Man shot for warrant over a weed eater. Wrong house?

Sad sad stuff . I personally know a young SWAT Team member . Always bragging about , how many rounds his gun holds , and tactics of if they don’t respond we will burn the fuvkin place down around them . Really I told him my reaction to this : you come to my place , I know what you want to do , I will not die without a deadly fight . Do you want to be the only one I kill or would it not be easier to try a different tactic , was my question to him .

The storm trooper want to be military proud has gotten way way out of hand .
Where will or when will this stop happening ?
 
Warrants need to be approved and signed by a judge before the police get to go make a housecall. So if the courthouse does not have a copy I am guessing that one wasn't issued and now that shit has entirely gone off the rails there is some real horsetrading going on behind the scenes to convince a judge to provide a postdated warrant to help the protect the cops and the county.
 
Maybe I missed it, but has it actually been stated that this was a no-knock warrant, anywhere other than SH comments here? The video didn’t say that, unless I missed it. Seems like everyone here is just running along with the first guy to say it.

Obviously, if it was, I’m in agreement that this shouldn’t be a no-knock warrant scenario. The guy had zero criminal history sans traffic, and the search warrant was, I assume, related to an apparently non-violent offense. I can’t imagine a violent crime in which a weed whacker would be the weapon. Sounds like a huge clusterfuck regardless, with the radio traffic recordings indicating the search warrant was for a different address.

Our local health department showed up at my PD a few weeks ago with a search warrant for an address that may or may not have been correct, asking that we provide security while they executed the warrant. The listed address on the warrant matched the property number on our county’s GIS, but not the visibly posted number at the front of the property, City permit applications/water billing, or the USPS delivery address. With so much contradictory proof of address, I ended up telling them to pound sand until they got the discrepancies figured out, or to execute it without us. They protested for a while, until I explained they were relying the accuracy of one computer geek inputing the address in the GIS system to keep them from being the defendant in a 1983 suit, and if they were wrong I would gladly testify that they were warned against it. Needless to say, they called it an early day and I went back to work.

Our search warrants always list the address, GIS parcel number, and a detailed physical description of the property and all included structures to be searched. Prior to service execution, we hold a briefing with all officers involved in the service in ANY capacity attending. If you don’t attend the briefing, you’re not coming with. We include GoogleMaps street-view photos of the property (if we don’t have current pre-surveillance photos, which I make a point to get ahead of time if possible), criminal history and DL photos of all known occupants, and an approach route map for every officer in attendance to take with them. There’s more, but those are the most relevant contents of the briefing to this situation.

If you follow some basic precautionary steps, you’ll be right 100% of the time. In my career, I’ve never seen a mistake like above. It boggles the mind how anyone could serve a warrant at the wrong address in our current technologically documented world.

There's only a two second difference between a no knock and a knock warrant being served. Cuz police safety and all that.
No where in your post did you state that questions should be asked about if this person can be picked up going to work with a regular traffic stop, are there innocent people in the home and several other questions that could avoid people being killed by government agents. You don't want to admit it but there's an underlying reason for stormtrooping. The plain view doctrine. Then again, there's multiple videos of the stormtroopers pocketing goodies that they come across in their pursuit of evidence.
 
Maybe I missed it, but has it actually been stated that this was a no-knock warrant, anywhere other than SH comments here? The video didn’t say that, unless I missed it. Seems like everyone here is just running along with the first guy to say it.

Obviously, if it was, I’m in agreement that this shouldn’t be a no-knock warrant scenario. The guy had zero criminal history sans traffic, and the search warrant was, I assume, related to an apparently non-violent offense. I can’t imagine a violent crime in which a weed whacker would be the weapon. Sounds like a huge clusterfuck regardless, with the radio traffic recordings indicating the search warrant was for a different address.

