What happened to Conservatism

In typical fashion anything not 100% adopted by the left is 'conservative'.

This too.

For some reason, Environmental Conservationism is Liberal, and Drill-Bubbah-Spill is Conservative.

If the first Lobbyist on Capitol Hill made a left instead of a right, we might be living in a world where the Oil Men were on the other side and a love of the outdoors and a desire to protect our natural resources were still conservative ideals.
 
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This too.

For some reason, Environmental Conservationism is Liberal, and Drill-Bubbah-Spill is Conservative.

If the first Lobbyist on Capitol Hill made a left instead of a right, we might be living in a world where the Oil Men were on the other side and a love of the outdoors and a desire to protect our natural resources were still conservative ideals.
It doesn't make for good news coverage to say that the libertarians are pissed at some position. All of this bipolar bullshit is a creature of the media.

It's always good vs bad, right vs left, etc. There is never grey area and never nuance. The fact that this type of thing exists makes us collectively much more stupid as a society.
 
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Conservatives lined up on X to congratulate the conservative influencer former cam-girl Ashley St. Clair Aka “Smashley” AKA @Sexlaptop on her announcement of having Elon Musk’s child out of wedlock.

During the Republican convention a pornstar gave a speech during primetime in front of then candidate Trump while running a sale on her Onlyfans.

Megyn Kelly claims she is a conservative now:

“Ladies, it is possible to make your own money, have your own career, pay for your own swanky nyc apartment (etc), AND find a man who loves you, wants to have & raise kids w/you & wants to be w/you and only you,” she wrote in a viral post on X




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Conservatism shot itself in the head by never conserving anything and joining the “progressive movement “ in looting the republic all the while protecting pedos and telling all the gullible boomers about family values and where they go to church .
It died about the time Regan started selling South American coke to arm Iraq.
 
All of this bipolar bullshit is a creature of the media.

It also comes from the desire among low IQ individuals for all the monkeys in their tree to wear the same label, chase the other monkeys into a different tree, and then screech and throw poop at them.

The Hollywood liberal icon and former US President Ronald Reagan famously said, "I didn't leave the Democratic party, the Democratic Party left me." In truth, he brought gun control, gayness, mass migration, and undisciplined deficit spending into the Republican Party.

Liberalism and Conservatism stayed the same- and if you know what these words mean, you don't have to fight your own brain to say otherwise.

It died about the time Regan started selling South American coke to arm Iraq.

LOL- It was selling weapons to IRAN (the opposite of Iraq) to get the hostages released from Hezbollah and then using the cash to buy weapons for the Contras to use against the Sandinistas. Hustling coca came later, because the Righteous Slay was so good, we just couldn't let it stop.

Selling drugs is a venial sin and slaying Commies is a cardinal virtue though... so it all worked out in the positive.
 
Conservatism shot itself in the head by never conserving anything and joining the “progressive movement “ in looting the republic all the while protecting pedos and telling all the gullible boomers about family values and where they go to church .
It died about the time Regan started selling South American coke to arm Iraq.

Not entirely wrong

I have more respect for Libtards than “Conservatives” like OP
 
Why act surprised?
When money is involved and oversight doesn't exist, inevitable.
Human nature isn't divine.
This ^^^ is a perfect description of the old guard team red enjoyed for decades.
Mitch?
Mitt?
McCain?
Ect.
Supposed gentlemen of civic duty, what a fucking farce.

The guy that decided to join in 2015ish didn't fuck it up.
It was done long ago.

Any implication that Donnie did it is just TDS

I want a MFr that will burn the fucker to the ground if needs be to show the graft and waste.

They say that it, government, is a reflection of the morality of the people.

R
 
Someone explain to me what conservatism is. There has been so much movement toward socialism that I'm not sure anyone knows any longer. I can't spout anything from the Constitution or the BOR without a person who identifies as a "right wing conservative" will say "yes, but...". In this country you can be anything but a Christian, even conservatives who aren't will have angst regarding your position. You can be for state's rights until it comes to something that triggers their personal burr under their saddle that requires a Supreme Court injunction to make them happy. Conservatives by and large are as selfish as anyone else in this day and age.

What is a true conservative? It's an honest question because at this point all I know is that I want to be left alone and left free to do as I please. I'm not violating the Constitution as written, not looking to change it and not desiring to impede others in their personal lives to fit my will. But I also don't like the morality of the country and wish it were more moral. But morality is what I personally define, as we all do.

