Again-
An excellent explanation. Appreciate you filling in the blanks with that one.
-LD
Frustrated with our legal system
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An excellent explanation. Appreciate you filling in the blanks with that one.
-LD
Fair enough-
Give me some credit though- I didn't try to alter the story to skew how it came across. I did try to stick with the facts and to your point (and as I mentioned)- yeah he REALLY fucked up there.
That being said- I can't help but wonder if the one component in my story regarding gun rights would have occurred regardless of that particular element.
-LD
Man, I remarried into the best situation I could ever have. Got me back in church, pushed me to get an education, let's me spend whatever I want (can afford) on firearms...etc... etc...
Plus she's a hard-line conservative, Christian, and outdoors lover who can fix me up from my injuries (because those are frequent here on the ranch).
Plus her family is worth a few $mil
So your adopting me now or what?Man, I remarried into the best situation I could ever have. Got me back in church, pushed me to get an education, let's me spend whatever I want (can afford) on firearms...etc... etc...
Plus she's a hard-line conservative, Christian, and outdoors lover who can fix me up from my injuries (because those are frequent here on the ranch).
Plus her family is worth a few $mil
The novellas are awesome. They brighten my day.
Not. Should have stuck to the sex toys.
From one newly "self-proclaimed" pit master to a true 1st class brisket smoker- you have a very smart brother. Or at least a brother that got smart quick after making a common mistake.
Joking aside- I'm glad things worked out in this scenario and I'm inclined to believe that the biggest "winner" in this one was the daughter they shared.
Appreciate the input.
-LD
Oh you are 100% correct on that and I completely agree with you.
He made a very dumb decision with the woman with regards to the house he bought for them. No argument from me at all.
The fault is likely of my own doing for not being able to succinctly state an opinion without getting lost in the weeds.
The "umbrage" I take with the system in this particular case (I don't get an opportunity to use that term often enough) isn't with the mortgage mess he's in (that's mainly just a detail that's closely connected to the story I'm sharing). The 'bonkers' part of the story/what's tied to the system (and largely what's relatable for the vast majority of people here) is my buddy got involved with a single mom with a kid (trust me there was ZERO attorney involvement before his "great idea" turning south)
The relationship turning south happens, but the fact that the woman was then able to file a PFI (honestly I'd never even heard of that acronym before this got dropped on me) based off of her accusations alone & then to use the child as a leverage point supporting her reasoning to file AND then have the courts uphold it AND then as a result send the sheriff to his crummy apartment he holed up in while trying to make it work to take his firearms away AND also to block him from purchasing firearms AND also being put on the defense and having to "pony up" the money to fight what essentially is an accusation based off of one person's word against the other is what I find to be a fault of the system.
This is likely where I lost you (and also hopefully explain why I included it in the post/albeit likely not clearly), the reason why he can't afford the legal costs to fight the PFI and restore his 2A rights is because he put all of his available capital into the house and what he's earning now is dedicated to that court battle and he had to file something along the lines (again not a lawyer so I'll avoid using 'official' terms and just use plain language) "I got your PFI, I don't agree with the nonsense used to file it against me but agree to abide by whatever conditions until I can sort my other shit out and go back to this".
I "hope" that clarifies what I had originally intended to highlight as being the topic I was frustrated with most recently in regards to the legal system. My apologies if I got myself wrapped around the axel and as such lost my intended message in my original posts.
No offense taken on my end at all either- if anything I just appreciate you pointing out that I wasn't clear there. Hopefully I was able to shift fire and focus on the specific issue I was expressing frustration with. Thanks for keeping me honest.
-LD
Of course you can't help yourself but to "swoop in" any chance you get am I right?
There's a few ways I can go about responding to you but I'm going to go with this one-
I wouldn't wish what my buddy (one of your devil dog brethren) is going through on anyone and that even includes you. I clarified it in a recent post but while he did make a colossally dumb choice (of which he's paying handsomely for in legal fees) the issue I initially was bringing up is that the threshold to strip someone of their rights is so incredibly low (and goes into effect based off of one party petitioning for it).
Think of me what you will but one thing I will wish on you is- that you'll always have a battle buddy at your side that you can talk to about these type of issues. And I hope that battle buddy cares enough about you that whatever burden you share with them bothers them enough to keep them up at night worrying about you (and for your own sake alone) that they're willing to share the story on a forum with people just waiting for an opportunity to shit on the posts as they have nothing better to do, but they do it anyway. I hope you will always have that kind of friendship in your life.
-LD
It's certainly entering into a legal agreement that has the cards stacked against you.
But in this particular instance- he didn't even marry the woman, she still was able to use the courts against him (which they did) and she did it for no other reason than her own personal satisfaction of knowing she had him by the balls and wanted him to know it.
Again- they don't even need a marriage license, just a sympathetic judge.
-LD
No. We have a legal system. And in that legal system; the only definition of the word justice, is as it applies to judges. The idea that our legal system is "fair" or "just", is media/DOE propaganda designed to make the average serf/juror side with the state.
Respectfully-
I think both @Animal357 & you (and myself for that matter) are saying the same thing but just in different words.
-LD
I did read the OP and I tend to agree that our justice system is messed up. I have taken to calling it the injustice system. It definitely isn’t what the framers had in mind when they came up with the judicial branch of the government. I have a real problem with a circuit judge being able to put a stay on an executive order given by the president. I understand checks and balances, but that’s overreach by the judicial. And yes, it does seem to eat people up
Him letting the woman move into the house with him without being married was his first mistake.
Him moving out of HIS house was his second big mistake.
