Going to get interesting now. Hegseth & DJT are not backing down. I just hope that both realize the importance of INDOPACOM when authoring the NSS & NDS. Not saying that NORTHCOM stuff isn’t important.
ISR against cartel targets???
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Going to get interesting now. Hegseth & DJT are not backing down. I just hope that both realize the importance of INDOPACOM when authoring the NSS & NDS. Not saying that NORTHCOM stuff isn’t important.
I'm scared!! Boo!! Looks like an antifascist coward lil butt humped fag.
It didn't work when the Netherlands tried it. We will have to deal with the cartels sooner or later. It will be hard, because they are so entrenched in the Mexican government. I have a friend who is a Mexican national who owns a large agave farm that's been in his family for generations. He says the corruption is so bad that he barely makes enough profit to make it worth while due to all the palms that have to be greased. He stays armed all the time when he goes to the farm because he gets sideways with the local government (run by the cartel) every now and then. He thinks that sooner or later, they will get tired of his "non-compliance" and come for him.
While it seems like this will kick off i am somewhat sceptical of the unintended consequences, if cartels had any plans to fight this out they are adapting to methods and tech from Ukraine war to be used. Cheap drones galore. Refineries in Texas going up in flames as soon as things kick it of in Mexico.
While US admin has been banning sales of drones in US , i do not think Mexico can enforce anything like that.
While US admin has been banning sales of drones in US , i do not think Mexico can enforce anything like that.
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they are likely going to be using a lot of the stuff we gave Ukraine and that we left in Afganistan,and i am sure that is the case. Zelinsky has obviously sold a lot of our "aid" to the cartels as they are flush with cash. if this happens we are going to have to go majorly Putin on them and there will be a lot of collateral damage prob similar to Gaza. cartels are deeply embedded in Mexico and digging them out won't happen using Mex mil. so,gonna be an air and drone fight it seems and in Mexican territory. that would mean open war with Mex gov,but who cares? cartels are an existential threat that is already deeply placed in the US.
if they do stuff like hit our production and infrastructure ,might need to go Germany/Japan a la ww2.
this would truly be defensive warfare unlike the crap we are doing in Ukraine.
if they do stuff like hit our production and infrastructure ,might need to go Germany/Japan a la ww2.
this would truly be defensive warfare unlike the crap we are doing in Ukraine.
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It took the US military, what 10 years to track down and kill Osma bin laden , and he didn't have the billions of drug dollars at his disposal, it might be tougher than we think to take out the cartels ,plus they employ 1 out of every 5 Mexican citizens , could be a long hard road to get them all, but it can be done ,if the American public has the stomach for it.
We knew where he was but if you take out the leader, several new leaders pop up. Sometimes controlling one leader or weakening one is all that is required. Bin Laden's killing was scripted for US consumption.
Nobody seems to have learned from Prohibition.
As long as the public in the USA keeps demanding to spend billions of dollars a year on drugs, somebody will supply...
The "War on Drugs" was pretty much clearly won by the drugs and what was destroyed was our civil liberties.
Besides the CIA wouldn't enjoy having one of their big funding sources cut off.
Remember when it was all about how bad the Columbians were and it was all about "Columbian Drug Lords" and we were "going to do everything to get rid of them"... I remember.
What happened? Oh the drug trade simply moved to a nice closer more convenient spot in Mexico.
Really the only way to actually stop the drug cartels would be to make drugs legal, have them sold here legitimately made by big pharma and priced low enough to undercut any rivals, then get to work educating people that they would probably best not do these drug things.
Lots of humans will ALWAYS want drugs and alcohol no matter how repressive and draconian you make the laws so the "good folks" can beat off while thinking about having uniform hangers to bad things to people "they don't like".
All that happens when you give the government tons or unlimited power to fight against some less desirable part of human nature, is your own rights get destroyed and you wind up living under the jackboots of the "Thank you for your service" Uniform Hangers because "it's for your own good"...
If you want to get rid of the Drug problem (and let's do alcohol while we are at it), then you need to like convert everyone to religion and have them give it up because they want to.
said the same myself prev. legalization really the only way to without terminal erosion of our civil rights a la the war on drugs. CIA grows them,sells them then DEA and FBI get to play in the game spending more $. a win/win for the feds. legalization with big pharma producing would make them happy. there would be some ability to monitor production and distribution making "bootlegging" difficult. have to keep big pharm from corrupting the process and price gouging like they always have done.
yeah, due to their relatively close proximity and access to targets inside the us, i think whatever actions taken might have to be devastating and as complete in coverage and targeting of cartel leadership as possible.
cartel retaliation against civilians or infrastructure will only solidify their status as terrorists.
cartel retaliation against civilians or infrastructure will only solidify their status as terrorists.
Let the CIA handle that part.
First since there would be no patents allowed, any of the drug companies can try their best to undercut the others.
