Man shot for warrant over a weed eater. Wrong house?

#101
Rio Precision Gunworks said:
I'm sure I'm wasting my time, but for anyone who hasn't taken the time to actually look into it.

- Police had a subject in custody they believe stole the weed eater
- That subject admitted to stealing it and told them where it was (gave them the address)
- They used the subject's confession as probable cause for a warrant
- They went to the house they believed to be that address
- They knocked for several minutes and announced themselves. No answer. (Cameras from other homes show them knocking)
- They expected the house might be empty because the subject was still in custody at police dept
- They made entry and were confronted by the now deceased home owner

It wasn't a no knock warrant. Just a normal warrant supported by the confession of a thief.

All this info is readily available if you just search it, instead of listening to people who play on your emotions and claim there's no answers and such. It should also be a clue when people say they are calling Benjamin Crump.


It does sound like they went to the wrong address and that sucks. However, the reasons for being there are all normal, cut and dry, bare basic police work. I can't speak for the claims that residences move around or numbers are changed, etc.


There's obvious lessons here:

- Police need to spend more time confirming the right address. Especially when they are under the impression no one will be home. As you're going to react a completely different way when you expect no one home and all of sudden someone is there.



- If people claiming to be the police are knocking on your door.....the worst thing you can do is just sit there armed and waiting. Call the police dept and ask if it's actually the police and not someone pretending. Or talk to them through the door and ask what they want. Or open the door if you like.

But the main thing is, while you are absolutely allowed to protect your home, police are allowed to make mistakes. And the odds of you winning that confrontation are very low.

Obviously the police likely made an error, but we have all messed up finding an address (non LE) at some point in our lives. And had the homeowner answered in some sort of way (calling police, or communicating to the police at the door), then what was a very minor mistake could have been fixed and not turned into a shootout.



It's a two way street. The homeowner didn't deserve to be shot. And the police didn't deserve to face an armed subject who refused to answer the door after they (possibly) made a mistake with the address.
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So hypothetically, homeowner calls police, asks if they have sent a bunch of knuckleheads to his address. Dispatch checks and no, nothing at that address (since said knuckleheads are at the wrong address)

Now what? Open door and confront an unknown number of possibly armed assailants?
 
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#102
I'd like to shoot the turds that show up with a trailer and crank up weedeaters and leaf blowers first thing Sat. morning when I'm trying to sleep in.
 
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I had a funny thought as I watched a plane load of face tattooed gangsters take off on its way back to Colombia- ICE has rounded up a few thousand of the worst of the worst and not fired a shot . That really and truly makes local and state police look like the murdering cunts that they are - o yeah did I mention the new kick of beating old people to force a reaction so they can kill and beat more old people ? Not sure if I mentioned that
 
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nagantguy said:
I had a funny thought as I watched a plane load of face tattooed gangsters take off on its way back to Colombia- ICE has rounded up a few thousand of the worst of the worst and not fired a shot . That really and truly makes local and state police look like the murdering cunts that they are - o yeah did I mention the new kick of beating old people to force a reaction so they can kill and beat more old people ? Not sure if I mentioned that
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Now, if we can just get ICE to kick and beat old illegals to force a reaction.
 
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But, entire donut-team-6? In the middle of the night? Even if it was the correct address, it was wrong tactics for a weed-eater.
Maybe the older home-owner was hard of hearing? Maybe living right on a street like that he wears earplugs at night when sleeping and didn't hear anything until the busted in the door?
Did the warrant cover the home or just garage? Why aren't they releasing the warrant?!

nagantguy said:
I had a funny thought as I watched a plane load of face tattooed gangsters take off on its way back to Colombia- ICE has rounded up a few thousand of the worst of the worst and not fired a shot . That really and truly makes local and state police look like the murdering cunts that they are - o yeah did I mention the new kick of beating old people to force a reaction so they can kill and beat more old people ? Not sure if I mentioned that
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To Be Fair... one ICE did just get shot recently arresting an illegal in the north east somewhere.
 
#106
TexPatriot said:
I'd like to shoot the turds that show up with a trailer and crank up weedeaters and leaf blowers first thing Sat. morning when I'm trying to sleep in.
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It's usually the old guys in the neighborhood they love their leafblowers. Even here in Arizona where we have no leaves (it's the desert, no trees) they still fire up that leafblower.
 
