ISR against cartel targets???

[232593]

While I agree with your general premise, that cannot be done until there is absolutely no welfare system in place for them (other than individuals trying to help)- otherwise it would finish us off financially faster that the last administration

Society has to be ready to completely look the other way as these people rot and die in their neighborhoods, and there are negative secondary effects.

If we were just talking cocaine, pot and maybe heroin it wouldn't be near as risky - it would still wreak havoc on society eventually. But with Fentanyl, Tranq and these synthetics - a brick into a local water supply would kill millions in a few days. ~2mg fatal dose.

In course that I took years ago, the block of instruction on Systems Analysis featured a tour of the KC water treatment plant. I brought up the question about toxins being placed in the water supply and the manager for all intents and purposes “Laughed in millions of gallons of water a day throughput”. O interesting enough, he was far more concerned about the fluoride containers at the facility.

 

[BurtG]

It’s not free. Just look at your taxes and current health insurance rates. They’re raping us that carry our own weight.

No shit free for them

 

[Fig]

Oh no, you’re slightly mistaking me. I have no doubts that the US military could wipe the drug cartels out. The problem is that, precisely because all of that shit is illegal there will just be another more horrible group to take over the illicit drug trade

Depends on how deep you're willing to go. If you kill everyone in the supply chain and then follow it all back to China and kill them too it will take many decades to rebuild it to where it is today.

You have to treat it like cancer, cut out everything a skilled surgeon can get, and then irradiate the fuck out of it till not a single cell is left.

Trump can do it.

 

[The D]

Depends on how deep you're willing to go. If you kill everyone in the supply chain and then follow it all back to China and kill them too it will take many decades to rebuild it to where it is today.

You have to treat it like cancer, cut out everything a skilled surgeon can get, and then irradiate the fuck out of it till not a single cell is left.

Trump can do it.

Would be infinitely easier to end the worthless war on drugs and spend a tiny fraction of that wasted $$$ on some legit education

 

[stefan73]

Depends on how deep you're willing to go. If you kill everyone in the supply chain and then follow it all back to China and kill them too it will take many decades to rebuild it to where it is today.

You have to treat it like cancer, cut out everything a skilled surgeon can get, and then irradiate the fuck out of it till not a single cell is left.

Trump can do it.

If you want to win, you have to go all in!! You can't half ass a fight and leave a safe haven that allows the enemy to regroup, plan and re-attack! Like Afghanistan, Iraq etc, you need to pursue, find, fix and my favorite, finish!
Sometimes a little doctrine gets me all amped up, especially when we get to execute it violently!

 

[lariat]

Why should we care about the cartels in Mexico if we stop the flow of drugs? That’s Mexico’s problem. This whole conversation jumps over the obvious solution and goes straight to eradicating an issue that doesn’t exist if we do the important thing right. If we don’t then even if we were to eradicate every cartel another would fill the vacuum because of the insane profits.

 

[232593]

If you want to win, you have to go all in!! You can't half ass a fight and leave a safe haven that allows the enemy to regroup, plan and re-attack! Like Afghanistan, Iraq etc, you need to pursue, find, fix and my favorite, finish!
Sometimes a little doctrine gets me all amped up, especially when we get to execute it violently!

I’m more of a D3A kind of guy myself.

 

[Fig]

I suppose it's a difference in how we view incredibly addictive and debilitating drugs. On the one hand some people think it's a choice and a matter of free will and liberty to put anything you want in your body. While this sounds good and comes from a liberty minded place, the reality is that these substances rob a person of their very free will and in short order all they care about is getting more to the detriment of everything else in this reality.

So, really, I frame it the same way that you do in as much as our liberty as human beings is what's at stake. People are going to do drugs, full stop. Fighting drugs is like fighting crime in general. It's an eternal struggle that will never end as long as there are humans to addict, and money to be made.

I think that fighting a synthetically made drug that comes from overseas is very different than trying to fight a naturally occurring weed, or drugs that can be refined/distilled from local or foreign plants. However, I think that societal impacts from any of it needs to be taken into account. It's not as simple as people want to make it, and I am skeptical about "education" as well. There is a shiton of anti-vaping education going on in schools today, and it is crazy how many kids are doing it. The cure is probably worse than the affliction.

