Book suppository? That’s GOTTA be some S tier Freudian slip…
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Book suppository? That’s GOTTA be some S tier Freudian slip…
There’s nobody in the window of the 6th Floor in the Hughes film, which shows the motorcade turning the corner onto Elm right when an assassin was supposed to be in the window, in position, ready to shoot.why did Oswald not have his pistol on him when we was at the Book Suppository? why did he need to go home to retrieve the gun and then shoots Tippet and then goes to the theater?
my opinion is they had Oswald "motivated" to shoot the president, maybe he was there to do so, they gave him a garbage rifle with barely attached scope in an OBVIOUS "nest". when the shots started going off, Oswald knew he was setup at that point, because he didnt actually pull any triggers. The kill shot came from the rail yard side from a mercury tipped 221 fireball.
after that, Oswald knew he was the patsy and had no idea what to do. so he had to go home to get his revolver and then from there its just a chaotic scene of a guy who never really thought it through. Maybe he thought his CIA/Mafia handlers would get him and usher him away from the building? who knows. thats the whole reason Ruby shot him.
The 160gr 6.5mm Round Nosed FMJs in that Western Cartridge Company ammunition were not normal FMJs.Then how did his skull cap end up on the trunk, behind him last time I saw the film?
Next yote I shoot with my 6.5, I’ll try to head shoot it inside a 100 yards and I’ll use som AAC fmj and I’ll see if the skull cap flys off and I’ll report back
Talk about a timely video. This does a (surprisingly) good job pointing out some of the oddities with the topic (no little green men type of conspiracies just a brief overview of some facts). If you have the interest and 15 minutes of time I'd recommend checking it out.
I hear ya (based off of this thread and another one we participated in together I reckon you & I are of similar opinions/knowledge with this topic). I didn't produce the video but for YouTube I thought it was fairly well done covering a lot of the topics at a high level. Thing is many if not most folks opine on the topic but haven't scratched the surface of all the... I'll say "inconsistent" things that are accepted as fact taken on face value.This is one of the examples I’m talking about. Oswald was never in Mexico City. There are multiple agencies who do surveillance on embassies and consulates around the world, not single points of failure “the cameras weren’t working”. That’s a BS story for sheep.
We know because we have photos of the guy they claim was Oswald.
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Maybe he was just a bat shit insane commie.so you have Oswald, a stone cold killer, trained by the marines and he had no getaway plan at all, and didnt have his revolver on him?
or maybe there was a plan that his handlers were going to usher him away, put him on a boat to Russia or Cuba, and they said no need for a pistol, that will be suspicious. So then after all the shooting starts and is done, Oswald realizes he is the patsy, no one is coming to help him get away like they promised, and the first thing he does is go back to his home/room he was renting?
come on now.
I’d argue that those two things without any other context just made him an idiot. Guys to this day are still injuring themselves with weapons on and off base, and most definitely still getting in fights at bars.Maybe he was just a bat shit insane commie.
You know why Oswald received 2 court marshalls? In japan he injured himself with an illegal pistol and a bar fight.
After his military experience had soured, maybe had a bone to pick.
Why are you so dedicated to defending the commie?
MOA? you're kidding right? a ww2 surplus gun with likely sub optimal maintenance and storage. ever done much shooting with a surplus bolt gun? i have,a lot. smoothness of actions,alignment of sights (most surplus bolt guns shoot about a foot high or more @100),triggers are so bad usually that you jerk every shot,esp in the time here,feeding smoothness a factor often. not to mention a loose scope mount on a cheap,for the time even optic. ammo used is still an area of argument. his rig was MAYBE 4 MOA but i wouldn't bet on it. if Oswald did any shooting he was shooting at a target and in a situation that does not lend itself to calm controlled shooting. a marine "sharpshooter"? way less than impressive just competent on qual day. like to know what he qualed with. betting an M1. far different than a ragged bolt gun. yea,he was seen practicing. several writers think that was a "double" which is also a long running debate. i have said that it is theoretically possible for Oswald to have done such shooting. this ignores all the disputed autopsy stuff about entry/exit etc. it is possible but considering his gear,the odds are he prob could have killed JFK by throwing a knife. same probability. Oswald was NOT an experienced tac shooter. people on here have said "i could make that shot" easy. bull shit.Oswalds rifle was sub MOA all day. When the feds test fired it shot 3/4 “ groups. 6.5 master race.
