Remington M700 6.5 Creedmore opinions.

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I’ve had a weatherby vanguard 6.5 Creedmoor for a while and while it is serviceable as a hunting rifle, it just doesn’t hold tight groups as I would prefer. I’m not able to drop the big bucks on high end precision rifles so I kept my eyes open for a possible replacement. Not too concerned about looking pristine as long as the bore is fine and it hopefully shoots as desired.
So, I bid on and won this REM Model 700 that hopefully will fit the bill. The exterior has expected usage marks but they say it has an 24” threaded heavy target barrel with excellent bright bore. I’m hoping this will lend to better accuracy than the thinner vanguard barrel. I expect with the heavy barrel and laminated stock the entire package will be a good bit heavier than the vanguard with its tapered barrel and synthetic stock.
Though the matte grey phosphate finish isn’t perfect on this rifle, I would think it’s finished would be ideal for taking a future Cerakote or Duracoat spray finish of choice, if I ever decide it is necessary.

As Remington 700’s go, are there any opinions on this particular make and model, good or bad? Please share!! Did I do good?
Rifle should arrive Tuesday for better pictures.

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It may or may not shoot as you hope. Factory Remington barrels are a crap shoot in terms of quality. Just because an auction says a bright bore doesn't mean it isn't shot out.

Also I am not sure what factory Rem 700 model came with a threaded 24" barrel and a laminate stock. It may be an aftermarket stock. As far as price it was probably worth the cost of the action and the pic rail but beyond that, again who knows.
 
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Rifle looks fine. Buy some good ammo and go shoot it. If it shoots pretty good I'd put a nice trigger in it like a Trigger Tech Primary and pretty much just leave the rest as is. Shoot the crap out of it and save any money for a nice custom build in the future if you really like the hobby. You can dump a ton of money into a factory rifle like that and really not get much return in the way of precision. Functionally the main thing it lacks is detachable magazines which really doesn't matter that much unless you engage in competitions that require higher capacity mags. Odds are the bore on the rifle is just fine. Most rifle owners never shoot enough ammo in their lifetime to wear out a single barrel.
 
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I appreciate the comments. I understand the crapshoot. I will look into the original configuration by contacting Remington. I recall seeing laminated stocks on new guns before. But I could be wrong. As long as it feels good in shoulder and solid it will be good.
 
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Does Remington ever put serial number on left side of receiver instead of barrel? It has an eight digit number starting with RR. There are markings on left side of barrel but partially obscured by stock. Will know more when it arrives.
 
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KneverKnew said:
Always on receiver? I’ve seen plenty on barrel too
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They might be but the serial is always on the receiver. Otherwise you could throw away the serial number
Barrels I believe have date codes when it was made and what caliber. I personally have never seen a serial number on a barrel. But I have been wrong before.
 
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KneverKnew said:
I’ve had a weatherby vanguard 6.5 Creedmoor for a while and while it is serviceable as a hunting rifle, it just doesn’t hold tight groups as I would prefer. I’m not able to drop the big bucks on high end precision rifles so I kept my eyes open for a possible replacement. Not too concerned about looking pristine as long as the bore is fine and it hopefully shoots as desired.
So, I bid on and won this REM Model 700 that hopefully will fit the bill. The exterior has expected usage marks but they say it has an 24” threaded heavy target barrel with excellent bright bore. I’m hoping this will lend to better accuracy than the thinner vanguard barrel. I expect with the heavy barrel and laminated stock the entire package will be a good bit heavier than the vanguard with its tapered barrel and synthetic stock.
Though the matte grey phosphate finish isn’t perfect on this rifle, I would think it’s finished would be ideal for taking a future Cerakote or Duracoat spray finish of choice, if I ever decide it is necessary.

As Remington 700’s go, are there any opinions on this particular make and model, good or bad? Please share!! Did I do good?
Rifle should arrive Tuesday for better pictures.

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You are going to want to remove that trigger IMMEDIATELY before ever shooting it, and throwing it in the garbage.

Get you one of these while they're on sale...

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Jrb572 said:
They might be but the serial is always on the receiver. Otherwise you could throw away the serial number
Barrels I believe have date codes when it was made and what caliber. I personally have never seen a serial number on a barrel. But I have been wrong before.
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Maybe it’s the date codes on the barrel I’m thinking off. So doesn’t the letter prefix on the receiver serial number also refer to date of manufacture?
 
