AXSR action bolts issue

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Looks like I potentially found the issue with my AXSR not performing as expected.
Was having weird results at the range that I thought were just ammo related but yesterday while swapping the barrel I noticed I could move it side to side out at the end of the hand guard and the entire upper receiver was pivoting on the lower half of the receiver.

Found a few loose action bolts and torqued everything but the movement persisted. It appears from inspection that all the bolts are bottoming out in the receiver bolt holes without clamping load on the lower half.
Spoke to Mile High and AINA and it’s going in for warranty.

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Sage Green gang? I honestly haven't gotten mine out @Nik H aside from playing with the barrels/bolts and sending it back for warranty. I haven't noticed any movement of any assembly when swapping barrels so far - I will take a look at the parts diagrams and check my action screws though.
 
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Nik H said:
It makes me glad I hung on to my AXMC. There seem to be a few issues with the AXSR.

Hopefully, they will iron out these issues.
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Wish I had heard about that first. Kind of surprised to buy a rifle in this price range and find a problem but then again I bought a ZCO and it had a problem out of the box too and had to go back. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
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I had a new AXSR in like 2022 I think. It shot great, then slowly went to shit after like 40 rounds. Come to find out after coming inside that all action screws were loose, 2 of them were halfway out, so no way in hell they even tightened them.
I torqued them and went on my way. Weird this is an issue though.
 
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Roadrace33 said:
I had a new AXSR in like 2022 I think. It shot great, then slowly went to shit after like 40 rounds. Come to find out after coming inside that all action screws were loose, 2 of them were halfway out, so no way in hell they even tightened them.
I torqued them and went on my way. Weird this is an issue though.
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What happened after you torqued them? Did they loosen up gain? Did you use blue lactate when you retorqued them?
 
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Nik H said:
What happened after you torqued them? Did they loosen up gain? Did you use blue lactate when you retorqued them?
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I did not use loctite. Did not have another issue. I sold the rifle a few months later, can’t remember how many rounds through it, but it seemed to not be an issue anymore. I feel like I shot 200 or something, and rechecked with zero movement. Although, it was always in the back of my head. Spending that much on a rifle and immediately having an issue was kinda unnerving.

I don’t love them being epoxied, but it did seem to fix a lot of issues that could arise.
 
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Roadrace33 said:
I did not use loctite. Did not have another issue. I sold the rifle a few months later, can’t remember how many rounds through it, but it seemed to not be an issue anymore. I feel like I shot 200 or something, and rechecked with zero movement. Although, it was always in the back of my head. Spending that much on a rifle and immediately having an issue was kinda unnerving.

I don’t love them being epoxied, but it did seem to fix a lot of issues that could arise.
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Thanks

It shouldn't happen on an AI, but things may be changing for the worse.

It may be completely anecdotal, but I have two AIs (AT and AXMC) that use epoxied actions. I have never had one issue with either. The AT action has 9,000 rounds through it. The AXMC has 4,500 rounds through it including 800 rounds of 338 LM.
 
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Sucks to hear. All you can do is check to see if there’s any shift, when you do go out.



But I’ve taken my ASR completely apart, more times than I can remember. Since I’ve got it late 2019.

Even after Day1’s of a match, taking everything completely apart to clean. Barrel off the action, muzzle brake/ suppressor off the barrel, action off the chassis, reassembled with torque value in the manual (53in lbs for ASR which should be same for AXSR). With all that, he most shift I would get was .1Mil. And I’ve got the results to back it up 🤷🏻‍♂️. So I wasn’t scared to do.

Same thing with my ATX’s. Torque value from manual (49in lbs). Take those completely apart for cleaning every 1k rounds.

Also, when can we put the epoxy bs to rest? The AW50’s weren’t epoxied. Took mine off the chassis.

Guess I prefer them that way (not epoxied) for the ease of cleaning.

I’ve purposely made my AW’s shift with ease. So it really doesn’t f*ing matter if it’s epoxied or not.
 
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NoLegs24 said:
Sucks to hear. All you can do is check to see if there’s any shift, when you do go out.



But I’ve taken my ASR completely apart, more times than I can remember. Since I’ve got it late 2019.

Even after Day1’s of a match, taking everything completely apart to clean. Barrel off the action, muzzle brake/ suppressor off the barrel, action off the chassis, reassembled with torque value in the manual (53in lbs for ASR which should be same for AXSR). With all that, he most shift I would get was .1Mil. And I’ve got the results to back it up 🤷🏻‍♂️. So I wasn’t scared to do.

Same thing with my ATX’s. Torque value from manual (49in lbs). Take those completely apart for cleaning every 1k rounds.

Also, when can we put the epoxy bs to rest? The AW50’s weren’t epoxied. Took mine off the chassis.

Guess I prefer them that way (not epoxied) for the ease of cleaning.

I’ve purposely made my AW’s shift with ease. So it really doesn’t f*ing matter if it’s epoxied or not.
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With all due respect, I'd like AI to tell me that the epoxy is "BS." There was a reason they did it and a reason why they stopped. It is for them to identify if they care to. What you point out is as anecdotal as my experience with their epoxied actions.

The fact is lots of AI shooters seem to be having more issues with the new rifles. Why is that? Do you consider it acceptable that an $11,000 rifle has issues, as I have recently read about on this thread? I don't...not at all.
 
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Nik H said:
Thanks

It shouldn't happen on an AI, but things may be changing for the worse.