Our local health department showed up at my PD a few weeks ago with a search warrant for an address that may or may not have been correct, asking that we provide security while they executed the warrant. The listed address on the warrant matched the property number on our county’s GIS, but not the visibly posted number at the front of the property, City permit applications/water billing, or the USPS delivery address. With so much contradictory proof of address, I ended up telling them to pound sand until they got the discrepancies figured out, or to execute it without us. They protested for a while, until I explained they were relying the accuracy of one computer geek inputing the address in the GIS system to keep them from being the defendant in a 1983 suit, and if they were wrong I would gladly testify that they were warned against it. Needless to say, they called it an early day and I went back to work.

Our search warrants always list the address, GIS parcel number, and a detailed physical description of the property and all included structures to be searched. Prior to service execution, we hold a briefing with all officers involved in the service in ANY capacity attending. If you don’t attend the briefing, you’re not coming with. We include GoogleMaps street-view photos of the property (if we don’t have current pre-surveillance photos, which I make a point to get ahead of time if possible), criminal history and DL photos of all known occupants, and an approach route map for every officer in attendance to take with them. There’s more, but those are the most relevant contents of the briefing to this situation.

If you follow some basic precautionary steps, you’ll be right 100% of the time. In my career, I’ve never seen a mistake like above. It boggles the mind how anyone could serve a warrant at the wrong address in our current technologically documented world.

Why is the health department conducting raids/searches?
 
Te entire premise behind a late night “no-knock” raid is to maintain the tactical advantage of surprise. The late timing element further potentially assists in disorienting a target who may be dangerous. However, the use of that tactic is situational, that is, dependent on other options and risks. Exempli gratia, if you know Bubba usually grabs a six-pack every day after work and you can catch him in the parking lot with no collateral danger to civilians, then maybe that’s a better idea. I won’t second guess anyone because perhaps the perp wasn’t just an evil criminal genius weedwhacker mastermind. He may also have a nice long rap sheet and a penchant for violence. But in my opinion this tactic is way overused and likely to eventually backfire as civilian land calls (again) for the dismantling of local SWAT teams. YMMV.

Would have fewer problems if they didn’t hire numerically dyslexic cops.
 
I read the updated article and stand corrected. It wasn’t a “no-knock” raid. It was simply served just before midnight. The update also isn’t clear if the deceased was subject of the warrant. That’s a little more important than the address.

The property owner of “489” further stated that nobody has lived there for months. KSP has stated the incident took place at “511”, which makes it sound like the subject residence of the warrant.

A dyslexic six-year old could have written a better article.
 
No knock warrants need to outlawed nation wide. Police do not need MRAPS, flashbangs, and all the military toys they are using today. What they need is common sense. Train them 1st to be sure the person they are going after is actually thought to have committed some crime. When the individual leaves there house for smokes, or eggs stop them at the corner and make your arrest hopefully in a rational manner without acting like Seal Team Six. Eventually everyone comes out of the house and they should be easy to take into custody. Playing army man in Americas neighbor hoods is ridiculous. Every week there is a story like this.
 
My dad lives close to London. He knows the family. Said it was some concerned "citizen" calling in with something they knew nothing about. Gave a vacant house address and a "this is what I heard" to the cops. Guy answered the door with his pistol in his hand and LPD wasted him. Makes me wonder how in the hell they could get a warrant for such circumstantial heresay.
 
The irony of this is, if that same man left that weedeater in the bed of his truck at a Walmart and a wetback drives by and steals it, caught on surveilance camera, try getting a cop to go to a judge for a warrant. The judge would tell him don't bother him with that shit, it's the dumbass's fault for leaving his stuff where it's going to get stolen.
 
Guy answered the door with his pistol in his hand and LPD wasted him.
I would say don't open your door late at night, but that other video of those two DEI female hire cops both did double mag dumps through the door/window when they simply saw somebody with a gun through the window. Had no idea who it was or who else was in the apartment... they just fired until they were out of ammo.

Pretty sure this has been posted before.. but relevant here.


Fort Worth cops quietly sneaked into a back yard of a home at night, looking for suspicious person reported in the area... home owner was in her bedroom with a gun because she saw flash lights in her back yard, cop saw her, blasted away, killed her.. went to prison.
 
If you follow some basic precautionary steps, you’ll be right 100% of the time. In my career, I’ve never seen a mistake like above. It boggles the mind how anyone could serve a warrant at the wrong address in our current technologically documented world.

