Precision Rifle Gear Tango Innovations FIRE4000 WMLRF Initial Impressions

[Mfelici1!!]

Inclinometer works fine lazing with unit (Fire4000) whether connected to phone or not. It’s when updating environmental measurements using the phone and not having phone perfectly at 0* that incline reading gets wonky. At least that is my experience thus far.

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Right angle remote cable would be nice for sure.

Right angle cable is in the works. You don’t need to have your phone flat unless you want to update the angle. Once you laze it overrides any angle from the phone and takes it from the unit.

 

[Mfelici1!!]

The unit in a standalone use doesn’t understand the temperature and cannot utilize the temp table that ab is built to use.

Once you download the temperature to the unit. It will use whatever temp tables you have created.

okay let me break this down.

If the unit has no ability to measure temperature, it cannot ever adjust a solution based on temperature while not connected to bluetooth.

The tango would have no data other than the last data you fed it for enviro.

This is in accurate. The unit operates on whatever environmental it was told and calculated temp tables stored in your profile accordingly.

 

[Mfelici1!!]

Just to clarify, the Fire4k can connect directly to a kestrel to update environmentals?

But any changes to the ballistic profile need to be done by connecting to the AB BOSS app loaded onto a cell phone?

Correct

 

[Mfelici1!!]

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Hey! Look at that. A Tango guy replied to me. Cool!

Sorry man, I missed your responses to this thread yesterday.

Cool that I was understanding your design idea (edit: I actually had missed your earlier explanation of “solar loading”; nice phrase.)

I probably would’ve already bought your unit if I didn’t have two kids in college

So, what say you about the temp table thing? We know there’s no temp sensor in the unit, but pretend:

1. a temp table has been previously built & applied to a rifle/ammo profile in AB within the Kestrel*
2. the environmentals have been transferred from the Kestrel to the Fire4000 and locked (can you manually enter temp etc btw?)
3. The Kestrel’s AB rifle/ammo data has been transferred to to the Fire4000
4. All Bluetooth is turned off and you go hunting. No connection is made from the Fire400 to your phone, to the Kestrel, or to your mom. Lol.

Can the Fire4000’s built-in AB then calculate solutions using these previously “temp table” trued profiles? How do the results differ in the above scenario if we allow the Fire4000 continued access to the phone, but not the Kestrel? Or to both the phone and Kestrel? Or to just the Kestrel and not the phone?

I’m quite unclear on how the data workflow works between phone/unit.

*I call this truing; I think others do too…but I don’t own a Kestrel so not sure on the nomenclature. I also assume, like in my Strelok, one can attach trued ammo profiles to rifles.


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Because this subject has been proven to be a little slippery to discuss (for me at least) and given the fact that I am certainly no ballistician, please do read that link I just put in this paragraph. The assumption I’m making is, just like in Strelok, a temp table is used in AB to help true your ammo’s bc by using the speed of the bullet at various temps.

Sorry for the delay. The best way to run the unit is to input the environmentals to the unit from your phone on ABI mode or your Kestrl on ABI mode. Then disconnect the phone or the kestrel as they are no longer needed for employment. As to the temp tables they are stored in your ballistic profile and will be factored in base on the environmentals dictated. We’re a smaller company and we have not done the best job monitoring this chat. That said if I didn’t answer your question or if you have more questions shoot me an email through our tango website. Ask for Marcos and I’d be happy to take a phone call.

 

[Mfelici1!!]

Who was it that is on here from Tango? I see in the documentation that the wired remote uses an "aviation plug" but no other information. Is there a right angle adapter that we can purchase for this? From using the term aviation plug, that makes it sound like a standard connection?

Right angle connection is in the works. Haven’t found a supplier yet that can fulfill at the scale needed

 

[Mfelici1!!]

I couldn't find this info on their site but is there an official IP rating for the Tango 4000?

@Mfelici1!!​

Yes IP67

 

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So I haven't had the chance to really use it but just setting it up a few things stood out to me.

The screen quality is waaaaay better than the Impact. That said it is a bit cluttered and I wish there was the option to turn off flight time and velocity and get a larger firing solution displayed but it's still much easier to read than the Gameboy one.

I like that it does not need active Bluetooth syncing to use the weather data and other information given by the app. You set it and it stays that way, no compass or other sensors changing things.

That said I really wish it had the option to turn off crosswind jump. I always leave my wind set at 10mph/3:00 and use fractions of that for my hold. If crosswind/aerodynamic jump is added to the elevation the firing may be off considerably more than if no vertical correction is factored in at all depending on wind direction. I'm not going to be constantly updating my wind direction with the app every time my rifle or the wind shifts, I got this for quick firing solutions, so it would be nice to toggle it off if desired.

The 3/10/15 minute shutoff times are great for hunting or NRL stages. The small remote is nice, gives more placement options. I like that it is corded compared to the Impact Bluetooth unit which needs a battery and has to be turned on and reconnected every minute or so or before it will work.

Not being an engineer I don't know why the connector plug is so complicated when all it has to do is send one type of signal. The manual warns the remote plug is fragile and a 90° connector would also be a big improvement to give more clearance for elevation and parallax knobs and to protect the cable and plug. I understand they're working on that.

The buttons are a huge improvement over the Impact where the most important button was the smallest and hardest to press. The power button on this is even slightly elevated so it's easy to find by feel. That said I wish it powered on with a quick press instead of press and hold.

The manual says to avoid lasing very reflective targets or close targets to avoid damage. I am not sure if this is because this unit is especially susceptible to damage or if all LRFs are and they just had the presence of mind to warn the customer. I often lase stuff across the room when adjusting displays and what not. I hope I don't wreck it.


That's just my long winded initial opinion of it, which isn't worth much.

Great point on the AJ. Boss is getting sun setting this month and we’re going to quantum that will have more features like this. Also the reflecter at close distances is boiler plate for all receivers. It’s just intense at 14 yards less intense at 1400 when you’re lasing reflective targets.