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BCP said:
It's usually the old guys in the neighborhood they love their leafblowers. Even here in Arizona where we have no leaves (it's the desert, no trees) they still fire up that leafblower.
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Not here. Here, the old guys here are considerate. It's the big landscape crews that love their backpack leafblowers that go on all fucking day long starting at daylight that need to have ICE called on them.
 
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#110
Rio Precision Gunworks said:
I'm sure I'm wasting my time, but for anyone who hasn't taken the time to actually look into it.

- Police had a subject in custody they believe stole the weed eater
- That subject admitted to stealing it and told them where it was (gave them the address)
- They used the subject's confession as probable cause for a warrant
- They went to the house they believed to be that address
- They knocked for several minutes and announced themselves. No answer. (Cameras from other homes show them knocking)
- They expected the house might be empty because the subject was still in custody at police dept
- They made entry and were confronted by the now deceased home owner

It wasn't a no knock warrant. Just a normal warrant supported by the confession of a thief.

All this info is readily available if you just search it, instead of listening to people who play on your emotions and claim there's no answers and such. It should also be a clue when people say they are calling Benjamin Crump.


It does sound like they went to the wrong address and that sucks. However, the reasons for being there are all normal, cut and dry, bare basic police work. I can't speak for the claims that residences move around or numbers are changed, etc.


There's obvious lessons here:

- Police need to spend more time confirming the right address. Especially when they are under the impression no one will be home. As you're going to react a completely different way when you expect no one home and all of sudden someone is there.



- If people claiming to be the police are knocking on your door.....the worst thing you can do is just sit there armed and waiting. Call the police dept and ask if it's actually the police and not someone pretending. Or talk to them through the door and ask what they want. Or open the door if you like.

But the main thing is, while you are absolutely allowed to protect your home, police are allowed to make mistakes. And the odds of you winning that confrontation are very low.

Obviously the police likely made an error, but we have all messed up finding an address (non LE) at some point in our lives. And had the homeowner answered in some sort of way (calling police, or communicating to the police at the door), then what was a very minor mistake could have been fixed and not turned into a shootout.



It's a two way street. The homeowner didn't deserve to be shot. And the police didn't deserve to face an armed subject who refused to answer the door after they (possibly) made a mistake with the address.
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So...
Riddle me this.

If as you say it was based on a confession and they supposedly had the suspect in custody.

WHY do they need to go storming in during the middle of the night?
Why not simply send a pair of officers around during normal daylight hours like a normal intelligent person would do?

Them deciding to bring a big kill team and do it in the middle of the night says they WANTED to kill somebody.

Any intelligent and not corrupt actual law enforcement would have simply waited till the morning and sent a couple uniformed officers and a car over to go search for it with a search warrant.

Again this is once again about something with a value of anywhere from $100 to at max $800 but probably on the lower end.
 
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W54/XM-388 said:
So...
Riddle me this.

If as you say it was based on a confession and they supposedly had the suspect in custody.

WHY do they need to go storming in during the middle of the night?
Why not simply send a pair of officers around during normal daylight hours like a normal intelligent person would do?

Them deciding to bring a big kill team and do it in the middle of the night says they WANTED to kill somebody.

Any intelligent and not corrupt actual law enforcement would have simply waited till the morning and sent a couple uniformed officers and a car over to go search for it with a search warrant.

Again this is once again about something with a value of anywhere from $100 to at max $800 but probably on the lower end.
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No idea if what Rio posted is accurate in this case, so taking that in mind;

If the theft of the weedwackers is a misdemeanor dollar amount, it’s likely the thief isn’t going to be held in custody for long. Arrest processing, assign a court date, assign a (low) bond amount, and he gets released. Likely only a few hours. Time is not on the side of LE in investigations like this. Serving the warrant while he’s still in custody is the only way to ensure the item hasn’t been moved and their probable cause for the search warrant doesn’t get stale.
 
#112
Anb618 said:
No idea if what Rio posted is accurate in this case, so taking that in mind;

If the theft of the weedwackers is a misdemeanor dollar amount, it’s likely the thief isn’t going to be held in custody for long. Arrest processing, assign a court date, assign a (low) bond amount, and he gets released. Likely only a few hours. Time is not on the side of LE in investigations like this. Serving the warrant while he’s still in custody is the only way to ensure the item hasn’t been moved and their probable cause for the search warrant doesn’t get stale.
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It was all conjecture on his part. But it shows the mentality of the of those brave heroes that put on the uniform and protect the peons. It's just part of the job that some of the peons are collateral damage in their war on crime.
Can you imagine what kind of damage could have been done to someone's lawn had that weedeater gotten into the wrong hands? Fucking chaos!! Anarchy was a pull start away!!! Thank God those fucking heroes were on that wall protecting the other peons in London KY.
 