It may be completely anecdotal, but I have two AIs (AT and AXMC) that use epoxied actions. I have never had one issue with either. The AT action has 9,000 rounds through it. The AXMC has 4,500 rounds through it including 800 rounds o
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NoLegs24 said:
Sucks to hear. All you can do is check to see if there’s any shift, when you do go out.



But I’ve taken my ASR completely apart, more times than I can remember. Since I’ve got it late 2019.

Even after Day1’s of a match, taking everything completely apart to clean. Barrel off the action, muzzle brake/ suppressor off the barrel, action off the chassis, reassembled with torque value in the manual (53in lbs for ASR which should be same for AXSR). With all that, he most shift I would get was .1Mil. And I’ve got the results to back it up 🤷🏻‍♂️. So I wasn’t scared to do.

Same thing with my ATX’s. Torque value from manual (49in lbs). Take those completely apart for cleaning every 1k rounds.

Also, when can we put the epoxy bs to rest? The AW50’s weren’t epoxied. Took mine off the chassis.

Guess I prefer them that way (not epoxied) for the ease of cleaning.

I’ve purposely made my AW’s shift with ease. So it really doesn’t f*ing matter if it’s epoxied or not.
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I suppose I can see it both ways. I think that for the money paid for them, they should be able to be totally stripped by the end user to be cleaned thoroughly if they want to. There’s no reason it can’t be done. It’s just bolts.

Once torqued, obviously they should not move. I took my old ATX apart multiple times.

Still, the quality control before leaving the door should be 10/10 for the price they get. I’ve heard of multiple SR’s that were the same way as mine. Loose as hell from the factory. Once torqued, not an issue again.

I have an AXMC now.
 
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When I say BS, I mean in the context that people feel the epoxied AI’s gives them assurances.

When myself and a ton others who regularly shoot and compete with their non-epoxied AI’s, haven’t seen any drawbacks.

Not saying there isn’t any. Just feel at times, people are blowing it out of proportion.

Regardless, still going to shoot my older AI’s just as much as the newer ones.
 
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Nik H said:
With all due respect, I'd like AI to tell me that the epoxy is "BS." There was a reason they did it and a reason why they stopped. It is for them to identify if they care to. What you point out is as anecdotal as my experience with their epoxied actions.

The fact is lots of AI shooters seem to be having more issues with the new rifles. Why is that? Do you consider it acceptable that an $11,000 rifle has issues, as I have recently read about on this thread? I don't...not at all.
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Yeah for sure at this price point there should be essentially zero chance of a problem getting out the door. I used to build NASCAR engines and every person in the process from parts intake and production to final assembly was responsible for QC and had to sign off on everything they did.
A $12k rifle should have essentially a zero out the door QC failure rate.
 
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WVshooter said:
Yeah for sure at this price point there should be essentially zero chance of a problem getting out the door. I used to build NASCAR engines and every person in the process from parts intake and production to final assembly was responsible for QC and had to sign off on everything they did.
A $12k rifle should have essentially a zero out the door QC failure rate.
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Maybe I'm understanding the original post wrong, but did you try shorter bolts? It almost seems like they're like 3-4mm too long?
I recently got a Manners PRS stock, and they shipped me the action screws for the mini chassis. Both of them were the right thread, but the head was a tiny bit too big, it wouldn't fit without turning them down, which I'm no machinist whatsoever. I called them, they resent me bolts, and they were the same way lol....So i went and got the right ones at a local store. I also received a new Impact 737 action in February with no feed ramps machined at all in it. I figured i was the unlucky duck with new rifle issues.
 
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Roadrace33 said:
Maybe I'm understanding the original post wrong, but did you try shorter bolts? It almost seems like they're like 3-4mm too long?
I recently got a Manners PRS stock, and they shipped me the action screws for the mini chassis. Both of them were the right thread, but the head was a tiny bit too big, it wouldn't fit without turning them down, which I'm no machinist whatsoever. I called them, they resent me bolts, and they were the same way lol....So i went and got the right ones at a local store. I also received a new Impact 737 action in February with no feed ramps machined at all in it. I figured i was the unlucky duck with new rifle issues.
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No, I don’t want to start modifying it to fix something that shouldn’t even be a problem. They’re kind of a specialty bolt anyway because they are meant to be captured by the chassis so they only have a section of threads at the end that engages the receiver.
 
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@WVshooter This is disappointing to see and totally unacceptable for a rifle at this price point. That being said when I had an issue with my AXSR they were very prompt to help and resolve the issue. They also paid shipping both ways to VA. I would absolutely not trouble shoot the rifle yourself as they need to make that right.

I pray that AI does not go down the path LMT did.
 
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Vivacious Stallion said:
@WVshooter This is disappointing to see and totally unacceptable for a rifle at this price point. That being said when I had an issue with my AXSR they were very prompt to help and resolve the issue. They also paid shipping both ways to VA. I would absolutely not trouble shoot the rifle yourself as they need to make that right.

I pray that AI does not go down the path LMT did.
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They sent a return label right away and I dropped it off to be shipped this morning. I’m curious to see what the fix ends up being. I’m in deep with this thing at this point so I just want it fixed right so I can get the kind of results out of it that it’s supposed to give.
 
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BurtG said:
Covid and the bs policies with that pandemic messed up the quality of. Everything. Everything.

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Only lately have things been getting better with qc. At least in other industries
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It does seem to be this way. I know for sure, heavy machinery is a total fucking joke the last few years. Endless repairs on overlooked stuff.

Anyway, hopefully they fix the issue in about an hour, and don't dick around for 3 months. Definitely isn't fun to finally pony up and spend any amount of money for something, only to have to wait even longer to use it.
 
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