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Jrb572 said:
They might be but the serial is always on the receiver. Otherwise you could throw away the serial number
Barrels I believe have date codes when it was made and what caliber. I personally have never seen a serial number on a barrel. But I have been wrong before.
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Yeah, always on the receiver, I believe the gov regs say the Serial number must be stamped on the receiver ( interpreted for ARs as the Lower Receiver).
 
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FuhQ said:
You are going to want to remove that trigger IMMEDIATELY before ever shooting it, and throwing it in the garbage.

Get you one of these while they're on sale...

www.eurooptic.com

TriggerTech Rem 700 Factory Special Curved Blk/Blk Single Stage Trigger R70-SBB-13-TBC

TriggerTech Rem 700 Factory Special Curved Blk/Blk Single Stage Trigger R70-SBB-13-TBC For Sale
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Are you saying the Remington adjustable triggers are garbage in general or are you referring to the safety issues that have plagued them recently?
I own a Model 700 in 7mm Express Remington my dad gave me for my 16th birthday a very long time ago and I adjusted the trigger to 2.5# and never had issues with it. I did read about the deadly events that happened in the past few years due to the safeties.
 
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FuhQ said:
You are going to want to remove that trigger IMMEDIATELY before ever shooting it, and throwing it in the garbage.

Get you one of these while they're on sale...

www.eurooptic.com

TriggerTech Rem 700 Factory Special Curved Blk/Blk Single Stage Trigger R70-SBB-13-TBC

TriggerTech Rem 700 Factory Special Curved Blk/Blk Single Stage Trigger R70-SBB-13-TBC For Sale
www.eurooptic.com www.eurooptic.com
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Is there one better than the other for the 700? There are quite a few models available. Also, what is the benefit to getting one without the bolt release compared to one with it? How would you release the bolt?
 
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KneverKnew said:
Is there one better than the other for the 700? There are quite a few models available. Also, what is the benefit to getting one without the bolt release compared to one with it? How would you release the bolt?
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Just buy the one in the link. It’s the most trigger for the money you can get. It goes down to 1 lbs. and is really crisp. You have to have a bolt release trigger on a factory 700. Aftermarket clone 700 actions have a built in bolt release on the side of the action, factory 700’s don’t. Which is why you need a trigger with a bolt release for all factory 700’s.
 
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KneverKnew said:
Are you saying the Remington adjustable triggers are garbage in general or are you referring to the safety issues that have plagued them recently?
I own a Model 700 in 7mm Express Remington my dad gave me for my 16th birthday a very long time ago and I adjusted the trigger to 2.5# and never had issues with it. I did read about the deadly events that happened in the past few years due to the safeties.
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Yes, I’ve owned dozens of 700’s with factory triggers all the way from old 60’s-90’s Walkers, up to the X-Mark Pros, and have been doing my own trigger jobs for over 20 years. The older Walker triggers Remington used from the 60’s-early 2000’s were good. The factory X-Mark and X-Mark Pro triggers (what it appears you have in yours) that they used after the lawsuit, is absolutely garbage, because Remington went overboard after losing a bogus lawsuit against them a long time ago, so they overcompensated on making sure their triggers were safe, which made them horrible for the end-user (you).

Those deaths could have been prevented if the people hadn’t been greatly negligent with their firearms safety precautions…But in America, stupid people can sue a company for their own stupidity, and win. Even several of those people who sued them, and won admitted to messing with the triggers themselves, after they got paid (basically admitting they were guilty)… 🙄🙄🙄
 
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Rem 700 arrived. It is actually in pretty good condition. The grimy spots look to be areas of residue left over from bedding the action I am assuming. Kinda rubbery thick brown in spots and others look like thin plastic film.
 
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Stock looks to be original.

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Using a dental pic I have removed a majority of this residue. I am questioning if I should try and remove the stock to inspect under the wood.

Not sure if trigger is original, aftermarket or gunsmith modified. Removing stock would help determine.
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Clearly I will have to remove stock to install a new trigger at some point. This one seems pretty crisp based on initial testing.
 
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British Proof marks. I see those on auctions sometimes. Does anyone know if Canada uses them? Or did the rifle originally sell or get brought to England?

Barrel date code is April of either 1993 or 2019. Was 6.5 CM common in ‘93? The serial number prefix could help nail down the year.

It looks like a good utilitarian rifle. Be careful, winning at auctions can become addicting.