I'm willing to look at and consider anything, but I think in terms of fentanyl, specifically, this is state sponsored and intended as a direct attack on our homeland. It kills and cripples our people while making our enemies billions of our dollars. I think it's high time we roll this shit up with the cartels in Mexico using the full power of our military, but not stopping there. Just replace Carthage with Cartels. Carthago delenda est.

 

[lariat]

Also, quite a few here have said to go ful libertarian and let the drugs kill off the addicts if that their choice, and that society would be better off. Well, in order to do that you need the cartels to run the drugs up to do just that. So, which is it - secure the border so that drugs are greatly diminished, kill the cartels for supplying demand in the country (and have more servicemen die to engage them) or let it in and let people choose? The arguments made over the years here are in conflict with each other. It's almost like some here are jumping around to the topic du jour and offering myopic, one-dimensional comments while being inconsistent.

 

[cas6969]

Legalize everything. Take the money out of it. Ban nar can.

I've long said legalize everything, with zero tolerance. Get popped for ANY crime, no matter how small, and you test positive for any substance, done.
Burglary? Dead. Assault? Dead. DUI? Dead. Shoplifting? Dead. Blue collar, white collar, dead. It'll sort itself out real quick.

Or as some comedians have suggested, make drug states. Fence off areas of the country and provide them will all the free drugs they can use. That too will sort itself out.

 

[The D]

I suppose it's a difference in how we view incredibly addictive and debilitating drugs. On the one hand some people think it's a choice and a matter of free will and liberty to put anything you want in your body. While this sounds good and comes from a liberty minded place, the reality is that these substances rob a person of their very free will and in short order all they care about is getting more to the detriment of everything else in this reality.

So, really, I frame it the same way that you do in as much as our liberty as human beings is what's at stake. People are going to do drugs, full stop. Fighting drugs is like fighting crime in general. It's an eternal struggle that will never end as long as there are humans to addict, and money to be made.

I think that fighting a synthetically made drug that comes from overseas is very different than trying to fight a naturally occurring weed, or drugs that can be refined/distilled from local or foreign plants. However, I think that societal impacts from any of it needs to be taken into account. It's not as simple as people want to make it, and I am skeptical about "education" as well. There is a shiton of anti-vaping education going on in schools today, and it is crazy how many kids are doing it. The cure is probably worse than the affliction.

I'm willing to look at and consider anything, but I think in terms of fentanyl, specifically, this is state sponsored and intended as a direct attack on our homeland. It kills and cripples our people while making our enemies billions of our dollars. I think it's high time we roll this shit up with the cartels in Mexico using the full power of our military, but not stopping there. Just replace Carthage with Cartels. Carthago delenda est.

I had this whole long post typed out but I realized it’s all shit that I know you know. Prohibition doesn’t work and will never work. And using violence to try to fix an issue like this is one million percent the wrong way to keep proceeding

 

[BipThatInstance]

Large amount of the cartels are US-based, or at least, their leadership and "legit" side is all based in the US.

It's more than drugs. A large part of it is human trafficking for labor slavery, sex, or both.

You would need to kill a ton of figureheads sure, but also lawyers, judges, politicians on both sides of the border plus all of SOUTHCOM. You'll need to kill a decent amount of dudes north of the border too. The lawyer who owns PornHub and his PE firm, as well as all of the engineering teams in Seattle who run their infrastructure, loads of folks with the ISPs and cloud service providers.

Then you'll need to bushwhack a large amount of folks working for unions and anyone involved in shipping, car manufacturing, chemicals, POLs, etc.

Which I fully support. But we all know that the "gray" side of this will never be touched and that all that happens is some SMUs get sent in for high profile ops, we give the Mexicans some "wins" by letting their Marines and NP hit a few lower level guys, we bring RICO charges on some folks, maybe we bag a judge or a few cops, and then we put in a much scarier cartel just like we did in 2004.