If they all start getting together and raising prices to where a black market starts becoming likely profitable, have the CIA guys running the show give them a little talking to about not upsetting the nice getting all the money by trying to get too much.
So let's say you get your wish and we go all in and just like blow up half of Mexico and every possible cartel place and grow place and whatever, and we don't care at all about any innocents caught up in it, just let's blow stuff up.
So let's say you actually wipe out the Mexican Drug cartels, which could probably be done if we really didn't care about what Mexico thought or any collateral damage or being nice or international laws or such.
Well there is 200 billion to 500 billion dollars each year depending on who you ask up to be had from folks in this country wanting said drugs.
I'll bet you somebody else steps up quick to take that cash.
You'd pretty much need to turn northern Mexico into a desert and mine field/free fire zone to stop overland transportation from south.
Then well there is drone boats and planes and such.
Smuggling in via sea and air (which has always been a big thing and still will be)
And then worry about the new smuggling route through Canada.
any approach is going to have risks, but i don't think taking out a few drug labs is going to do all that much besides invite retaliation.
if they want to make a dent, i think they have to go after the leadership all at once. that is less than 50 targets or maybe the top 10 from each.
and it isn't just drugs, but human and sex trafficking as well.
this should be painfully obvious. we have frequently trained and aided "allies" who were really enemies sub rosa. VN,Afganistan,ww2,ME. now Mexico-again?
His allegation is that it is prior service SF that are working for the cartels independently to train their teams. That's what caught my attention.
Most of Los Zetas cartel founders were ex military and SF members they also contracted Guatemealan ex SF Kaibiles to train their folks.
Founder list is practicaly all military.
Z-1 – Arturo Guzmán Decena – Mexican Army Special Forces GAFE
Z-2 – Alejandro Lucio Morales Betancourt – Mexican Army Aviation, Military Intelligence, GAFE
Replaced by Rogelio González Pizaña – Federal Judicial Police helicopter pilot
Z-3 – Heriberto Lazcano Lazcano – Mexican Army Special Forces GAFE
Z-4 – Hugo Ponce Salazar – Mexican Army Special Forces GAFE
Z-5 – Luis Alberto Guerrero Reyes – Mexican Army 70th Infantry Battalion, GAFE
Replaced by Braulio Arellano Domínguez – Mexican Army Infantry Forces
Z-6 – Mateo Díaz López – Mexican Army Armored Forces GAFE
Z-7 – Jesús Enrique Rejón Aguilar – Mexican Army Special Forces Ordinance Officer GAFE
Z-8 – Óscar Guerrero Silva – Mexican Army Special Forces Logistics Officer GAFE
Z-9 – Raúl Alberto Trejo Benavides – Mexican Army Special Forces GAFE
Replaced by Galindo Mellado Cruz
Z-10 – Ernesto Zatarín Beliz – Mexican Army Special Forces Communications Officer GAFE
Replaced by Omar Lorméndez Pitalúa – Mexican Army Special Forces GAFE
Z-11 – Galindo Mellado Cruz – Mexican Army Special Forces GAFE
Z-12 – Luis Reyes Enríquez – Mexican Army Special Forces GAFE
Z-13 – Hector Daniel Reyes Reyes – Mexican Army Special Forces GAFE
Z-14 – Efraín Teodoro Torres – Mexican Army Non-Commissioned Officer Infantry Forces
Z-15 – Gustavo González Castro – Mexican Air Force Infantry Forces
Z-16 – Raúl Lucio Hernández Lechuga – Mexican Army Special Forces GAFE
Z-17 – Carlos Vera Calva – Mexican Army Special Forces GAFE
Replaced by Juan Miguel Vizcarra Cruz – Mexican Army Special Forces GAFE
Z-18 – Gonzalo Gerezano Escribano – Mexican Army Special Forces GAFE
Z-19 – Maxiley Barahona Nadales – Mexican Army Special Forces GAFE
Z-20 – Nabor Vargas García – Mexican Army Presidential Guard
Z-22 – Jorge Lucas Hernández Barras – Mexican Army Special Forces GAFE
Z-23 – Flavio Méndez Santiago – Mexican Army Special Forces GAFE
Z-24 – Javier Almazán Baldera – Mexican Army Special Forces GAFE
Z-25 – Germán Torres Jiménez – Mexican Army Infantry Forces
Z-27 – Juan Pedro Saldivar-Farías – Mexican Army Special Forces GAFE
Z-36 – Juan Carlos de la Cruz Reyna – Tamaulipas State Police (Not a founding member but a high-ranking member within the organization)
Z-37 – Ciro González Pérez – Mexican Army Special Forces GAFE
Z-44 – Sergio Enrique Ruiz-Tlapanco – Mexican Army Federal Judicial Police
Instead of just doing basic searches to put stuff on the forum that has no relation to the convo, listen to the video and what Mosin and I are talking about - prior service members from the US training them.
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