So what is a conservative any longer? I have an easier time identifying a liberal than a conservative. Hell at this point I don't even know what a true libertarian looks like. Honestly, I feel like my faith and my desire for the ability to live my life as I see fit makes me an outcast in almost every group. It seems as though everyone is required to fit into some group like it's a damn high school. I just want to do my thing and I don't require anyone to conform to what I am. But I do want the country better for the next generation, which requires rules that benefit all. IMO that is the Constitution. Half the people I see claiming to be conservatives are sleeping around, doing drugs, and generally being selfish. And that doesn't include politicians - they are much worse from what I see.
I think this is the point and how they want to destroy American freedom and individualism, you either buy into the red blue kayfabe and all of the cognitive dissonance therein to be on a team or you are an outsider and enemy to both herds. If you're demoralized and keep your mouth shut they are free to control the narrative
 
Our politicians have realized that making us hate each makes it easier to get reelected. Our media sells hate because it keeps people watching. This isn't good for our country but the folks selling the hate expect to be protected by the government or safely retired elsewhere when the bill for all this hating comes due.
 
Q: What is "Conservatism?"
A: "Progressivism" going the speed limit.

Really, a beautifully written article from someone who believes Reagan was a "conservative."
You know him.......that liberal from California who rose to fame 50 years ago.

It's the type of article your political opponent would publish as a "shame them for lack of ideological purity" strategy.
A common tactic employed when your political teeth are biting the curb and you know the boot is coming.
Strategically adjacent to the Left's "tactical libertarianism".

I'm thrilled to see that modern "conservatives" haven't lost their "wise as doves, and innocent as serpents" quality.
I wouldn't know what to do with myself if they were any more than a speed bump against the satanic death cult.
 
This too.

For some reason, Environmental Conservationism is Liberal, and Drill-Bubbah-Spill is Conservative.

If the first Lobbyist on Capitol Hill made a left instead of a right, we might be living in a world where the Oil Men were on the other side and a love of the outdoors and a desire to protect our natural resources were still conservative ideals.
You can harvest your natural resources while still protecting natural resources.


And .gov does a great job when unfettered.
See Canadian wolves
See decimation of western game animals
See destruction of forests by the proliferation of disease carrying car crop and human destroying long legged rats
 
Conservatism shot itself in the head by never conserving anything and joining the “progressive movement “ in looting the republic all the while protecting pedos and telling all the gullible boomers about family values and where they go to church .
It died about the time Regan started selling South American coke to arm Iraq.
Conservatism & libertarianism are fine so long as the left doesn’t exist. You can’t live and let live with leftists. If you are conserving that means you are defending, defense is a horrible position to be in. You either Pinochet/Franco them or they WILL Mao/Stalin you.

The good news is that there is a political ideology that has successfully dealt with the left in the past. Perhaps it’s time to bring it back.
 
You can harvest your natural resources while still protecting natural resources.


And .gov does a great job when unfettered.
See Canadian wolves
See decimation of western game animals
See destruction of forests by the proliferation of disease carrying car crop and human destroying long legged rats
Purpose of a system/ideology is what it does.
 
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Conservatives lined up on X to congratulate the conservative influencer former cam-girl Ashley St. Clair Aka “Smashley” AKA @Sexlaptop on her announcement of having Elon Musk’s child out of wedlock.

During the Republican convention a pornstar gave a speech during primetime in front of then candidate Trump while running a sale on her Onlyfans.

Megyn Kelly claims she is a conservative now:

“Ladies, it is possible to make your own money, have your own career, pay for your own swanky nyc apartment (etc), AND find a man who loves you, wants to have & raise kids w/you & wants to be w/you and only you,” she wrote in a viral post on X




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This is kinda where I was thinking

Why act surprised?
When money is involved and oversight doesn't exist, inevitable.
Human nature isn't divine.
This ^^^ is a perfect description of the old guard team red enjoyed for decades.
Mitch?
Mitt?
McCain?
Ect.
Supposed gentlemen of civic duty, what a fucking farce.

The guy that decided to join in 2015ish didn't fuck it up.
It was done long ago.

Any implication that Donnie did it is just TDS

I want a MFr that will burn the fucker to the ground if needs be to show the graft and waste.

They say that it, government, is a reflection of the morality of the people.