Or a warrant for a weed eater theft that it seems was based on hearsay. But have you been in that part of Kentucky? The gene pool has been diluted a bit since James Bowie was born there. Everyone who touched that warrant should be investigated for murder charges.
 
You'd think in an article about a numerical error that resulted in a tragic death...............they wouldn't have numerical errors Fuck.

From the article LBC linked.

"The man killed was 63-year-old Douglas Harless, an employed father and grandfather and reportedly without a criminal record. London police said three days after the deadly shooting that Harless was shot after he raised a firearm at officers.

Neighbors are still in disbelief and looking for answers as to why London Police were at the door of 61-year-old Doug Harless the night of December 23rd."


Also it's pretty fucking clear from dispatch audio what the correct address was.
How could you possibly miss the big fucking numbers as you approach the front door to "knock"
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Warrants need to be approved and signed by a judge before the police get to go make a housecall. So if the courthouse does not have a copy I am guessing that one wasn't issued and now that shit has entirely gone off the rails there is some real horsetrading going on behind the scenes to convince a judge to provide a postdated warrant to help the protect the cops and the county.
Doesn’t necessarily mean there wasn’t a warrant. It’s pretty common that a search warrant gets approved and the original is held by the agency who obtained it to prevent the County/Circuit Clerk from electronically filing to public record until after the warrant is served.

Why is the health department conducting raids/searches?
County health code violations. My understanding was the property owner wouldn’t allow Health Dept employees through a locked gate to address the issue a few days prior, and told them to get off his property (his right). The Health Dept intended to do the right thing, and obtained a search warrant (poorly written as it may have been). For as many people here who complain that govt should “come back with a warrant,” well…they did.

Calling it a “raid” is pretty hilarious. It was two Health Department employees and a locksmith hired by the Health Department to guarantee they could get through any locked doors where they needed to be without causing any damage.
 
Doesn’t necessarily mean there wasn’t a warrant. It’s pretty common that a search warrant gets approved and the original is held by the agency who obtained it to prevent the County/Circuit Clerk from electronically filing to public record until after the warrant is served.


County health code violations. My understanding was the property owner wouldn’t allow Health Dept employees through a locked gate to address the issue a few days prior, and told them to get off his property (his right). The Health Dept intended to do the right thing, and obtained a search warrant (poorly written as it may have been). For as many people here who complain that govt should “come back with a warrant,” well…they did.

Calling it a “raid” is pretty hilarious. It was two Health Department employees and a locksmith hired by the Health Department to guarantee they could get through any locked doors where they needed to be without causing any damage.

They wanted the cops there for their protection.

Sounds very much like a raid.




Again, why is the health department trying to get through locked doors and gates of private property?

Simply saying they needed to inspect is a cop out. What were they looking for and why?
Was it a food manufacturer?
A restaurant?
 
When I go hunting in the beginning of the season, I leave my house really early 3:00- 3:30am usually. I normally don’t put my rifle or shotgun in a case and usually just put them on the back seat. I have often thought about what would this look like if a cop happened to ride by as I am carrying my weapons to my truck in the early morning hours.

Hopefully it would be a cop that would figure “this guy must be going hunting” instead of “this guy must be up to no good”
 
When I go hunting in the beginning of the season, I leave my house really early 3:00- 3:30am usually. I normally don’t put my rifle or shotgun in a case and usually just put them on the back seat. I have often thought about what would this look like if a cop happened to ride by as I am carrying my weapons to my truck in the early morning hours.

Hopefully it would be a cop that would figure “this guy must be going hunting” instead of “this guy must be up to no good”

If it's 3:00am and you walk out of your house holding a rifle, with headlights shining down your street, you're screwing up. Doesn't matter if it's a cop, a mailman, the trash man or a group of thugs.

Take two seconds and look before you go outside.
 
You'd think in an article about a numerical error that resulted in a tragic death...............they wouldn't have numerical errors Fuck.

From the article LBC linked.