While everyone was distracted with the Iraq Invasion we inserted all of the nazis into Ukraine in 2004 and also reconsolidated the cartels, y'all forget?

 

[stefan73]

I’m more of a D3A kind of guy myself.

Decide, Detect, Deliver and Assess

A great planning tool.

 

[stefan73]

I had this whole long post typed out but I realized it’s all shit that I know you know. Prohibition doesn’t work and will never work. And using violence to try to fix an issue like this is one million percent the wrong way to keep proceeding

Yeah, but violence against shitheads is fun and makes me feel good

 

[The D]

Yeah, but violence against shitheads is fun and makes me feel good

Correct. But people who just want get a little high at the end of the day aren’t shitheads

 

[Jscb1b]

ASGH.

 

[Fig]

Correct. But people who just want get a little high at the end of the day aren’t shitheads

Get a little high on fentanyl? We already made your weed legal. Some drugs just aren’t “recreational”.

 

[Mike Casselton]

Lately the issue has been a lack of respect for the capabilities of an actual organized and equipped full time military directed by MILITARY LEADERS with some balls. It’s time to let the dogs off their leashes. A few weeks, a few hundred deaths of scum instead of just generic sand people, and the borderlands will leap to police themselves.

FIFY

 

[BurtG]

I'm willing to look at and consider anything, but I think in terms of fentanyl, specifically, this is state sponsored and intended as a direct attack on our homeland. It kills and cripples our people while making our enemies billions of our dollars. I think it's high time we roll this shit up with the cartels in Mexico using the full power of our military

Gotta bomb Chyna to get to the source


They say it’s fair play for something we did with opium to them in the 1920s. I’m not versed on that history

 

[The D]

Get a little high on fentanyl? We already made your weed legal. Some drugs just aren’t “recreational”.

Maybe, I don’t know. It doesn’t matter what the substance is, making it illegal doesn’t stop anything. It only makes everything associated with it more dangerous

 

[gigamortis]

Take seized drugs, jack up the fentanyl content, and put it back on the street. The demand will go down.

With decreased demand, the cartels will start eliminating other cartel competition in order to keep their prices up. Once only one or two cartels are left, they will be a lot easier to eliminate.

 

[232593]

Gotta bomb Chyna to get to the source


They say it’s fair play for something we did with opium to them in the 1920s. I’m not versed on that history

I thought it was the Brits that did that back in the day?

But yes, bomb the fucking CHICOMs and their COVID labs to oblivion.

Or

Reroute the drug trade into China.

 

[Jsp556]

No shit free for them

I got your point. I just hate paying for freeloaders and saw an opportunity to voice displeasure.

 

[kl3309]

They say it’s fair play for something we did with opium to them in the 1920s. I’m not versed on that history

I thought it was the Brits that did that back in the day?

While Britain and later, the US, did participate in the opium trade in East Asia from the early/mid-1800s, Japan controlled the drug trade following the Sino-Japanese War of 1894-5 through to the end of WWII.
Japan was ceded Formosa by treaty with China in 1895, and used the island to produce opium. The proceeds, in part, would finance Japanese expansion in the Pacific.
The US, aligned with the then League of Nations, actually took part in efforts to curtail International opium trafficking from the early 1910s.
(Or something like that.)

 

[SilentStalkr]

Where do I sign up?

 

[DarnYankeeUSMC]

All the world is a stage.

Cocaine in Coca-Cola and many other products contained other narcotics that you could buy over the counter to cure all kinds of infirmaries. A.The government stepped in to regulate.
B. Covid has exposed how deep the government is in bed with big pharma and the media (Pravda)
C.Government declared war on drugs decades ago and not long ago the war on opioids.
D. Big pharma played a major role in getting people addicted.
E. The government (certain alphabet agencies) have been a key player in the illicit drug industry around the world for many decades.
F. The government is eyeballs deep in psychological warfare with the populace.
I could add more but you get the picture.
Now ask yourself why they are using trigger words like "Cartel"? Who's been pushing stories about cops needing narcan because they touched some container or some bullshit. The number of over dose deaths before the war on opioids was less than 40K/year now it's around 120K due to using street drugs.