R

Surprisingly, I mostly agree. My thought is not "Donald Trump ruined this" its we are willing to hitch our ride to someone as flawed as DJT because they alternatives were that much worse. Bush Sr. appointed Souter. Jr was supposed to be against nation building/aka non interventionist. Reagan promised immigration reform. Contract with America lasted about 90 days before they got their hands in the till. Every freakin dem since time began runs on anti-immigration/remove govt waste until election day.

I just think its a dangerous game becuase as the "law and order/respect principals" we start off fighting with one hand behind our back, so when someone actually fights we are automatically attracted to them.


I see the Mitch and Liz fan club wanted their own thread.
Thanks for proving my point that most idiots in here can't read and/or think.
 
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Q: What is "Conservatism?"
A: "Progressivism" going the speed limit.

Really, a beautifully written article from someone who believes Reagan was a "conservative."
You know him.......that liberal from California who rose to fame 50 years ago.

It's the type of article your political opponent would publish as a "shame them for lack of ideological purity" strategy.
A common tactic employed when your political teeth are biting the curb and you know the boot is coming.
Strategically adjacent to the Left's "tactical libertarianism".

I'm thrilled to see that modern "conservatives" haven't lost their "wise as doves, and innocent as serpents" quality.
I wouldn't know what to do with myself if they were any more than a speed bump against the satanic death cult.
This x 1000, there might be hope for us after all.
 
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This is kinda where I was thinking



Surprisingly, I mostly agree. My thought is not "Donald Trump ruined this" its we are willing to hitch our ride to someone as flawed as DJT because they alternatives were that much worse. Bush Sr. appointed Souter. Jr was supposed to be against nation building/aka non interventionist. Reagan promised immigration reform. Contract with America lasted about 90 days before they got their hands in the till. Every freakin dem since time began runs on anti-immigration/remove govt waste until election day.

I just think its a dangerous game becuase as the "law and order/respect principals" we start off fighting with one hand behind our back, so when someone actually fights we are automatically attracted to them.



Thanks for proving my point that most idiots in here can't read and/or think.

Bill Kristol playing his song on the world's tiniest violin over here
 

DIsmantling the govt is a good thing--what they replace it with (and all indication is they will replace it with SOMETHING)? There's my concern.

Despite what half the idiots in here think, a real goal would be to replace it with NOTHING. Reminds me of Lord of the Rings. THe whole concept to "win" Instead of using your ultimate power to defeat your opponents, use your ultimate power to destroy the system and replace it with nothing.

So while Trump is Deporting and Dismantling? Good for him
When he or admin quotes Louis XIV or acts like a censoring leftist?--buddy we gonna have issues.
Example FTFA: Its not that he renamed the Gulf of Mexico, its that
A) Was this the most urgent matter?
B) Why shun people who refuse? Isn't this just the pronoun Nazis in reverse? Do we hate pronouns Nazis? Or just when they are in charge?
 
DIsmantling the govt is a good thing--what they replace it with (and all indication is they will replace it with SOMETHING)? There's my concern.

Despite what half the idiots in here think, a real goal would be to replace it with NOTHING. Reminds me of Lord of the Rings. THe whole concept to "win" Instead of using your ultimate power to defeat your opponents, use your ultimate power to destroy the system and replace it with nothing.

So while Trump is Deporting and Dismantling? Good for him
When he or admin quotes Louis XIV or acts like a censoring leftist?--buddy we gonna have issues.
Example FTFA: Its not that he renamed the Gulf of Mexico, its that
A) Was this the most urgent matter?
B) Why shun people who refuse? Isn't this just the pronoun Nazis in reverse? Do we hate pronouns Nazis? Or just when they are in charge?
"they" renamed all kinds of shit...even my fucking pancake syrup. didn't hear a peep from the AP communist press.
fuck them. being allowed in the briefing room is a privilege. they can report from outside.

i also don't give a fuck about the name...but if you claim to be journalists, i think there is an obligation to be truthful. they are not.
 
Trump was a dem for the longest time until he ran for President. Sometimes, the best republican is a former democrat. The reason both dems and repubs hate him is because he fights like a dem.

I like Gulf of America. What's important about it? How about a bit of national pride?

I am getting God damned sick and tired of being shit on because of being american. And yes, the country has problems. So, instead whining and crying in the corner, hound you rep and senator every. single. day. That is, instead of us being called idiots because of who we support, go after the ones actually in the positions of power and office.

Implying that those of us who support or vote Trump are misled at best, idiots at worst, does not actually fix a God damned thing. Have a solution instead of endless bitch, bitch, bitch,....
 