"The man killed was 63-year-old Douglas Harless, an employed father and grandfather and reportedly without a criminal record. London police said three days after the deadly shooting that Harless was shot after he raised a firearm at officers.

Neighbors are still in disbelief and looking for answers as to why London Police were at the door of 61-year-old Doug Harless the night of December 23rd."


Also it's pretty fucking clear from dispatch audio what the correct address was.
How could you possibly miss the big fucking numbers as you approach the front door to "knock"
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Their PTSD blocked it out after all the ridicule over their wardrobe.
 
If it's 3:00am and you walk out of your house holding a rifle, with headlights shining down your street, you're screwing up. Doesn't matter if it's a cop, a mailman, the trash man or a group of thugs.

Take two seconds and look before you go outside.

Some people exercise rights without worrying about who might be driving by.

Had a cop freak out and made me exit my vehicle to talk to him at the back of my truck for his safety when he saw my old Winchester M70 in the bqck seat. I was going to pick up my FIL at 5am to go hunting and got pulled over for what he said was 35 in a 15. It's been 35 for the last 20years and I challenged him to show me a speed limit sign that said otherwise. He was sitting up the road where it was 45mph.

I no shit thought this cop was going to have a heart attack when my FIL walked out to get in my truck with his rifle. Long story short he was caught changing the charges in the work computer for his meth dealing girlfriend going through a custody battle and was fired.
 
I got pulled over once going to my fathers house. I had 2 AR15s, 3 precision rifles, 1 AK47 about 4 22s, and at least half a dozen pistols in my truck and a bed full of full ammo cans. I was going to spend the summer with him and he only owns a few shotguns so I always bring a shitload of toys for him to shoot. Took 1.5 hours while the cops ran the numbers on every gun I had. The cops didn't freak out on me intially because everything was in cases, until they decided to ask if the cases were full. Then they got a bit excited. Had probably a whole dept. and State Police there but by the time it was over.
 
Some people exercise rights without worrying about who might be driving by.

Had a cop freak out and made me exit my vehicle to talk to him at the back of my truck for his safety when he saw my old Winchester M70 in the bqck seat. I was going to pick up my FIL at 5am to go hunting and got pulled over for what he said was 35 in a 15. It's been 35 for the last 20years and I challenged him to show me a speed limit sign that said otherwise. He was sitting up the road where it was 45mph.

I no shit thought this cop was going to have a heart attack when my FIL walked out to get in my truck with his rifle. Long story short he was caught changing the charges in the work computer for his meth dealing girlfriend going through a custody battle and was fired.

Exercising your God-given rights is a good thing, and I don't have a problem with it.
It's not about exercising rights. It's about not showing someone you don't know, what you own.

My neighbors are about 75% 2A supporters. Most of them have been in my home. They know what I have.
I don't want the utility worker, the lawn guys, the general contractors or any other stranger eyeing my shit.

It's no different than not showing large wads of cash in unknown company.
I don't have that problem anymore. I got remarried...😄



As far as rotten cops, I've been fortunate all my life. I've never had to deal with that type.

A lot of them around here would actually want to talk guns and ask where I shoot.
 
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I got pulled over once going to my fathers house. I had 2 AR15s, 3 precision rifles, 1 AK47 about 4 22s, and at least half a dozen pistols in my truck and a bed full of full ammo cans. I was going to spend the summer with him and he only owns a few shotguns so I always bring a shitload of toys for him to shoot. Took 1.5 hours while the cops ran the numbers on every gun I had. The cops didn't freak out on me intially because everything was in cases, until they decided to ask if the cases were full. Then they got a bit excited. Had probably a whole dept. and State Police there but by the time it was over.

Why did you let them search your vehicle?
What was their cause to open the cases and then run the numbers?
Did you give them permission?

That's like having an unopened case of whiskey and the cops doing the full DUI process on you...

Where do you guys live to have to put up with that shit?
 
It was in Kentucky off I75 somewhere around the state line. Got me for speeding and saw all the cases in the back seat and all the ammo cans in the bed. Kept saying I was transporting illegal firearms across state lines(I am an NC resident) and threatened me with holding me up till they got a warrant. I was a very less educated man back in those days and was of the mindset "I don't have anything to hide" so like a dumbass I let them search my vehicle.
 
