Why the hatred for savage?

Newlongrange · Aug 18, 2021

Not being a troll or anything but I’ve got to ask, why the hatred for savage?

While I was fortunate ( very ) to win my rifle in a raffle, the set up is still going to be a considerable investment for me. I really don’t want to put a lot of money into a sub standard rifle. My 13 year old is also really interested in shooting as well, and the rifle will eventually be his.

I just want to make sure I’m going to be investing in a rifle that will be fun for both of us and worth the investment needed.

Supersubes · Aug 18, 2021

They have their proponents, but in the end most just think of them as clunky budget rifles.

diggler1833 · Aug 18, 2021

They are a bit more prone to feeding/extraction issues than some other manufacturers, but generally are fairly accurate. Add to that the fact that the resale value is very low, even for semi-custom builds, and you see why many people aren't huge fans.

I won one of their new "bluprinted" 110s off of Gunbroker for $742 a month ago. The action is surprisingly smooth, and the rifle flat out shoots. Extraction is even great on my example...but feeding can be hit or miss...I definitely won't run the bolt too hard on mine.

Newlongrange · Aug 18, 2021

diggler1833 said:
They are a bit more prone to feeding/extraction issues than some other manufacturers, but generally are fairly accurate. Add to that the fact that the resale value is very low, even for semi-custom builds, and you see why many people aren't huge fans.

I won one of their new "bluprinted" 110s off of Gunbroker for $742 a month ago. The action is surprisingly smooth, and the rifle flat out shoots. Extraction is even great on my example...but feeding can be hit or miss...I definitely won't run the bolt too hard on mine.

We got ours ( 110 elite precision)off a raffle, it was one of 2 top prizes( other a Daniel defense AR pistol).

I’m hoping to have it set up by next summer, trying to avoid budget everything in the process.

SONIC SAAMI · Aug 18, 2021

Bolt lift

Moses42ak · Aug 18, 2021

A lot of it is personal preference. For me they feel clunky and the action looks like it was made in some guys garage with spare parts.

Badfinger · Aug 18, 2021

An AIAT is the most expensive rifle I've owned so far but I bought a MUCH less expensive Savage .223 and put a cheap scope on it for varmint shooting. it took a few rounds to break-in the barrel but at a hundred yards it's every bit as accurate as my AIAT and completely stock!

Changed · Aug 18, 2021

The only redeeming quality of savage rifles are the barrels.

The action design is awful. Have you ever seen a guy hitting his bolt handle to open the action? If you did, it was probably a savage. Despite the giant dildo of a bolt handle, they frequently require extra force to extract.

supercorndogs · Aug 18, 2021

You ever order a threading die, and when you get it, you realize it was made in china, of a direct cast of a real threading die. Litertyl the cutting edges on the thing were part of the mould, and it might cut, but its not going to cut well.

Thats what I see when I look over a Savage.

Savage barrels, usually look terrible on the inside. There is nothing special about their factory barrels. Savage do often shoot well, like most other production bolt action rifles. There is nothing special there either. Saying that will cause some serious butthurt though.

sirhrmechanic · Aug 18, 2021

Don't confuse hatred with ridicule...

Sirhr

fdkay · Aug 18, 2021

Newlongrange said:
Not being a troll or anything but I’ve got to ask, why the hatred for savage?

While I was fortunate ( very ) to win my rifle in a raffle, the set up is still going to be a considerable investment for me. I really don’t want to put a lot of money into a sub standard rifle. My 13 year old is also really interested in shooting as well, and the rifle will eventually be his.

I just want to make sure I’m going to be investing in a rifle that will be fun for both of us and worth the investment needed.

Savage rifles tend to be accurate, however, they do, in fact, put out some lemons.
Their customer service used to be pretty good about it and would quickly turn around any repairs.
They've been known to send out short throated chambers.
Lots of folks bitch about the trigger, I never had an issue with them. "Oh, but the blade" yada, yada, yada. You know what to do with the blade?
Ignore it. When you put your finger on the trigger, the blade retracts from nothing more than the weight of your finger.
Bolt lift bothers some, it WILL make you come off target. Kits are available for that.
Sometimes ejection is an issue, there are kits available for that too. I have NO idea why savage hasn't addresses that, as the kit is nothing more than a new spring and plunger.
I have been on Snipers Hide long enough to remember when folks were showing off their savage builds and falcon scopes.
It is a good rifle, made by a good company.
Put some good glass on it and enjoy it.

supercorndogs · Aug 18, 2021

Don't forget to swing by place in that sweet yellow chariot.

sirhrmechanic said:
Don't confuse hatred with ridicule...

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BoilerUP · Aug 18, 2021

As somebody who has owned close to a dozen different centerfire Savages over the years...

I give zero fucks about how they look.