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"they" renamed all kinds of shit...even my fucking pancake syrup. didn't hear a peep from the AP communist press.
fuck them. being allowed in the briefing room is a privilege. they can report from outside.

i also don't give a fuck about the name...but if you claim to be journalists, i think there is an obligation to be truthful. they are not.
I think you missed the point. (and for the record i could give 2 shits what you call it)

Doing the right thing but behaving just like a dem, really isn't right. And its not really a defense of journalism (who's sins are many). Now that "we" have power are we any different than the assholes we just defeated if we act the same way. We're falling into the democract trap of "Hey we got power, lets use it to our advantage for our gain" (Which always comes back to bite them in the ass)

Rather it should be

"We got power, lets make sure no one can ever abuse it again" The trick is imagine if a Democrat did the same thing? If that pisses you off, then its not good because chances are, a democrat will be back in office.

ANd to be clear, Trump is not the problem. 80+ years of New Deal Politics and sycophants in the Republican party are the problem. Trump is the result. But is this really the result we want? Or a temporary painkiller that gives us a few years peace. We've been so hard pressed/overtaxed/lied too/oppressed that we welcome the temporary relief, not thinking of the long term consequences.

And some will argue that jumping off a cliff to avoid disaster at least gives you a few seconds to try and learn to fly. Where we are at? They aren't wrong. But you also gotta realize, the ground is gonna come up right quick.
 
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I think you missed the point. (and for the record i could give 2 shits what you call it)

Doing the right thing but behaving just like a dem, really isn't right. And its not really a defense of journalism (who's sins are many). Now that "we" have power are we any different than the assholes we just defeated if we act the same way. We're falling into the democract trap of "Hey we got power, lets use it to our advantage for our gain" (Which always comes back to bite them in the ass)

Rather it should be

"We got power, lets make sure no one can ever abuse it again" The trick is imagine if a Democrat did the same thing? If that pisses you off, then its not good because chances are, a democrat will be back in office.

ANd to be clear, Trump is not the problem. 80+ years of New Deal Politics and sycophants in the Republican party are the problem. Trump is the result. But is this really the result we want? Or a temporary painkiller that gives us a few years peace. We've been so hard pressed/overtaxed/lied too/oppressed that we welcome the temporary relief, not thinking of the long term consequences.

And some will argue that jumping off a cliff to avoid disaster at least gives you a few seconds to try and learn to fly. Where we are at? They aren't wrong. But you also gotta realize, the ground is gonna come up right quick.
i believe i see your point, but the dishonest left-wing media is the enemy of the people.
an example must be made, and they must be exposed.

 
i believe i see your point, but the dishonest left-wing media is the enemy of the people.
an example must be made, and they must be exposed.


Exactly. THe "media" needs to be exposed, but I don't think banning them from press conferences over naming conventions is the way.

Its not like there is a PILE of evidence of their malfesence. All y ou gotta do is just hammer them with the truth (like the current press secretary). But the point is, next cycle, some dem gets elected and now unless you refer to Ze/Zir pronouns you can't attend press conferences? Yeah we're right back where we started.
 
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Yeah and right now conservatism is
1.) Fuck the Dems.

We have become the monster we seek to destroy.
The rich and powerful have the rest of of fighting each other because it makes us easier to control. I suspect this is how it has always been and always will be unless we manage to blow up the entire planet doing something really stupid.
 
Implying that those of us who support or vote Trump are misled at best, idiots at worst, does not actually fix a God damned thing. Have a solution instead of endless bitch, bitch, bitch,....

That goes against the core principles of "Real Conservatism"

I swear to god the symbol of conservatism should be a turtle, never really goes anywhere & at the first sign of danger it hides in its shell
 
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Trujmp was a dem for the longest time until he ran for President. Sometimes, the best republican is a former democrat. The reason both dems and repubs hate him is because he fights like a dem.

I like Gulf of America. What's important about it? How about a bit of national pride?

I am getting God damned sick and tired of being shit on because of being american. And yes, the country has problems. So, instead whining and crying in the corner, hound you rep and senator every. single. day. That is, instead of us being called idiots because of who we support, go after the ones actually in the positions of power and office.

Implying that those of us who support or vote Trump are misled at best, idiots at worst, does not actually fix a God damned thing. Have a solution instead of endless bitch, bitch, bitch,....

