Came across an MSM video from Triggrcon with Killer Innovations/Icon Defense talking about their upcoming monolithic uppers.
Mono upper info starts at 4:37
Mono upper info starts at 4:37
Monolithic uppers coming from Icon Defense (former Mega Arms guys)
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Icon Defense is basically the new Mega Arms. Mike Miller was the original founder of Mega Machine and ran everything until Mega was purchased by ZEV. He went and did some work for some other companies (I think Grey Ghost Precision and Hodge Defense) before launching Icon Defense. Their first product was the M89 Drivlock rail that was initially offered by SOLGW.
Maybe the LMT patent has expired and now Mike is free to bring monolithic uppers back to the market. Exciting for sure.
Maybe the LMT patent has expired and now Mike is free to bring monolithic uppers back to the market. Exciting for sure.
A really quick Google search would indicate Karl's patent expires in 2026.
Hopefully they can't get an extension on it. I always wanted a mega but by the time I could afford one they had already quit making them.
Slimy. Yes Mega had a monolithic upper but that was about the extent of the similarity.
www.militarytimes.com
Mega Arms halts sale of monolithics; LMT granted patent
In a move that may signal the first of more possible announcements by companies manufacturing AR platforms, Mega Arms...
www.militarytimes.com
I’d certainly be in for one of the monolithic uppers.
Then I’d want the matching lower though.
Then I’d want the matching lower though.
Mega was sold to Zev and then recently resold to SilencerCo.
I wonder if these parts match the original Mega finish? I’ve found nothing else that does and I’ve got a billet lower that’s Form 1’d.
I don't think they can as I recall reading somewhere that once this expires, it's game on for the industry
If they would just continue with the MML line it would be great. The Mega machining was second to none.
This ^ Icon monolithic upper would have me forget about anything LMT, pending a couple of details.
Im familiar with how LMT and FN SCAR barrels are attached to the upper. How is the barrel secured in a mega receiver set?
Proprietary barrel extension adds cost and/or lead time for precise barrels.
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I have a couple of Mega builds and they were just really good for the money. They barrel extension and smaller ID rail, great finish and tight fitment. When sitting side by side with other ARs, it’s easy to spot the differences.
That being said, you are probably right. Megas were great at the time but with advancements in design over the past 10 years they are probably on par with standard stuff.
I would love to do an LMT but it’s more involved. I also don’t plan to swap barrels. It’s too easy to swap uppers.
I do love LMTs bcg though. It made a huge difference on my .308 AR and 5.56 when running suppressed. I am a believer in the higher price for that bcg.
Dang that A2 mono is calling to me and I'm not sure why but it seems like a freakin cool idea.
LMT isn't better than a quality MML Setup, people have been cannibalizing the LMT barrels or having custom jobs done like DW is doing now all the way back when Flounder was working at GAP.
The MWS is built like a Tank and in 99% of the LMT MWS I've owned they averaged 1.2"-1.5" MOA on a good day.
Besides the robust Receiver design their only other appeal is the Quick Change Barrel design, and to this day outside of Mil Ops I've never seen anyone actually put that to good use.
I've done countless repeatability test with a plethora of barrels and they are always all over the map. Even with the SS Match Barrels I could be averaging MOA-ish, let the barrel cool remove the barrel and reinstall it with a quality Torque Wrench and POI would shift 1-2 MOA in any direction and my groups would almost always open up.
The bottom line is the intent for the MWS is a true "Battle Rifle" that all the cool kids wanted back in the day that could reliably shoot 1.5-2 MOA.
I sold my last MWS back in 2016 that was a complete Lemon, from out of spec upper receiver and the Chrome on the BCG chipping off in the first Range Trip.
There have been a few online reviews where the MWS couldn't even complete the Eval.
So coming back to reality with the rest of the world outside the Military the Monolithic Mega Large and Small Frame is the better choice far and wide, no need to fiddle with highly proprietary parts.
I've seem more Home MML builds on here with a quality barrel that have operated with 100% reliably and easily a 65% Accuracy increase.
I honestly can't even count the number of MML or Small Frame Mega Builds I've done in the past with using a Custom Cut Barrel with a Oversized Barrel Extension that have resulted in a rigidity increase over the MWS.
The ONLY down side to the MML Builds I personally see over the MWS is the LMT/KAC Ambidextrous controls, they are nice.
This is one of my Mega Small Frame Builds a picked up on here as builder kit that will never leave my Stable.
Sadly after I completed the build and dropped a Custom Craddock or Paul Ross Bartlein Barrel in her (can't remember which off the top of my head) I haven't had a chance to shoot it over all current projects I've got going on.
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Yes the Gas Block Journal is .875, the barrel is a Custom Contour of mine.
Hey, nice rifle
Yeah some asshole one here sold it to me..lol
I have not seen a ton of love for the seekins semi mono uppers on here. Anyone using them consistently? How does the larger triangular rail hold when shooting off hand?
I have a variety of mega builds, and while the quality/fit/finish is top notch, I prefer my variety of LMTs. If I had to downsize... I'd keep an MRP and a MWS and sell everything else, and I wouldn't miss the other stuff. LMT has enough design changes to stand out from the crowd. Same goes for KAC. Everything else is mostly the same shit in a different wrapper.
That didn't come across right... I'm not trying to be a downer, I like mega and would gladly use them for a custom build, but in my mind, this doesn't make LMT obsolete. They target different markets IMO. The LMT is unique, but I can understand why someone would want a quality monolithic receiver set that uses near zero proprietary parts.
You can do different things with the A2 rear sight assembly space using more modern MRDS or Electro-Optics, and still have a mechanical elevation control under it.
The handguard would not suffer from flex for LAM zero deviation either.
Hahaha I bought mine from him and absolutely love it. Most accurate ar15 I've ever had. And I just have a wilson combat ss 20". But it hammers.
If its the same quality as the MML upper I'll get one. But of those 3 pictures... there all fucking ugly and I'll stick with my MML
Does anyone have a picture of the tool that would be used to tighten the barrel nut on one of these mono receivers?
Not great, I wouldn't buy one for off hand use. Mine is all bipod or barricade and it's great for that. I haven't tested shift in any great depth, so no comments there.
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