My issues with them are, in order:
1a. Feeding issues
1b. Ejection issues
2. Bolt lift
3. Short chambers

Bolt lift, I can honestly deal with as guys want to compare them to $1500 customs you can manipulate with one finger. Most modern Savages I've handled honestly require less effort out of the box than RR serial 700s. It isn't refined, but it works.

The damn rifles, specifically short actions, are a major league PITA to get to feed properly. No, I've never thrown one in a chassis but even factory centerfeed short actions, both with factory flush DBM, factory box mag DBM, and blind mag ALL suck ass at feeding factory ammo reliably. 10TR, 110 Hog Hunter, 11 Predator Hunter are ones I had issues with all off the top of my head.

Ejection? Shouldn't have to jack with it to get to properly function.

Short chambers? Sent a 6.5 Creedmoor back cuz 140gr Hornady Amax ammo wouldn't chamber properly.

cast1 · Aug 18, 2021

I remember my first match. There was a guy there with a custom: Defiance, Bartlein, MPA chassis, Jewel HVR, Tangent Theta, full custom cerakote. He was cussing because he’d spent $10k on his rig and was still in the bottom third of shooters. It’s the Indian, not the arrow. There’s nothing wrong with such a fine rig, but ridiculing gear whores kind of get under my skin. Do the best you can with the best you can afford. What you’ve got is fine.

It’s been my experience that in a pile of savages and a pile of stock Remington 700’s, you’ll have many more shooters in the Savage pile. People hate on them but honestly I think it’s I’ll founded. I do agree the feeding is less than silky smooth in general, but mostly functional. I’ve also squadded with a guy whose GA precision wouldn’t reliably feed. None are immune to problems. The accutrigger is a good system, certainly better than the stock Remington. There are things that can be done to improve bolt lift if you want to put the money in it, but I’d spend my money on ammo to practice with. The upgradability of the Remington is obviously further reaching, but I have no hate for Savage. Good for you that you’ve got a rifle to get started with.

if you’re budget minded, I’d look hard at Athlon for your optic. I’ve found them to be a good value and haven’t had one that didn’t track. Good warranty. Hard to pick on them. I had to send one of my Khales back to Austria because it wouldn’t track and it was gone for three months. It’s fine now, but still…

Best of luck to you sir.

celltech · Aug 18, 2021

From an overall quality aspect there is nothing special about a Savage. They have figured out how to spend the least amount of money to make a rifle that can very well shoot as straight as anything else. But Savage has also made so many combinations of receiver specs that upgrading them becomes a confusing mess. The aftermarket has given up trying to support all but some core designs.

Several years ago Cabela's was selling a 12FV model built for them by Savage at a crazy low price. Combined with rebates, and after selling the OEM barrels, I essentially got actions for under $125. Add a decent stock/chassis, a custom barrel, few upgrades here and there, and I ended up with rifles that outshoot me on the cheap. They do seem to loosen up with time and cycle fine if I don't rush them. They have been an excellent way to learn about firearms and a fun use of my spare time.

Would I pay $1800 for one of these Elite Precision rifles? Nothing but a tarted up version of the $125 receiver that I have? Hell no... But if the price is right there is nothing wrong with them.

Frank Green · Aug 18, 2021

I'll throw my .02 in here. I'll also say that it depends on when the rifle was built. The guns built in the early 70's to real early 80's where of better quality. The picture below is of a Savage 112v J Series. The early 112V's where single shots. These where made from about 1974 to 1979. Also the earlier guns had a much nicer fit and finish then now a days. The one pictured below was a 223 Rem. (barrel was junk) I picked the gun up for $250. I installed a new barrel (1-7.5 twist with 5R rifling for my son (11 at the time). A nice entry level rifle. The older Savages had fully adjustable triggers. With minimal work/adjustment you can have the trigger working pretty good. I've got this one set at 3#. I modified the bolt handle with a new knob and has the stock modified so it's now an adjustable cheek piece with KMW hardware. One piece scope mount. When I installed the barrel I trued the receiver face and bolt face and double pinned an oversize recoil lug to the action and pillar bedded the stock. It's a nice shooting rig.

The Savage rifles for starters have some quirks. Bolt lift is typically heavier. Until several years ago...scope mount options where limited, trigger options where limited and just overall not a lot of aftermarket support for the guns. Detachable mag set ups etc...are also limited as well.

If you want to stick a little money and some time into them, again I feel they can make a great entry level rifle. That being said....spend your money wisely and if your serious about shooting....you will want better equipment in the long run. Reselling a Savage you typically won't get as much for them as has been pointed out as well.

For my kids starter rifle...nothing to bitch about. As accurate as any FTR gun, built Remmy etc...and in 223 Rem. he can shoot it as much as he wants and he's not gonna smoke the barrel right away either.