Almost the same as saying anyone who criticizes Trump is a idiot/never Trumper/commie. Our tribe mentality. Speaking of which:

That goes against the core principles of "Real Conservatism"

I swear to god the symbol of conservatism should be a turtle, never really goes anywhere & at the first sign of danger it hides in its shell
Circular firing squad. Everyone who steps outta line must be crushed. There is a word for that and it ain't "conservative" This is the conundrum of being a fan of liberty. Liberty requires you to act with restraint. So the Herculean Task before us is how do we dismantle the behemoth without becoming the behemoth ourselves or worse, just a different behemoth.
 
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Yeah and right now conservatism is
1.) Fuck the Dems.

We have become the monster we seek to destroy.
Well I guess the real question is can the Republican Party become a bigger tent, while conservatives remain conservative.

What I’m seeing that bothers me, is that conservatives are moving the line just short of what being a leftist means.

Nancy Mace: Radical Feminist
Matt Gaetz: Hedonist
Lauren Boebert: Divorced White trash opportunist, big mouth and big tits

I could go on……
 
This is kinda where I was thinking



Surprisingly, I mostly agree. My thought is not "Donald Trump ruined this" its we are willing to hitch our ride to someone as flawed as DJT because they alternatives were that much worse. Bush Sr. appointed Souter. Jr was supposed to be against nation building/aka non interventionist. Reagan promised immigration reform. Contract with America lasted about 90 days before they got their hands in the till. Every freakin dem since time began runs on anti-immigration/remove govt waste until election day.

I just think its a dangerous game becuase as the "law and order/respect principals" we start off fighting with one hand behind our back, so when someone actually fights we are automatically attracted to them.



Thanks for proving my point that most idiots in here can't read and/or think.
your point about "law and order/principals" is totally correct. have made it here myself. an enemy that has no rules and follows none can't be beaten by obeying laws and morals that they don't,haven't and never will recognize or follow. i believe that we are in,and have been for 100+ years,a fight for the survival of our country,culture,civilization and at times even personal survival. that has only been recognized by many in the last 20yr or so. those have have sought to destroy it have never placed any value on rules. we now have Trump with at least a semblance of power. he is imperfect but the program that he represents to many is at least a path to slowing the destruction and hopefully reversing it. last November's results could have been much worse and prob terminal.
 
Well I guess the real question is can the Republican Party become a bigger tent, while conservatives remain conservative.

What I’m seeing that bothers me, is that conservatives are moving the line just short of what being a leftist means.

Nancy Mace: Radical Feminist
Matt Gaetz: Hedonist
Lauren Boebert: Divorced White trash opportunist, big mouth and big tits

I could go on……

First off those people are elected representatives doing what their voters want them to do and party ideology and priorities trickle up from the base. Voters have rejected the "NeverTrump Ideological Conservatism" you guys are trying to sell because it fucking sucks. It doesn't accomplish anything, it never goes anywhere, and when anybody tries to actually do something the rest of you sandbag them.
 
Nothing more more dangerous then the righteous man who only desires to be left alone -
Never bet against the guy with nothing g left to lose and everything to gain
When the Anglo learns to hate

All these old adages / saying it seems have come to pass- the FA has gone far beyond a natural and rational FO phase .
Gonna get real fucking ugly let’s pray both legacy Uniparties are completely destroyed.
Did I mention it’s gonna get real ugly?
All great things must at first wear a terrible mask.
 
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First off those people are elected representatives doing what their voters want them to do and party ideology and priorities trickle up from the base. Voters have rejected the "NeverTrump Ideological Conservatism" you guys are trying to sell because it fucking sucks. It doesn't accomplish anything, it never goes anywhere, and when anybody tries to actually do something the rest of you sandbag them.
But what if (and hear me out on this) the voters are WRONG.

Nonsense! you say the government reflects the will of the people!

Then why do we have a Bill of Rights and a constitution?

Remember the people elected Maxine Waters and that guy who thought Guam would flip over.
 
But what if (and hear me out on this) the voters are WRONG.

Nonsense! you say the government reflects the will of the people!

Then why do we have a Bill of Rights and a constitution?

Remember the people elected Maxine Waters and that guy who thought Guam would flip over.
correct. that is always the problem of democracy-stupid people. the founders tried to protect against that with a system rather indirect in a representative form. past/present attempts to bypass their system exist. the plan: force children into indoctrination centers til at least thru their intellectually formative years; control access to info thru a controlled media; buy votes thru varied gov programs; distract the pop with TV,sports,celebrity worship-the old brEad and circusEs trick.