Right angle cable is in the works. You don’t need to have your phone flat unless you want to update the angle. Once you laze it overrides any angle from the phone and takes it from the unit.
Precision Rifle Gear Tango Innovations FIRE4000 WMLRF Initial Impressions
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Once you download the temperature to the unit. It will use whatever temp tables you have created.
This is in accurate. The unit operates on whatever environmental it was told and calculated temp tables stored in your profile accordingly.
Sorry for the delay. The best way to run the unit is to input the environmentals to the unit from your phone on ABI mode or your Kestrl on ABI mode. Then disconnect the phone or the kestrel as they are no longer needed for employment. As to the temp tables they are stored in your ballistic profile and will be factored in base on the environmentals dictated. We’re a smaller company and we have not done the best job monitoring this chat. That said if I didn’t answer your question or if you have more questions shoot me an email through our tango website. Ask for Marcos and I’d be happy to take a phone call.View attachment 8625531
Hey! Look at that. A Tango guy replied to me. Cool!
Sorry man, I missed your responses to this thread yesterday.
Cool that I was understanding your design idea (edit: I actually had missed your earlier explanation of “solar loading”; nice phrase.)
I probably would’ve already bought your unit if I didn’t have two kids in college
So, what say you about the temp table thing? We know there’s no temp sensor in the unit, but pretend:
- a temp table has been previously built & applied to a rifle/ammo profile in AB within the Kestrel*
- the environmentals have been transferred from the Kestrel to the Fire4000 and locked (can you manually enter temp etc btw?)
- The Kestrel’s AB rifle/ammo data has been transferred to to the Fire4000
- All Bluetooth is turned off and you go hunting. No connection is made from the Fire400 to your phone, to the Kestrel, or to your mom. Lol.
Can the Fire4000’s built-in AB then calculate solutions using these previously “temp table” trued profiles? How do the results differ in the above scenario if we allow the Fire4000 continued access to the phone, but not the Kestrel? Or to both the phone and Kestrel? Or to just the Kestrel and not the phone?
I’m quite unclear on how the data workflow works between phone/unit.
*I call this truing; I think others do too…but I don’t own a Kestrel so not sure on the nomenclature. I also assume, like in my Strelok, one can attach trued ammo profiles to rifles.
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Because this subject has been proven to be a little slippery to discuss (for me at least) and given the fact that I am certainly no ballistician, please do read that link I just put in this paragraph. The assumption I’m making is, just like in Strelok, a temp table is used in AB to help true your ammo’s bc by using the speed of the bullet at various temps.
Right angle connection is in the works. Haven’t found a supplier yet that can fulfill at the scale needed
Great point on the AJ. Boss is getting sun setting this month and we’re going to quantum that will have more features like this. Also the reflecter at close distances is boiler plate for all receivers. It’s just intense at 14 yards less intense at 1400 when you’re lasing reflective targets.
Well that's great to hear. Great product, I really like it so far. I'm sorry if I come across as being overly critical.
Also pretty sure I turned on scan mode in the living room so it got a few close blasts unfortunately. If it's standard for all receivers and you're just giving a heads up in the manual that's cool.
Also one small thing, I do wish the meters/yards button was a press and hold. I don't ever see myself having to change that quickly and it can be inadvertently pressed.
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Is this a typo? could u go into more detail on connecting a Kestrel to push environment iN ABI mode?
Just received an email that new units of the Fire 4000 will have a 25% or more price increase that are "tariff driven" per the email. Not saying that isn't legit, but I wonder if they are feeling like they undercut themselves with the initial price..... On another note, they are expecting to have FDE colored units by the end of month (with new pricing of course)
Makes sense on what is going on. Someone is going to have to eat the cost.
For sure but I am interested in what the price of the Magpul Maztech X4 ends up being when it launches. If I am not mistaken it's supposed to be around $2k and do everything the Tango does plus environmentals. If that is the case and the Magpul performs well the Tango being too close to that price will hurt it I think.
Agreed. I really like the Tango, at $1400. Pushing $1800? I'll have to see what the Magpul comes out at. I especially like that AB Quantum now supports the Tango. Makes life super easy.
The temp table requires an external device to update the temperature. There’s no advantage to this requirement.
temp tables arent stored on the device it just pulls them off the kestrel.
The inability to use this in standalone is really a tough design point for the money. It’s a lrf that reads ballistics
Pretty sure it’s going to be north of 2500. I hope I’m wrong and they undercut the impact 4k
All the pricing I have seen has been $2000-$2150 for the civvy lrf. Granted without an official pricing from Magpul it's best guess at the moment. I imagine the current climate of things may have an impact as well. I wouldn't be surprised if it is $2500+ based on what it looks like on paper. But if it is closer to $2k, I don't know why you would go with the tango at $1800 assuming the Magpul performs.
My thought too. I really like the Tango unit, the lack of environmentals doesn't bother me in the slightest. But not at $1800. If the Magpul comes in closer to 2k, and includes the environmentals? It might be worth a much closer look.
I chatted with the designer, Ruben, on the phone yesterday. Super cool dude, former sniper, and very passionate about his product. These look awesome.
How did you do that? Did you just buy a different remote and cord or did you modify the original?
Oh I see. I'm actually more interested in solutions for protecting the plug that connects the remote to the unit for when I carry my rifle slung and thought he might have a line on plugs, switches, and cables.
I have this low tech solution that's not the sharpest looking:
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You know what they say; if it’s stupid but it works, it ain’t stupid!
Awww, thanks guys. The coyotes love it too.Plus it looks great
It was probably mentioned already, but I'm having trouble digging this up and it's not listed in the quick manual on their website.
How many rifle profiles can you store on this?
How many rifle profiles can you store on this?
One. It's not much of a drawback in practice though as if you are moving the unit from rifle to rifle uploading/syncing a different profile isn't much more work.
That said AB has you make a new rifle profile for every ammo type so if you switch ammo you would also need to sync a new profile.
I believe you can store others on your phone. It’s just one at a time in the device itself.
Well with Strelok for example you set up a rifle profile with your height over bore, twist rate, and optics specs and then you can set up different ammo types with unique velocities and BCs to use with the same rifle profile.
Wasn't sure if he was asking because he was switching ammo types or actually switching the unit from from rifle to rifle in which case you're already using tools and rezeroing so updating the profile isn't that much more work.
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Watched a video on the Magpul Maztech LRF and I gotta say it is looking really impressive. I am just waiting on the price to become available so I can decide between it and the Fire4000. I just finished putting together a 6 arc rifle and its waiting on one of these lrf to top it off
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