I see you commented based on zero experience actually shooting in the conditions described.
Are Electronic Levels Worth it?
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And this shows your lack of understanding of the subject.I know you shoot one eye closed, it’s okay.
go tilt a picture in your house and close one eye and see if you can tell its not level. I have no idea why you’d think that’s not possible…..
Where’s frank? He’s way more anti level than I am. I’m just suggesting it’s not necessary in most situations because humans are really good at detecting level
Your example, a Picture in a house, is based on reference points in said house. Walls are generally straight, plumb and level. There are lines of comparison so of course a picture hung will stand out when the lines are not parallel to a known reference. Its easy to see something is not level/parallel when conditions are perfect. In the shooting world, in anything other that square , level ranges with level/square targets, level/square shooting positions, ect..........A level becomes very important.
Now lets use your example, and each wall is a polygon with different lengths, The floor you are standing on is also sloped down 20* towards the wall and 14* to the right. Now can you tell if the picture is level with gravity? You must have some superhuman brain up there to calculate all the angles and shapes. People who actually get out and shoot in different conditions understand what I am talking about.
There are times your brain and the level do not make any sense. Like to the point you swear the level is broken. Its not. Your brain can't process what it is seeing, you are feeling and the readings of a level that do not match up with what you perceive.
These are things you learn through experience. My advice would be get out there and do a greater variety of shooting and you will probably run into the same situations sooner or later.
Your opinion < science.
Crazy what happens when you use reason and don’t just personally attack people based on something you know nothing about.
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Using a study to prove your stance needs to match the conditions you're arguing for. The conditions in the studies don't match the conditions in shooting (i.e. constricted FOV from looking through a tube, only one eye referencing the reticle, and probably more I'm missing). So these studies might be on the same topic, but all they've proven is that humans can sense how level a vertical line is for the purpose of their testing and the parameters they have set for it.Your opinion < science.
Crazy what happens when you use reason and don’t just personally attack people based on something you know nothing about.
Subjective visual vertical: A novel approach to otolith assessment
In this piece, you will be introduced to the subjective visual vertical (SVV) test, the SVV test procedure, and its clinical application. Learn more.
Maybe another study with different conditions would have over lapping outcomes, but that isn't necessary because you already know the outcomes without performing it.
Don't forget: Your opinion < science
I’m not arguing against levels having any usefulness just very little. Canted surfaces are a fair example where they may be useful. I said above I use levels on my guns. But they do get too much emphasis because - humans are really good at detecting vertical level and provided substantial proof of such. If you open both eyes you’d realize that
blatantly not reading the article then arguing against it is a funny stance when you cite things clearly refuted in multiple studies (multiple paragraphs about how you can only detect level by using accessory cues)
By your logic any medical study ever created is worthless because it’s not applicable to your exact situation in life….. lol
You provided substantial proof under certain conditions. And I did read them, thats how I know they are under different conditions.
Multiple studies get done for drugs being testsd because there are so many different conditions that need to be tested. You can't just say that a drug is safe because you tested under a few conditions. And not once did I give my stance on being for or against a level. Just that I'd like to see a study done with specific conditions, and gave my opinion on what the outcomes might be like. You haven't proven anything except how sensitive you get when people don't agree with you, which has already been proven over hundreds of your other posts on this site.
That’s not how medical or scientific literature works. They aren’t only valid if your exact situation to the t is looked at
I’m just following what actual scientific literature suggests instead of making up shit.
Once again you’re the one getting butt hurt. you should put the same effort you do crying on here into learning to shoot with both eyes open
I’m not the target market for an electronic level.
But if you want a non-electronic level that (I think) is better than a plain bubble level, buy an Accuracy 1st level. I like mine.
It’s not a bubble in liquid. It’s a ceramic ball in curved tube, shaped a bit like a smile. It reacts faster than a bubble level and, for me, more intuitive. They say their level is much more sensitive than bubble levels, but I dunno.
https://accuracy1st.com/collections...kote-Desert-Sand-Including-30mm-Reducer-Ring/ (Their site blows)
But if you want a non-electronic level that (I think) is better than a plain bubble level, buy an Accuracy 1st level. I like mine.
It’s not a bubble in liquid. It’s a ceramic ball in curved tube, shaped a bit like a smile. It reacts faster than a bubble level and, for me, more intuitive. They say their level is much more sensitive than bubble levels, but I dunno.
https://accuracy1st.com/collections...kote-Desert-Sand-Including-30mm-Reducer-Ring/ (Their site blows)
I have no particular expertise or education on this subject but the little I know is that the vestibular system in your ear reacts to gravity and that is independent of the things discussed here like sloping terrain, etc. That does mean you need to pay attention to your inner ear and not your eyes which may deceive you.
I used to fly in the USAF (so long ago we flew biplanes) and our task was just the opposite on instruments (and other times, really). We needed to disregard our inner ear which may deceive you and rely on what our eyes see in the instruments.
I do have a send-it. I like it but I don't compete so I can't comment on its suitability to shooting on the clock. But I do find it easy to use/interpret and I have confidence in it.
Cheers
I used to fly in the USAF (so long ago we flew biplanes) and our task was just the opposite on instruments (and other times, really). We needed to disregard our inner ear which may deceive you and rely on what our eyes see in the instruments.
I do have a send-it. I like it but I don't compete so I can't comment on its suitability to shooting on the clock. But I do find it easy to use/interpret and I have confidence in it.
Cheers
It's still that my man, recovering from unusual attitudes while under the hood or simply flying under the hood in general proves that what you perceive to be straight and level is often not even close. Always, always, always trust your instruments.
They are helpful in positional shooting events where you’re shooting off of barricades or props in unusual positions at reasonably far distances usually with wind and with a clock running.
If you want to spot your shots and then follow one up, keeping as many things constant is helpful.
I have run both the send it and SG Pulse. I prefer the pulse. But I’m old and forgetful, and I got tired of replacing my send it battery before every match.
If you want to spot your shots and then follow one up, keeping as many things constant is helpful.
I have run both the send it and SG Pulse. I prefer the pulse. But I’m old and forgetful, and I got tired of replacing my send it battery before every match.
You will do just as well and they will be amazed.
“How did he do it? With just his vestibular apparatus? Mind blown!”
“How did he do it? With just his vestibular apparatus? Mind blown!”