He was a Marine, i assume he knew how to use it. You guys are trained… right??
Kennedy was shot around 12:30 Tibbit was shot about 1:00, oswald was follwed to the theater and entered just after 1:00 after, presumably killing Tibbit.
How did tibbits get on his trail, 30 min after Kennedy was killed???
It's worth noting that "the" rifle apprehended was neither zeroed or even the scope securely mounted. If my memory serves me right they had to shim the scope for them to even perform their evaluation.MOA? you're kidding right? a ww2 surplus gun with likely sub optimal maintenance and storage. ever done much shooting with a surplus bolt gun? i have,a lot. smoothness of actions,alignment of sights (most surplus bolt guns shoot about a foot high or more @100),triggers are so bad usually that you jerk every shot,esp in the time here,feeding smoothness a factor often. not to mention a loose scope mount on a cheap,for the time even optic. ammo used is still an area of argument. his rig was MAYBE 4 MOA but i wouldn't bet on it. if Oswald did any shooting he was shooting at a target and in a situation that does not lend itself to calm controlled shooting. a marine "sharpshooter"? way less than impressive just competent on qual day. like to know what he qualed with. betting an M1. far different than a ragged bolt gun. yea,he was seen practicing. several writers think that was a "double" which is also a long running debate. i have said that it is theoretically possible for Oswald to have done such shooting. this ignores all the disputed autopsy stuff about entry/exit etc. it is possible but considering his gear,the odds are he prob could have killed JFK by throwing a knife. same probability. Oswald was NOT an experienced tac shooter. people on here have said "i could make that shot" easy. bull shit.
i doubt York,Hatchcock or Kyle could make those 3 shots with that gear in that time once out of 100 at best.
Yeah but if you look at it in the context of after he got out he fled to the Soviet Union, married a Soviet wife in the home of a Soviet spook, came back spent time in New Orleans on a pro Cuba campaign, then moved to Texas and finally killed a president and a cop.I’d argue that those two things without any other context just made him an idiot. Guys to this day are still injuring themselves with weapons on and off base, and most definitely still getting in fights at bars.
His rifle was test fired, it produced around a 3/4" group.MOA? you're kidding right? a ww2 surplus gun with likely sub optimal maintenance and storage. ever done much shooting with a surplus bolt gun? i have,a lot. smoothness of actions,alignment of sights (most surplus bolt guns shoot about a foot high or more @100),triggers are so bad usually that you jerk every shot,esp in the time here,feeding smoothness a factor often. not to mention a loose scope mount on a cheap,for the time even optic. ammo used is still an area of argument. his rig was MAYBE 4 MOA but i wouldn't bet on it. if Oswald did any shooting he was shooting at a target and in a situation that does not lend itself to calm controlled shooting. a marine "sharpshooter"? way less than impressive just competent on qual day. like to know what he qualed with. betting an M1. far different than a ragged bolt gun. yea,he was seen practicing. several writers think that was a "double" which is also a long running debate. i have said that it is theoretically possible for Oswald to have done such shooting. this ignores all the disputed autopsy stuff about entry/exit etc. it is possible but considering his gear,the odds are he prob could have killed JFK by throwing a knife. same probability. Oswald was NOT an experienced tac shooter. people on here have said "i could make that shot" easy. bull shit.
i doubt York,Hatchcock or Kyle could make those 3 shots with that gear in that time once out of 100 at best.
Yeah but if you look at it in the context of after he got out he fled to the Soviet Union, married a Soviet wife in the home of a Soviet spook, came back spent time in New Orleans on a pro Cuba campaign, then moved to Texas and finally killed a president and a cop.