The government has a proven format. Create a problem. Amplify the problem. Present the solution. Something tells me that they already have a "Patriot Act" type bill already written. They are just waiting for the most opportune time to spring it.
Some of you are all ready to run through the jungles of central and south America to kill cartel. Also known as Hook Line and Sinker.

Why are you not asking yourself what are they up to?

 

[LuckyDuck]

I frequently remind folks that the cross-border drug trade isn’t one sided. It isn’t a multi-billion dollar industry, just because it ships drugs across our border. It’s a multi-billion dollar industry due to a multi-billion dollar APPETITE, inside our border. There is some serious levels of consumption in the USA, and those people are every level: from school teachers, to attorneys and judges, to physicians, to engineers and pilots, and air traffic controllers. There’s no serious “ war on drugs” as long as so many people are enslaved. It’s not only the wired posturing people on skid row, it is a significant number of the expletives right around you, from county office clerks to your surgeon, LEO, and fire, teachers, and politicians at all levels. , …billions of dollars worth of American noses. Look around your work. Somebody is using. Might only be one, but it’s there.

I regret that I have but one 'thumbs up' to give your post. Well said sir.

-LD

 

[LuckyDuck]

I've long said legalize everything, with zero tolerance. Get popped for ANY crime, no matter how small, and you test positive for any substance, done.
Burglary? Dead. Assault? Dead. DUI? Dead. Shoplifting? Dead. Blue collar, white collar, dead. It'll sort itself out real quick.

Or as some comedians have suggested, make drug states. Fence off areas of the country and provide them will all the free drugs they can use. That too will sort itself out.

I'm not following your train of thought with this one. If we have legalized it then what difference would it make should one test positive? Legalizing it and 'zero tolerance' are mutually exclusive approaches

 

[LuckyDuck]

All the world is a stage.

Cocaine in Coca-Cola and many other products contained other narcotics that you could buy over the counter to cure all kinds of infirmaries. A.The government stepped in to regulate.
B. Covid has exposed how deep the government is in bed with big pharma and the media (Pravda)
C.Government declared war on drugs decades ago and not long ago the war on opioids.
D. Big pharma played a major role in getting people addicted.
E. The government (certain alphabet agencies) have been a key player in the illicit drug industry around the world for many decades.
F. The government is eyeballs deep in psychological warfare with the populace.
I could add more but you get the picture.
Now ask yourself why they are using trigger words like "Cartel"? Who's been pushing stories about cops needing narcan because they touched some container or some bullshit. The number of over dose deaths before the war on opioids was less than 40K/year now it's around 120K due to using street drugs.

The government has a proven format. Create a problem. Amplify the problem. Present the solution. Something tells me that they already have a "Patriot Act" type bill already written. They are just waiting for the most opportune time to spring it.
Some of you are all ready to run through the jungles of central and south America to kill cartel. Also known as Hook Line and Sinker.

Why are you not asking yourself what are they up to?

Nailed it- completely agree.

-LD

 

[Holliday]

 

[232593]

She needs to ensure she’s on the gAyTF’s internal distro so she doesn’t ask retarded questions like this:

 

[Eostech]

Large amount of the cartels are US-based, or at least, their leadership and "legit" side is all based in the US.

Because they need a place to launder tens of billions of dollars.

The US is a hell of a lot better place to invest money into than Mexico.

 

[ironman56]

I worked on KC 135's 50 years ago and my dad worked on them before I was born , gotta be the best airframe ever built. Them and the B52's sure have had a long life in the Air Force inventory.

 

[Holliday]

 

[Fig]

Politically speaking only...who is going to cry for the cartels if we unleash the US Military on them? Do the Democrats, the left, and the libertarian right believe they are going to be in the majority crying for the Mexican billionaires and their paid militaries? You want to talk about "collateral damage"? You want to talk about the human trafficking and fentanyl deaths in THIS country? The cartels will go full Pali Tango and surround themselves with children and civilians when we start air striking them, and the left will go bananas, which is why them going bananas over waste and fraud is so wrong for them. You simply cannot stay at crazy for too long or everyone will start understanding that you ARE crazy.

