BREAKING 01/31/25 6:20PM EST: Plane crashes near Philadelphia mall. ETA: Updates coming in now.
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Strikes me as some sort of catastrophic malfunction of the plane itself- possibly sudden engine loss or loss of the pilot...
Reckon we'll find out more by this weekend- my sympathies to all aboard and impacted by the... (I'm not trying to be crass) subsequent impact of the plane and those caught in the wreckage area.
-LD
Reckon we'll find out more by this weekend- my sympathies to all aboard and impacted by the... (I'm not trying to be crass) subsequent impact of the plane and those caught in the wreckage area.
-LD
I was wondering if it took out one engine while climbing which made it bank hard and crash
It's rare but every now and then a tail falls off or some other crazy shit mechanical failure too
Chinese had a 747 that broke in half iirc
So... The one question everyone here is just dying to ask.... Did the patient survive?
Air ambulances have a higher rate of accidents than other types.
The pilot voice sounded accented. Don’t imply anything, just an observation.
The article says everyone including crew were from Mexico.
The pilot voice sounded accented. Don’t imply anything, just an observation.
The article says everyone including crew were from Mexico.
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Potential control surface failure…. Could be several factors or a combination. Will say that descent looked much quicker than what was quoted earlier in the thread. This will be an interesting one to know what happened.
I thought she was going to pull it off. I was wrong. 37 seconds of facts followed by 3 minutes of "Thank you to..." Why does every presser sound like an Oscar acceptance speech?
Most flight tracking websites default to reporting ground speed, so if the flight tracking website that people are referencing was reporting say 250kt ground speed at the time of impact that's only the horizontal component of the actual velocity-- given the steep descent in the video the actual true airspeed at time of impact may have been more like 350-400+kt.
Last datapoint on FlightAware shows 204kt @ 1600ft, but still with a 2344fpm positive climb rate... no data points registered during the descent before impact.
Flight Radar 24 shows the last data point at 242kt @ 1275ft, but I don't have a subscription to see the vertical speed.
ADS-B exchange shows the last data point as 246kt ground speed @ 675ft, but with a vertical rate of -11008 fpm... yikes.
NTSB report on this one is going to be interesting.
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"A medical transport jet with a pediatric patient and five others aboard crashed into a Philadelphia neighborhood shortly after takeoff Friday evening, exploding in a fireball that engulfed several homes."
"The pediatric patient was reportedly returning home to Mexico after receiving life-saving treatment for a medical condition in Philadelphia."
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That was actually the first thing I thought, but they would likely not have made it as far as they did. Looked at skew-t, and looks like sig icing from 3000' and up. If was very heavy and their deice was not working...think TBM in New Jersey 2011.
You drive on the highway?
The drive to the airport is exponentially more dangerous than the flight you are taking.
Odds of dying in a scuba accident > 80%
Odds in an airplane accident > 90%
Odds of dying in a car accident?
Odds in an airplane accident > 90%
Odds of dying in a car accident?
The numbers are a bit vague for one reason: Apples to Oranges.
The chance of death from flying is extremely low, safest way to travel, etc. Chances of living IN (through) AN ACTUAL plane crash, plummet to near zero.
Odds of dying in an actual car crash, are comparatively low, because we include fender benders. Even some head-ons are survivable.
None of the people reviewing the footage are mentioning what looks like showers of spark or flames streaming from the plane before impact.
The chance of death from flying is extremely low, safest way to travel, etc. Chances of living IN (through) AN ACTUAL plane crash, plummet to near zero.
Odds of dying in an actual car crash, are comparatively low, because we include fender benders. Even some head-ons are survivable.
None of the people reviewing the footage are mentioning what looks like showers of spark or flames streaming from the plane before impact.
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Female pilots might be why we are in this mess
No but there is a A LOT of fraud in Mexico and South America when it comes to aviation.
I have seen lots of parker pen time in logbooks from folks South of the Border and South America (and India too).
I don’t think this was pilot error though something crazy happened.
That was the Payne Stewart accident.
A DEI type first officer either turned off the supplemental O2 or never turned it on.
Part of the pre-flight and the valve for the O2 cannot be accessed from the cabin or the cockpit.
They lost pressurization during flight and all died from hypoxia.
What if it was a cartel hit?
I feel for the crew, and especially the young girl having life saving surgery, onboard that Med. A/C, but, how many people in Tijuana (where A/C originated from) can afford to have a Medical Flight Ambulance fly them to Philly, US of A? Earned income in TJ, or Mexico for that matter, is very low. So... maybe, a rival cartel got revenge? Just throwing chit against the wall here. It is Saturday and all. Mac
I feel for the crew, and especially the young girl having life saving surgery, onboard that Med. A/C, but, how many people in Tijuana (where A/C originated from) can afford to have a Medical Flight Ambulance fly them to Philly, US of A? Earned income in TJ, or Mexico for that matter, is very low. So... maybe, a rival cartel got revenge? Just throwing chit against the wall here. It is Saturday and all. Mac
my arm chair guess a control surface malfunction and or combined with spacial disorientation climbing up through the clouds. Ceiling was 400 feet.
According to flight data was still accelerating before it banked left and nosed in. Engines were making power, it was climbing at 3000FPM and accelerating before the bank/decent.
According to flight data was still accelerating before it banked left and nosed in. Engines were making power, it was climbing at 3000FPM and accelerating before the bank/decent.
Lear 55 was the first corporate jet my former company bought in 1979/80. No one wanted to ride in it because the first one was rumored to have crashed in South Africa.
Maybe that was a rumor the executives started so the peons wouldn't take an open seat. The Big guy was notorious for traveling drunk with at least 2 (hot) administrative assistants.........
Maybe that was a rumor the executives started so the peons wouldn't take an open seat. The Big guy was notorious for traveling drunk with at least 2 (hot) administrative assistants.........
Spacial disorientation is a sensory perception problem. They were in IMC on instruments, as you mentioned from only a few hundred feet off the ground, so not a factor.
I know and flying into the ground after climbing through a cloud layer. Ceiling was 400ft, I don't think they ever broke out of the clouds and never got much above 1600ft.
While I am not instrument rated or have a pilots license I have actually sat through instrument training classes with some one who is so have a basic understanding of whats required.
How you can say its not a factor is beyond me.
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You said "How you can say its not a factor is beyond me. "
I thought I explained it.
A long time ago I was part of a transplant team, and I remember this being a significant issue. They usually preferred a surgical resident fly over the attending surgeons for that reason.
One of the YouTube pilots that gave his opinion said that those were normal lights inside the plane not an explosionpre-rapid descent.
Recovered CVR from the LR55 in Philly...8ft under grade in the crater
It’s not. By time a pilot gets to this level of aircraft, they have 1,000’s of hours or literal years of instrument time and actual IFR. Thats time spent actually in the clouds and not simulating. Jet aircraft and many turbo props these days are pretty much almost completely flown on instruments, say 99-1%. So at this point in our careers, most of us can fly instruments better than most other things. We don't fall prey to spacial disorientation, we trained for it and have done it so much we can do it completely exhausted.