Him staying in contact with the kid was not a great idea because well, women are evil often.
How much is it going to cost him to get the vile woman out of the house?
Is it more expensive than just walking away from the loan and telling the bank to have fun getting the house back from the whore?
Him moving out of HIS house was his second big mistake.
Him staying in contact with the kid was not a great idea because well, women are evil often.
How much is it going to cost him to get the vile woman out of the house?
Is it more expensive than just walking away from the loan and telling the bank to have fun getting the house back from the whore?
If your penniless, maybe. Otherwise, you will be poor for a long ass time. You can't simply walk away.
Again, and it's likely my fault for getting too lengthy and not emphasizing the point from the get-go, I'm more so blown away of how a woman scorned was able to do so much damage and leave my buddy bleeding money to address it in the legal system than anything else.
That having been said- to clarify again, he bought the house (upgrading from the townhouse he had owned/lived in and using all equity he built) to purchasing the house specifically for the 3 of them to live in. Again, hindsight being what it is, at the time he thought this was going to be a marriage/future family type of situation and desired more space for this family growth than the townhouse he lived in provided. But- you aren't wrong.
As far as moving out being a mistake- that part I'm not so sure is as cut and dried. Remember both his name and her name is listed as the property owners (although his name is the only one on the loan). It very well may be different from one locality to the next but one thing I'm willing to bet as being universal is domestic situations are almost always "ugly".
On one end, there's my buddy that bought the house (again for the 3 of them) and is making all the payments etc. On the other side, there's the woman and her young child (and the woman is also on the title as a property owner). And for whatever reason she wanted him gone. I'm not the smartest cookie in this situation but my understanding, at least here, is someone needs to find another place to crash until the dust settles at least. My buddy (whose employment is dependent upon having a clean record & also was concerned about making a 'scene' I'll say for the child out of their best interests) did what he did. Right or wrong... I don't know but were I in the same situation... I at least understand the 'why' behind him doing what he did to de-escalate the situation at the time (hence the short-term apartment).
As for your 3rd point- again I can't find fault there at least on a high level. The more nuanced part though is my buddy had a strong relationship with the child and (apologies if I wasn't clear) it was the child that reached out to my buddy initially while this was going on. My buddy did reciprocate by answering the child/trying to reassure the child that everything is ok but that was used against him.
For the fourth question, the woman is out of the house (now) and he's back in it (lots of other drama there) but the problem is that she's still listed as a property owner. So he's got all that part going on while also trying to combat the PFI filed against him that has his world turned upside down from a firearm owner perspective (which is what I failed to emphasize initially).
As for your 5th and last question- IDK myself but I don't think he can 'walk away' from the house as being the sole person responsible on the loan to pay for it. I (personally) think his attention is best focused on seeing what the house had appreciated by since this all started and 'buying her out' based off of that but from what I've been told, she wants half of the equity to be bought out (as opposed to the appreciation) and that's where he's currently up to his neck in paying his lawyer to fight.
Hopefully that answered your questions/at least made sense.
-LD
It's certainly a convoluted mess. Hopefully my previous post provides more detail/insight as to why that'd be problematic.
-LD
Hah you're good man, just restated what you & I clarified on Friday. Hope you're enjoying good booze and are in good spirits.
-LD
Just something to consider.
Having the child contact him might have actually been the woman's plan from the start to set the whole thing up.
It wouldn't be the first time and it won't be the last time.
That's why I always say a Jewish, homosexual, communist, partisan, terrorist, freedom fighter in a NAZI concentration camp would have more of a chance of convincing the SS guards at the gate to freely hand over their cash and coat and ID and let them waltz out the front gates, than a good man would have trying to get a fair deal in family court or pretty much any court if a woman is involved.
But again I blame all the stupid white knighting simps that have gotten us to this point with their coddling and putting women up on stupid pedestals and acting like they are so special instead of simply saying no, you are equal and will be treated equal like it or not.
I've got to say- that shows just how poorly equipped I am to help my buddy out with this mess. I never even once considered that the child contact could have been fabricated/coerced/staged/pick your term.
That's a very good insight and in all honesty, I'm going to think on that to find a way to present him that suggestion delicately for him to bring it up with his lawyer. Maybe it's been considered, but I never thought of that angle and haven't heard my buddy mention it either.
I am however familiar with the "white knighting" concept, one of the things that I do fault a popular financial channel that's focused on financial topics. I don't think that's the case with my buddy though- I just think that he really fell in love with this girl & the child and a "switch" flipped in her and has made his life absolute hell for the past year. Using the child as leverage is next-level, but certainly not outside the spectrum of possibilities, especially when the PFI seemed to be filed against him for no reason other than spite.
Thanks for the comment @W54/XM-388 , you gave me a lot to think of that I missed myself.
All I can do though is find a way to introduce it and suggest he discuss it with his lawyer (although that particular scenario will absolutely wreck him if true).
I'm really just a guy that has a battle buddy going through some crap (and yes I'm trying to help him out and yes it bothers me because it makes me feel rather helpless) but, as I've said in my OP, I'm just so beyond frustrated after seeing this type of stuff play out over & over with friends and acquaintances, and these are good/salt of the earth type of people, and the legal system just makes things so much harder. And damn if it isn't expensive as all hell to climb out of these holes (even if it's worth it).
I really didn't want to dwell too much on my buddy's situation but rather use it as an example of how the legal system continues to disappoint me- how it just seems like a machine that needs to be fed, and how it absolutely ruins lives for folks that otherwise are going about their days trying to earn a living and socialize.
-LD
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