Greg
 
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You did not say what you paid for the rifle, but it looks nice. If you are not going to fit a suppressor or muzzle brake consider having the threads cut off and a proper crown cut with a lathe. If it doesn't shoot to your satisfaction there are a plethora of rebarrelling options for M700 actions. The stock can easily be refinished if you care to, and there is always improving the bedding. I rebarrelled my M700 based 6.5CMoor with a LV Bartlein and it shoots fantastic.
 
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RIGREG said:
British Proof marks. I see those on auctions sometimes. Does anyone know if Canada uses them? Or did the rifle originally sell or get brought to England?

Barrel date code is April of either 1993 or 2019. Was 6.5 CM common in ‘93? The serial number prefix could help nail down the year.

It looks like a good utilitarian rifle. Be careful, winning at auctions can become addicting.

Greg
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The 6.5 Creedmoor cartridge wasn't even invented until 2007, and wasn't really getting popular until around 2008/2009. So, I'd lean more towards 2019 production model.
 
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Do the British proofs have any significant meaning? I found more markings on the barrel that are not under the wood. Any more info on these marks?
I’m going to shoot as is before removing from stock. A good bore cleaning will be first though.
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I have a RR prefix in 6.5 creedmoor. Mine had the same trigger from the factory which was horrible. swap it immediately as stated earlier. Mine come from the factory with a 22 inch threaded barrel not 24. Mine also had a Houge rubber stock that was horrible as well. I put a trigger tech in it and switched to a Mcmillan stock and the rifle shoots pretty decent now. I found mine to be a little picky about bullet weight. It shoots 130 to 140 grain bullets very well. Holds .75 moa maybe a little less with something like Hornady 140 grain ELDM or Berger 140 hybrids. Getting any lighter than 130 groups opened up really fast. Going over 140 and the groups started to open up as well. It did ok with the Hornady 143 ELDX but didn't like anything heavier than that. Mine shoots the best with Berger 130 OTM or the 140 grains of about any flavor.
 
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I have a RR prefix in 6.5 creedmoor. Mine had the same trigger from the factory which was horrible. swap it immediately as stated earlier. Mine come from the factory with a 22 inch threaded barrel not 24. Mine also had a Houge rubber stock that was horrible as well. I put a trigger tech in it and switched to a Mcmillan stock and the rifle shoots pretty decent now. I found mine to be a little picky about bullet weight. It shoots 130 to 140 grain bullets very well. Holds .75 moa maybe a little less with something like Hornady 140 grain ELDM or Berger 140 hybrids. Getting any lighter than 130 groups opened up really fast. Going over 140 and the groups started to open up as well. It did ok with the Hornady 143 ELDX but didn't like anything heavier than that. Mine shoots the best with Berger 130 OTM or the 140 grains of about any flavor.
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So you’re saying you had the same trigger with set screw as mine?
I may have to wait before another big purchase.
 
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The stock looks like it came from a 700 VLS, but I don’t think those ever came in 6.5CM. Honestly since it’s bedded I think it’s a barreled action dropped into whichever stock the previous owner wanted.

Sps tactical for the barreled action maybe. If the threading was factory it might be from a Magpul edition 700.

Tough to say, but honestly doesn’t matter much, I don’t think what you have is a factory configuration.
 
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Will Remmington provide the original configuration information based on serial number or is that something you have to pay money for?

But like you said, it doesn’t really matter. All depends on how it shoots.
 
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wpeach1912 said:
If it doesn’t shoot well with 140 ELDMs or BTHPs at 2.8” COAL with 41.5gn H4350, it won’t shoot
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I've not had very good consistency with Hornady ELDMs... Much better with Berger 140 Elite Hunters, and also surprisingly good with Nosler 140 RDF's, which usually throw random fliers, but this last box of 500 I got has been extremely consistent and shoots really good. Berger Elite Hunters are about the most consistent bullet out there. Seat them anywhere from 0.010" to 0.025" off the lands and work up a powder charge that shoots good in your rifle. I'm having awesome results with StaBall 6.5 powder and CCI 400 primers in Alpha Munitions brass in my 2 Aero Solus 6.5CM builds. H4350 is a great powder, but it only got me slightly more velocity than Varget. StaBall 6.5 is giving me insane velocities while still holding sub-1/2 MOA 5-shot groups with good ES/SD numbers.
 
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I have some Berger 140 elite hunters and some H4350. Will give those a try. No fancy brass but I trim and separate out by weight to do the best I can. I have hornadies and federal plus a few others.
 