I was a very less educated man back in those days and was of the mindset "I don't have anything to hide" so like a dumbass I let them search my vehicle.
I did that once in my 20's.
Completely forgot I had a few real deal 1/4 sticks in the glove box. The whole time I was detained Alice's restaurant kept playing in my head. Eventually let me go.

No more free searches from me.
 
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I did that once in my 20's.
Completely forgot I had a few real deal 1/4 sticks in the glove box. The whole time I was detained Alice's restaurant kept playing in my head. Eventually let me go.

No more free searches from me.
That was the first and only time. I really had nothing to hide but I wasn't aware I had inalienable rights in my pocket.:D
 
Over a fucking weedeater?

Grand Theft Echo.

It must of been a Stihl


Sad sad stuff . I personally know a young SWAT Team member . Always bragging about , how many rounds his gun holds , and tactics of if they don’t respond we will burn the fuvkin place down around them . Really I told him my reaction to this : you come to my place , I know what you want to do , I will not die without a deadly fight . Do you want to be the only one I kill or would it not be easier to try a different tactic , was my question to him .

The storm trooper want to be military proud has gotten way way out of hand .
Where will or when will this stop happening ?

Seems most LE is Ex military and still think that way

If it's 3:00am and you walk out of your house holding a rifle, with headlights shining down your street, you're screwing up. Doesn't matter if it's a cop, a mailman, the trash man or a group of thugs.

Take two seconds and look before you go outside.

So once again we blame the law abiding citizen
 
So once again we blame the law abiding citizen

Not blaming anyone for anything. I'm sure there's not any implying from my end.
You misunderstood what I wrote.

Looking back it wasn't very clear.



Basically, I'm just saying: don't advertise your shit to unknown people. Nothing more, nothing less.



I just got home and there was a vehicle across the street I didn't recognize. So, my stuff is still in the van.
I'll get it out a little later when there are no unfamiliar faces around. Seems a simple thing to do.
No fear, just smart caution on my part.
 
Not blaming anyone for anything. I'm sure there's not any implying from my end.
You misunderstood what I wrote.

Looking back it wasn't very clear.



Basically, I'm just saying: don't advertise your shit to unknown people. Nothing more, nothing less.



I just got home and there was a vehicle across the street I didn't recognize. So, my stuff is still in the van.
I'll get it out a little later when there are no unfamiliar faces around. Seems a simple thing to do.
No fear, just smart caution on my part.


Agree 100% and would of done exactly what you did. Very few people know what I own.
 
Single purpose cases do set ya up for the loss. Lose the cop bait bags.

A taken down 18inch ar fits well in a bass ukulele case if you didn't know. Shorter more fun stuff? The sky is the limit.

Hell, I'd say it'd be hard to demonstrate probable cause to even fuck with the ukulele unless you're really drawing attention.
 
I am going with no warrant was issued. A police officer would have to lie to push for a warrant, with a chance of being caught. A judge would be even more of a fool to sign such a warrant unless he was lied to.
The weed eater belonged to a county official who did not have authority to sign a warrant. My guess is that some stupid, low on the totem pole, cops were going all Rambo to impress themselves, etc. Hopefully some of them will go to prison over this, and the city will pay millions.
 
this is why we won’t see the body cameras footage- they just decided that they were to expensive and to hard to maintain.
So oddly enough just before they rolled
Out to commit murder or at best kidnapping and torture under color of law they decided not to wear recording devices!
 
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this is why we won’t see the body cameras footage- they just decided that they were to expensive and to hard to maintain.
So oddly enough just before they rolled
Out to commit murder or at best kidnapping and torture under color of law they decided not to wear recording devices!

Too expensive and hard to maintain.

Strange.

Thought I posted that elsewhere.
 
I'm sure I'm wasting my time, but for anyone who hasn't taken the time to actually look into it.