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W54/XM-388 said:
So...
Riddle me this.

If as you say it was based on a confession and they supposedly had the suspect in custody.

WHY do they need to go storming in during the middle of the night?
Why not simply send a pair of officers around during normal daylight hours like a normal intelligent person would do?

Them deciding to bring a big kill team and do it in the middle of the night says they WANTED to kill somebody.

Any intelligent and not corrupt actual law enforcement would have simply waited till the morning and sent a couple uniformed officers and a car over to go search for it with a search warrant.

Again this is once again about something with a value of anywhere from $100 to at max $800 but probably on the lower end.
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In many states misdemeanor warrants cannot be served at night. I dunno about this one. Kinda odd.
 
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#114
Anb618 said:
Time is not on the side of LE in investigations like this. Serving the warrant while he’s still in custody is the only way to ensure the item hasn’t been moved and their probable cause for the search warrant doesn’t get stale.
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This was a meth head selling a weed eater. Not a one of a kind classic car about to be trafficked in a shipping container to Ukraine for US cash.
 
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When I hear that it's just a few bad cops I find it funny that not a single Jackboot stopped and asked why they were going to kick down a door for a fucking weedeater in the middle of the night. Nope, every single one pulled out a gun and went along for the fun. I bet the stories that they told their wives about the big raid were epic. And probably not an "Ohh Shit" one by any of them when they found out that they killed an innocent man
 
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#118
Rio Precision Gunworks said:
- If people claiming to be the police are knocking on your door.....the worst thing you can do is just sit there armed and waiting.
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We don't know that Mr. Harless knew any of that.

Everybody assumes that folks inside hear the police and are defying them. He may have had a loud TV, heard some banging, armed himself, and had no idea it was police or that they were claiming to be police.

Frankly, at 12 minutes to midnight, I am usually sound asleep.

Things inside do not always sound like things outside, and it takes a while to realize anybody is outside and process what is happening, especially if you are just waking up and trying to put your pants on. That is just the real world.
 
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But on a map at the office of Don McFadden, the county property valuation administrator, the address of Harless’ house is 489 Vanzant Road. The position is typically known as PVA. McFadden said the local 911 system provides his office the addresses shown on that map, indicating the house also would be listed as 489 Vanzant in the 911 system. There is another mobile home about 250 feet from Harless’ house that has a street address of 489 Vanzant, but is shown on the PVA map as 525 Vanzant. A county employee who designates addresses on properties for the 911 system refused comment Thursday.
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Read more at: https://www.kentucky.com/news/state/kentucky/article298309833.html#storylink=cpy
 
#122
Come on now. We all know that it's the fault of the thief. He gave them bogus information. The cops can't be held responsible for using the information given to them by the upstanding known criminal that was trying to do the right thing.


Also I would like to change a word in all of my posts. Change killed to murdered.

And. Rio should never be in a position of authority at any level.
 
#124
DarnYankeeUSMC said:
Come on now. We all know that it's the fault of the thief. He gave them bogus information. The cops can't be held responsible for using the information given to them by the upstanding known criminal that was trying to do the right thing.
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It looks like he gave them correct information, and the police followed the tax parcel system which had incorrect addresses, if I am reading the article in post # 121 correctly. As the article said, the employee responsible for designating the addresses in their system is not commenting . . .
 
#126
25ring said:
Correct me if I'm wrong but I think I read that the weedeater belonged to a local judge magistrate or something. Interesting!
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Yes. In Kentucky that means an executive official, not what most of us think of as a judge, in court, but nevertheless an important local government official. That is the accusation from the beginning, that the police overreacted because of whose weed eater it was.
 
#128
Malum Prohibitum said:
Yes. In Kentucky that means an executive official, not what most of us think of as a judge, in court, but nevertheless an important local government official. That is the accusation from the beginning, that the police overreacted because of whose weed eater it was.
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I grew up in a small town and the political stuff can be over the top hilarious.
 
#130
BurtG said:
Hmm. Wonder what the odds are anyone gets charged and convicted of murder or even manslaughter
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Same as the lottery.

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