cauldron and subsequently melting away.
 
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