- Police had a subject in custody they believe stole the weed eater
- That subject admitted to stealing it and told them where it was (gave them the address)
- They used the subject's confession as probable cause for a warrant
- They went to the house they believed to be that address
- They knocked for several minutes and announced themselves. No answer. (Cameras from other homes show them knocking)
- They expected the house might be empty because the subject was still in custody at police dept
- They made entry and were confronted by the now deceased home owner

It wasn't a no knock warrant. Just a normal warrant supported by the confession of a thief.

All this info is readily available if you just search it, instead of listening to people who play on your emotions and claim there's no answers and such. It should also be a clue when people say they are calling Benjamin Crump.


It does sound like they went to the wrong address and that sucks. However, the reasons for being there are all normal, cut and dry, bare basic police work. I can't speak for the claims that residences move around or numbers are changed, etc.


There's obvious lessons here:

- Police need to spend more time confirming the right address. Especially when they are under the impression no one will be home. As you're going to react a completely different way when you expect no one home and all of sudden someone is there.



- If people claiming to be the police are knocking on your door.....the worst thing you can do is just sit there armed and waiting. Call the police dept and ask if it's actually the police and not someone pretending. Or talk to them through the door and ask what they want. Or open the door if you like.

But the main thing is, while you are absolutely allowed to protect your home, police are allowed to make mistakes. And the odds of you winning that confrontation are very low.

Obviously the police likely made an error, but we have all messed up finding an address (non LE) at some point in our lives. And had the homeowner answered in some sort of way (calling police, or communicating to the police at the door), then what was a very minor mistake could have been fixed and not turned into a shootout.



It's a two way street. The homeowner didn't deserve to be shot. And the police didn't deserve to face an armed subject who refused to answer the door after they (possibly) made a mistake with the address.
 
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I'm sure I'm wasting my time, but for anyone who hasn't taken the time to actually look into it.

- Police had a subject in custody they believe stole the weed eater
- That subject admitted to stealing it and told them where it was (gave them the address)
- They used the subject's confession as probable cause for a warrant
- They went to the house they believed to be that address
- They knocked for several minutes and announced themselves. No answer. (Cameras from other homes show them knocking)
- They expected the house might be empty because the subject was still in custody at police dept
- They made entry and were confronted by the now deceased home owner

It wasn't a no knock warrant. Just a normal warrant supported by the confession of a thief.

All this info is readily available if you just search it, instead of listening to people who play on your emotions and claim there's no answers and such. It should also be a clue when people say they are calling Benjamin Crump.


It does sound like they went to the wrong address and that sucks. However, the reasons for being there are all normal, cut and dry, bare basic police work. I can't speak for the claims that residences move around or numbers are changed, etc.


There's obvious lessons here:

- Police need to spend more time confirming the right address. Especially when they are under the impression no one will be home. As you're going to react a completely different way when you expect no one home and all of sudden someone is there.



- If people claiming to be the police are knocking on your door.....the worst thing you can do is just sit there armed and waiting. Call the police dept and ask if it's actually the police and not someone pretending. Or talk to them through the door and ask what they want. Or open the door if you like.

But the main thing is, while you are absolutely allowed to protect your home, police are allowed to make mistakes. And the odds of you winning that confrontation are very low.

Obviously the police likely made an error, but we have all messed up finding an address (non LE) at some point in our lives. And had the homeowner answered in some sort of way (calling police, or communicating to the police at the door), then what was a very minor mistake could have been fixed and not turned into a shootout.



It's a two way street. The homeowner didn't deserve to be shot. And the police didn't deserve to face an armed subject who refused to answer the door after they (possibly) made a mistake with the address.
It was a fucking weedeater. They brought half the department for a fucking weedeater. They fucked up royal and you know it. It was small town retards with a badge kissing the judge's ass and they killed an innocent man for a fucking weedeater.
Nice try at glossing it over. But I expect that's exactly what the state police will do and claim their badge buddies are innocent of killing a man for the weedeater that belonged to a friend of the judge. I'd shred your bullshit post but don't have the time nor the inclination to waste the time. I've already wasted enough
 
I'm sure I'm wasting my time, but for anyone who hasn't taken the time to actually look into it.