Then it looks like maybe he had a bone to pick, and his service in the marines left a bad taste in his mouth.
if you believe that,then you are not only an idiot you are a gullible idiot. one that believes CO2 in the atmosphere is melting the ice caps and that Ruby Shot Oswald because of his deep Jewish convictions or maybe Saddam had an active nuclear weapons program.His rifle was test fired, it produced around a 3/4" group.
Edit- when fired rapidly, 3 Shot in 5 seconds they were able to produce a 3" group @ 100 yards. With the shitty optic it had on it.
Try not being so completly full of shit. Unless your MO is spreading lies and dis information, or just trolling for fun. Then you are doing a great job.
I don't think you are qualified to tell me what I am focused on, you commie lover.so you ignored the information that was just presented to you, actual physical evidence about the scope being loose on the rifle, etc. and all you're focused on is that he had a bad taste in his mouth
Awe... thanks sweet heart.if you believe that,then you are not only an idiot you are a gullible idiot. one that believes CO2 in the atmosphere is melting the ice caps and that Ruby Shot Oswald because of his deep Jewish convictions or maybe Saddam had an active nuclear weapons program.
I don't think you are qualified to tell me what I am focused on, you commie lover.
o one more thing.if you believe that,then you are not only an idiot you are a gullible idiot. one that believes CO2 in the atmosphere is melting the ice caps and that Ruby Shot Oswald because of his deep Jewish convictions or maybe Saddam had an active nuclear weapons program.
keep sucking that commie dis information. You seem to like the taste.that's the dumbest shit in this thread. but keep going, tell us all how Oswald did it based on his feelings and his 3/4" moa mil-surp carcano.
Nobody is going to change anybody’s opinion one way or another but I’d challenge where you got that data point as it doesn’t seem to align with even the Warren Commision.His rifle was test fired, it produced around a 3/4" group.
Edit- when fired rapidly, 3 Shot in 5 seconds they were able to produce a 3" group @ 100 yards. With the shitty optic it had on it.
Try not being so completly full of shit. Unless your MO is spreading lies and dis information, or just trolling for fun. Then you are doing a great job.
Wait a second. Is he holding a cell phone? Time travel? This could turn the whole Kennedy single shooter theory on its head.This is one of the examples I’m talking about. Oswald was never in Mexico City. There are multiple agencies who do surveillance on embassies and consulates around the world, not single points of failure “the cameras weren’t working”. That’s a BS story for sheep.
We know because we have photos of the guy they claim was Oswald.
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My bet is a wallet.Wait a second. Is he holding a cell phone? Time travel? This could turn the whole Kennedy single shooter theory on its head.
I am aware of the mentioned optic issue. Even as it was, they were able to do 3 shots in 5 seconds, with the best group, right around 3 inches.Nobody is going to change anybody’s opinion one way or another but I’d challenge where you got that data point as it doesn’t seem to align with even the Warren Commision.
That said- perhaps a similar rifle could yield those groups (although that’d be an impressive marksmanship feat in 5 seconds) but the rifle recovered wasn’t zeroed. They had to shim the scope for testing and still had problems. I also seem to recall the rifle being in terrible condition elsewhere but my memory is a bit too hazy on those details to make any statement to that effect without a refresher.
Not calling you out by any means but would you mind sharing where you are getting that data point? I’m trying to be objective and just would like to review the details for myself before casting a hard/fast opinion on it one way or the other.I am aware of the mentioned optic issue. Even as it was, they were able to do 3 shots in 5 seconds, with the best group, right around 3 inches.
From my own research, i can’t remember where I read it. But it was from the testing on said rifle.Not calling you out by any means but would you mind sharing where you are getting that data point? I’m trying to be objective and just would like to review the details for myself before casting a hard/fast opinion on it one way or the other.
Maybe it’s been done before but I think it’d be interesting to simulate the alleged shots at a PRS style match with a rifle of the same make/configuration. Not necessarily as a point/counterpoint to this discussion but rather to get the experience/opinions from known/knowledgeable sources that many here are at least familiar with rather than a panel of ‘experts’ cherry picked & edited for tv.
Just speaking for myself but I think that’d be fascinating either way. Maybe it is just an easy ‘chip shot’ as many believe it to be and thusly easily duplicated. But- what if regular competitors struggle/fail to duplicate the official story, what would we think then?