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Pulled out of stock and removed top rail. Appears “they” did a pillar bedding. Lots of residue though. Don’t understand it. Even under top rail. Looks like crap but most of it cleaned off after the pictures.
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Closer shot of the British proofs.
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Is EPI of Arlington VA the barrel maker? Who are they?
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Yep, like stated above, that barreled action might have been epoxy skim-bedded, but it wasn't in that stock. That stock doesn't have pillars, nor has it ever been bedded. Someone most-likely had it in a different stock, bedded it, and then put it in that stock before selling it, and kept their nicer high-priced stock.

If you really like that stock, I'd have a professional gunsmith drill out and epoxy in some aluminum pillars, that way you can get proper torque on that action in the wooden stock, without busting the wood. At most, in a non-pillar wood stock, I'd go around 45 inch lbs. TOPS. If you have aluminum pillars or a full aluminum bedding block (or chassis), then I do 65 inch-pounds.
 
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EP International is an FFL dealer in Arlington, VA. Not sure if they do smith work, but here's a thread on them I found here on the Hide...

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Anyone in Arlington VA heard of Fred Baker Sporting

They have a listing on Guns International and their email comes back as EP International LLC which when I dig is an importing company for UK originated firearm transfers/imports. My Gun Import webpage has the same person I am conversing with. The map comes back to a residence. I cannot find...
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I do appreciate everyone’s input and suggestions on my rifle. I apologize for my ignorance about pillar bedding. I actually have never done it or even know quite what it looks like but I was just assuming. I’m going to try the rifle the way it is now And see what happens. If further actions are required, I will cross that bridge when I get to it.
 
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KneverKnew said:
So you’re saying you had the same trigger with set screw as mine?
I may have to wait before another big purchase.
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Yes that is the factory Remington 700 trigger with that screw exactly what mine had originally. Mine was called a model 700 SPS tactical. Those come from the factory with a Houge rubber stock that was so flimsy the weight of the barrel would make it touch the stock just sitting on a bag. I can perfectly understand why they pulled it and put a laminate stock in it's place. Those in 6.5 creed only had a 22 inch barrel. Maybe the magpul edition had 24,inch barrels, (not sure) both were threaded from the factory.
 
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FuhQ said:
Yep, like stated above, that barreled action might have been epoxy skim-bedded, but it wasn't in that stock. That stock doesn't have pillars, nor has it ever been bedded. Someone most-likely had it in a different stock, bedded it, and then put it in that stock before selling it, and kept their nicer high-priced stock.

If you really like that stock, I'd have a professional gunsmith drill out and epoxy in some aluminum pillars, that way you can get proper torque on that action in the wooden stock, without busting the wood. At most, in a non-pillar wood stock, I'd go around 45 ft. lbs. TOPS. If you have aluminum pillars or a full aluminum bedding block (or chassis), then I do 65 inch-pounds.
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You meant 45 in/lbs torque for both front and rear action screws in this laminated stock, right?
 
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The stock looks like it came from a 700 VLS, but I don’t think those ever came in 6.5CM. Honestly since it’s bedded I think it’s a barreled action dropped into whichever stock the previous owner wanted.

Sps tactical for the barreled action maybe. If the threading was factory it might be from a Magpul edition 700.

Tough to say, but honestly doesn’t matter much, I don’t think what you have is a factory configuration.
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Will Remmington provide the original configuration information based on serial number or is that something you have to pay money for?

But like you said, it doesn’t really matter. All depends on how it shoots.
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pretty obvious this was a gun built in the UK and was just imported by EPI. They did a good job of being minimal with their import mark but its not like this gun has any historical significance.

getting with remington i think will be futile. that action could have been bare or rebarreled. Remington has been sold re-orged so many times, i doubt you'd get any information on a gun built in 2019, but what for? Its not in its original configuration and it doesnt actually matter what it was before.

all that matters is if the gun was built well and it shoots good. I do think its kinda neat its got the british proofs, its not something you see often. but it explains why its been threaded, the Brits have been using moderators more widely than we have for longer. i would double check that barrel thread, highly likely its metric.
 
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Threads are not metric. My Lane 30 cal can screwed right on. Mounted my Hawke scope. Only had the tall QD mount for 30mm. Had to arch my neck a bit, but will get lower rings eventually. Good enough to test rifle and get scope on paper. I agree, the trigger was problematic. I have that Trigger Tech on the way.
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First group with Hornady 147 ELD Match ammo. Only at 50 yards to get on paper. Three shots measured 3/4”. Low shot was a round going off prematurely. I adjusted the trigger too light.
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