- Police had a subject in custody they believe stole the weed eater
- That subject admitted to stealing it and told them where it was (gave them the address)
- They used the subject's confession as probable cause for a warrant
- They went to the house they believed to be that address
- They knocked for several minutes and announced themselves. No answer. (Cameras from other homes show them knocking)
- They expected the house might be empty because the subject was still in custody at police dept
- They made entry and were confronted by the now deceased home owner

It wasn't a no knock warrant. Just a normal warrant supported by the confession of a thief.

All this info is readily available if you just search it, instead of listening to people who play on your emotions and claim there's no answers and such. It should also be a clue when people say they are calling Benjamin Crump.


It does sound like they went to the wrong address and that sucks. However, the reasons for being there are all normal, cut and dry, bare basic police work. I can't speak for the claims that residences move around or numbers are changed, etc.


There's obvious lessons here:

- Police need to spend more time confirming the right address. Especially when they are under the impression no one will be home. As you're going to react a completely different way when you expect no one home and all of sudden someone is there.



- If people claiming to be the police are knocking on your door.....the worst thing you can do is just sit there armed and waiting. Call the police dept and ask if it's actually the police and not someone pretending. Or talk to them through the door and ask what they want. Or open the door if you like.

But the main thing is, while you are absolutely allowed to protect your home, police are allowed to make mistakes. And the odds of you winning that confrontation are very low.

Obviously the police likely made an error, but we have all messed up finding an address (non LE) at some point in our lives. And had the homeowner answered in some sort of way (calling police, or communicating to the police at the door), then what was a very minor mistake could have been fixed and not turned into a shootout.



It's a two way street. The homeowner didn't deserve to be shot. And the police didn't deserve to face an armed subject who refused to answer the door after they (possibly) made a mistake with the address.

If we could just forget about “muh rights,” police could do their jobs.

Unless I missed it, they have refused to release a copy of the warrant.
 
I'm sure I'm wasting my time, but for anyone who hasn't taken the time to actually look into it.

- Police had a subject in custody they believe stole the weed eater
- That subject admitted to stealing it and told them where it was (gave them the address)
- They used the subject's confession as probable cause for a warrant
- They went to the house they believed to be that address
- They knocked for several minutes and announced themselves. No answer. (Cameras from other homes show them knocking)
- They expected the house might be empty because the subject was still in custody at police dept
- They made entry and were confronted by the now deceased home owner

It wasn't a no knock warrant. Just a normal warrant supported by the confession of a thief.

All this info is readily available if you just search it, instead of listening to people who play on your emotions and claim there's no answers and such. It should also be a clue when people say they are calling Benjamin Crump.


It does sound like they went to the wrong address and that sucks. However, the reasons for being there are all normal, cut and dry, bare basic police work. I can't speak for the claims that residences move around or numbers are changed, etc.


There's obvious lessons here:

- Police need to spend more time confirming the right address. Especially when they are under the impression no one will be home. As you're going to react a completely different way when you expect no one home and all of sudden someone is there.



- If people claiming to be the police are knocking on your door.....the worst thing you can do is just sit there armed and waiting. Call the police dept and ask if it's actually the police and not someone pretending. Or talk to them through the door and ask what they want. Or open the door if you like.

But the main thing is, while you are absolutely allowed to protect your home, police are allowed to make mistakes. And the odds of you winning that confrontation are very low.

Obviously the police likely made an error, but we have all messed up finding an address (non LE) at some point in our lives. And had the homeowner answered in some sort of way (calling police, or communicating to the police at the door), then what was a very minor mistake could have been fixed and not turned into a shootout.



It's a two way street. The homeowner didn't deserve to be shot. And the police didn't deserve to face an armed subject who refused to answer the door after they (possibly) made a mistake with the address.
well i certainly hope you'll be so cavalier about rights when it is either you or yours that is murdered by people operating WAY out of bounds...and then shrug their shoulders and give no fucks. a man that had NOTHING to do with this mess is DEAD. and there ain't no "making him whole" from that.

you are awful gracious so long as it isn't your ass paying the piper.