And according to the official story he shot about minute of pumpkin with it.It's worth noting that "the" rifle apprehended was neither zeroed or even the scope securely mounted. If my memory serves me right they had to shim the scope for them to even perform their evaluation.
Let's say that I'm even "half right" on that, this community knows better than most what a scope on a rifle translates to with regards to accuracy when it isn't zeroed. Let's argue further that the rifle was in fact zeroed but the mounts were so loose they needed to be shimmed later... what kind of accuracy can one expect from an old milsurp rifle then?
If you understand that much then you better understand Alice and what she felt as she started down the rabbit hole...
-LD
Completely understand- wishing your family member a speedy recovery.From my own research, i can’t remember where I read it. But it was from the testing on said rifle.
When I have a second, I’ll find it right now. I’m dealing with the family member who had a heart attack today.
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Just a data point I collected - I thought I had the photo still - Nov 28th 2024. My niece shot this cull buck on our farm- with a 6.5 Grendel 123 sst. At about 65 yards - entered just below left ear - exit just above right ear - skill cap did not come off and exit hole wasn’t much bigger than entry .
This is not a “smoking gun” (see what I did there ) and a sample size of one . Every since I knew anything about rifles and exterior ballistics I balked at the idea of an intermediate rifle round removing the skull cap and launching it backwards - especially when we are told the “shooter was to the rear.
There probably was multiple shooters - and it probably was a high velocity small caliber round fired from somewhere to the front the target .
The mercury tipped 221 or 220 or whatever people are speculating makes some sense- as .223 fmj at point blank on hogs and cattle do not reproduce those energetic results, sometimes don’t even exit a cow skull , find them sideways on the off side sometimes.
This is not a factual forensics post nor directed at anyone , just ramblings from my experiences.
Read one page that said Kennedy was addicted to amphetamines. Never heard that before.
Yep he was a well know junkie - with his own DR. feel good- what they actually called his “doctor “ .It's true, but the real story is JFK I had intractable back pain that was treated with a lot of steroids like prednisone, to which he developed iatrogenic adrenal insufficiency, which makes an individual chronically fatigued and tired. Pre-Adderall/Modafanil days, he had access to the good stuff.
He was written up as an anonymous case report in new England Journal of Medicine.
There’s a former CIA guy (now deceased) who claims he was part of the Secret Service credentials and badge forgery operation, as well as tasked with bringing suitcases to Dallas and placing them inside a car trunk in the parking lot next to the TSBD.View attachment 8649516
Just a data point I collected - I thought I had the photo still - Nov 28th 2024. My niece shot this cull buck on our farm- with a 6.5 Grendel 123 sst. At about 65 yards - entered just below left ear - exit just above right ear - skill cap did not come off and exit hole wasn’t much bigger than entry .
This is not a “smoking gun” (see what I did there ) and a sample size of one . Every since I knew anything about rifles and exterior ballistics I balked at the idea of an intermediate rifle round removing the skull cap and launching it backwards - especially when we are told the “shooter was to the rear.
There probably was multiple shooters - and it probably was a high velocity small caliber round fired from somewhere to the front the target .
The mercury tipped 221 or 220 or whatever people are speculating makes some sense- as .223 fmj at point blank on hogs and cattle do not reproduce those energetic results, sometimes don’t even exit a cow skull , find them sideways on the off side sometimes.
This is not a factual forensics post nor directed at anyone , just ramblings from my experiences.
Was actually just thinking g .264 Win.There’s a former CIA guy (now deceased) who claims he was part of the Secret Service credentials and badge forgery operation, as well as tasked with bringing suitcases to Dallas and placing them inside a car trunk in the parking lot next to the TSBD.
He asserts they made the fake credentials at a known front company in California in the LA area, and were tasked with loading pull-down 6.5mm projectiles into .264 Winchester Magnum cartridges, and testing them from another machine shop they had at a small airport north of the LA area. He also said they made in-house suppressors at that machine shop for the Agency.