You can argue the efficacy of taking this to the next level on them, but you can't argue the politics. This is yet another 80/20 issue for Trump.

 

[Rthur]

They've known where these fuckers were for a long time.
I see this as a game.
Knowing the above what does that tell you?...


R

 

[232593]

Politically speaking only...who is going to cry for the cartels if we unleash the US Military on them? Do the Democrats, the left, and the libertarian right believe they are going to be in the majority crying for the Mexican billionaires and their paid militaries? You want to talk about "collateral damage"? You want to talk about the human trafficking and fentanyl deaths in THIS country? The cartels will go full Pali Tango and surround themselves with children and civilians when we start air striking them, and the left will go bananas, which is why them going bananas over waste and fraud is so wrong for them. You simply cannot stay at crazy for too long or everyone will start understanding that you ARE crazy.

You can argue the efficacy of taking this to the next level on them, but you can't argue the politics. This is yet another 80/20 issue for Trump.

Guarantee the degenerate subhumans on the left will cry for the cartel’s.

I think unleashing the military on the left FIRST would be a better course of action.

 

[Fig]

Well, they're crying for USAID, so you are wise to put nothing past them at all.

 

[stefan73]

She needs to ensure she’s on the gAyTF’s internal distro so she doesn’t ask retarded questions like this:

View attachment 8613551

Well Fast and Furious wasn't "military" weapons.
US via the State Department has been selling weapons to Mexico which the corrupt Mexican Government sells to the Cartels.
https://www.dsca.mil/search/node?keys=mexico I believe this is just for FY24 but I could be wrong.

Technical Difficulties

 

[232593]

Well Fast and Furious wasn't "military" weapons.
US via the State Department has been selling weapons to Mexico which the corrupt Mexican Government sells to the Cartels.
https://www.dsca.mil/search/node?keys=mexico I believe this is just for FY24 but I could be wrong.

Technical Difficulties

Fair point. But when her type refers to “Military” weapons that could be anything.

 

[stefan73]

Fair point. But when her type refers to “Military” weapons that could be anything.

Yes, sadly many people are ignorant of firearms and don't know the differences.

If I was Mexico I would have sued or sought legal actions via sanctions or other and directly named Obama and Holder for illegally sending firearms to Mexican Cartels.

 

[Darryle]

Well Fast and Furious wasn't "military" weapons.
US via the State Department has been selling weapons to Mexico which the corrupt Mexican Government sells to the Cartels.
https://www.dsca.mil/search/node?keys=mexico I believe this is just for FY24 but I could be wrong.

Technical Difficulties

I don't see any optical dazzlers on that list

 

[stefan73]

I don't see any optical dazzlers on that list

I'm sure they have a few. I believe that was just for FY24 (I didn't dig deep, just a cursory google search).

 

[mosin46]

well,ATF gave (sold?) them some weapons,as we all know. what kind,how many? Zelenskyy has no doubt sold them many,many. in that would likely be included real mil weapons-drones,anti tank rockets,crew served weapons prob a long list.

 

[Big Phish]

well,ATF gave (sold?) them some weapons,as we all know. what kind,how many? Zelenskyy has no doubt sold them many,many. in that would likely be included real mil weapons-drones,anti tank rockets,crew served weapons prob a long list.

Obuma had giving them a shitton from fast and furious fiasco but i am quite sure a lot of it that we still don’t know from all lying secrets. It sure could be even more than that let out to stray us.

 

[DarnYankeeUSMC]

Yes, sadly many people are ignorant of firearms and don't know the differences.

If I was Mexico I would have sued or sought legal actions via sanctions or other and directly named Obama and Holder for illegally sending firearms to Mexican Cartels.

And they would have shut off the legit money and the hidden money. So they were better off keeping their mouth shut and doing what they were told. They might not be gay but $20 is $20