He and 2 other guys were using fake Treasury Agent credentials and hiding in one of the rail cars. They didn’t know what was going on with the operation, other than someone was expecting a pro-Cuban protest or uprising with the President’s visit to Dallas, and they needed Agency support in countering those actions in case they happened.
A .264 Win Mag to the front of the head would easily produce the effects we see in the Zapruder film.
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His medical records read like an encyclopedia of diseases and ailments. His back had been operated on, so in the autopsy, you can see mention of old scars. He wore a back brace as well, and the one he was wearing was entered into evidence by the FBI after the assassination.It's true, but the real story is JFK I had intractable back pain that was treated with a lot of steroids like prednisone, to which he developed iatrogenic adrenal insufficiency, which makes an individual chronically fatigued and tired. Pre-Adderall/Modafanil days, he had access to the good stuff.
He was written up as an anonymous case report in new England Journal of Medicine.
not in 63/64 it wouldn't generate any investigation. the list of involved leaders was a long one. today,yes,that BS would get thrown out. it's bad enough a competent DA might even refuse to bring using it to trial. would have to go to defense in discovery,so...After decades of research into the case, I believe the Carcano and the spent cases were props. Somebody fired a round into a cotton duck canvas trap maybe to generate the bullet, which was then placed into evidence.
CE399 doesn’t match the description of what was found by the Parkland employees and the FBI knew it already in early 1964. The chain of custody of CE399 is one of the most botched evidentiary handlings in the history of crime. It has entries on the evidence chain log that are out of sequence in time, for example. It would be immediately thrown-out in court and should have triggered an internal affairs investigation into the FBI and Secret Service.
Addison's disease is adrenal insufficiency from steroids.His medical records read like an encyclopedia of diseases and ailments. His back had been operated on, so in the autopsy, you can see mention of old scars. He wore a back brace as well, and the one he was wearing was entered into evidence by the FBI after the assassination.
He also had Addison’s disease and had died once before, last rites read, when in the hospital as a Senator. He’s the only US President who has died twice that I’m aware of.
.264 Win Mag...........the Boomers 6.5 Creed...........I had one a little over 4 decades ago..........factory load 140 gr @ 3200 fpsThere’s a former CIA guy (now deceased) who claims he was part of the Secret Service credentials and badge forgery operation, as well as tasked with bringing suitcases to Dallas and placing them inside a car trunk in the parking lot next to the TSBD.
He asserts they made the fake credentials at a known front company in California in the LA area, and were tasked with loading pull-down 6.5mm projectiles into .264 Winchester Magnum cartridges, and testing them from another machine shop they had at a small airport north of the LA area. He also said they made in-house suppressors at that machine shop for the Agency.
He and 2 other guys were using fake Treasury Agent credentials and hiding in one of the rail cars. They didn’t know what was going on with the operation, other than someone was expecting a pro-Cuban protest or uprising with the President’s visit to Dallas, and they needed Agency support in countering those actions in case they happened.
A .264 Win Mag to the front of the head would easily produce the effects we see in the Zapruder film.
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6.5x55 Mauser was the medium case 6.5mm for the Lost, GI, Silent, and Baby Boomer Generations with similar performance to the 6.5-08 class of cartridges..264 Win Mag...........the Boomers 6.5 Creed...........I had one a little over 4 decades ago..........factory load 140 gr @ 3200 fps
Found some images of the Rapid fire group testing @100 yards.Not calling you out by any means but would you mind sharing where you are getting that data point? I’m trying to be objective and just would like to review the details for myself before casting a hard/fast opinion on it one way or the other.
Maybe it’s been done before but I think it’d be interesting to simulate the alleged shots at a PRS style match with a rifle of the same make/configuration. Not necessarily as a point/counterpoint to this discussion but rather to get the experience/opinions from known/knowledgeable sources that many here are at least familiar with rather than a panel of ‘experts’ cherry picked & edited for tv.
Just speaking for myself but I think that’d be fascinating either way. Maybe it is just an easy ‘chip shot’ as many believe it to be and thusly easily duplicated. But- what if regular competitors struggle/fail to duplicate the official story, what would we think then?