I also in the early days here used one of my Savage 112V's to test calibers/tooling etc...by changing the bolt head I ran that gun in 223, 6mm Rem., 243W, 308W and even 338 Lapua (the Lapua I would not do on a repeater Savage..single shot only and even at that I feel the action is marginal for strength/safety).

Later, Frank
Bartlein Barrels

Newlongrange · Aug 18, 2021

Our hope/thought is primarily to use it as a possible entry gun into competition if our son maintains interest, or just plinking if not. He’s left handed so I’m not sure how it will suit him.

diggler1833 · Aug 18, 2021

Forgot to mention my new 110 Timberline has a short throat too. I'm hitting lands with 120gr Nosler BT at 2.755 OAL, and 2.695 with 129gr Hornady Interlocks (6.5 manbun).

So feeding woes and a short throat in mine that is supposed to be one of their 'better' factory offerings.

However...the mother fucker will shoot. Two groups of five under 3/4 MOA during initial half-assed break-in. Now I've shot 11 groups for load development with two hunting bullets. Ive still yet to shoot a group over 1 MOA, and have several in the .4s.

I'm not a Savage fan. It's a pretty safe bet that mine will be my one and only centerfire Savage I'll own. But I do have to at least acknowledge that the accuracy has been impressive.

hafejd30 · Aug 18, 2021

Savage rifles are on par with Accuracy International at a fraction of the cost!!

Spock · Aug 18, 2021

So I have several custom rifles (GAP) and four savages and a couple stock(ish) Rem 700s. Out of the box all the savages shot incredibly well way better then the Rems. .223 and 308 are sub 1/2. The 338 LM is 3/4 but does copper foul pretty quickly, and a pencil barrel 7mm-08 is also a 3/4 gun 3 shot strings only. I have had no feeding issues all are mag fed in chassis (XLR). Only one that had extraction issues 308 it used to barely get the spent round out of the action but there are fixes for that. I don’t have an issue with the bolt lift but I do tend to run a bolt pretty aggressively. Are they butter smooth? No but dang for the money they shoot very well. I actually like the trigger but again not as nice a a TT. At this point in my life would I buy more probably not as customs are just so much nicer smoother etc but I still enjoy shooting the savages and my son has pretty much laid claim to them and waaaay better shooters than I had at 16 years old. They can be an excellent way to get into the long range game. I think I was lucky getting four with good barrels but that is the luck of the draw with a cheap mass produced gun.

308Gunner · Aug 18, 2021

The Savage’s that I have had all would shoot, the competition rifle that you have should shoot pretty damn good. I would not worry about dropping a lot of money into it until you find out if your son is serious. Buy the best scope you can afford and practice on fundamentals, and have fun shooting with your son.

Lowlight · Aug 18, 2021

People don’t realize there is more to a rifle than pure accuracy…

Sure a savage shoots plenty accurate, especially when compared to the average owner. However what the others offer is a peace of mind.

Again this weekend we had a Savage constantly shake loose. The student is improving a good clip only to be knocked back 3 steps because suddenly his rail is loose. In a 3 day class we had to remove, tighten and remount the scope 3x, that is not how you gain confidence in your gear.

My recommendation for potential new savage owners, buy it if you must, but take it apart, put it back together tight and if you are really smart open up and fix the base screws because a ton are out of spec.

The other issue, is the combination of Long Gun and AR features in several models, They just don’t lend to shooting correctly. It‘s terrible for the shooter.

Savages have potential this site did a Savage 260REM Project on a 10FP 20 years ago. Pre Accutrigger we bought 5 discontinued rifles in 260 and had after market triggers, better barrels along with a MCM A5 stock. It was very successful I still have that rifle but it is a single shot 6BR now with no barrel nut.

Savages are just ghetto… and I see a ton of them, the few that work as advertised are usually wrenched on in some way. Rarely does an out of the box savage work as advertised. But they can be made too…

Trust Me, Get a Tikka

Newlongrange · Aug 18, 2021

lowlight said:
People don’t realize there is more to a rifle that pure accuracy…

Sure a savage shoots plenty accurate, especially when compared to the average owner. However what the others offer is a peace of mind.

Again this weekend we had a Savage constantly shake loose. The student is improving a good clip only to be knocked back 3 steps because suddenly his rail is loose. In a 3 day class we had to remove, tighten and remount the scope 3x, that is not how you gain confidence in your gear.

My recommendation for potential new savage owners, buy it if you must, but take it apart, put it back together tight and if you are really smart open up and fix the base screws because a ton are out of spec.

The other issue, is the combination of Long Gun and AR features in several models, They just don’t lend to shooting correctly. It‘s terrible for the shooter.

Savages have potential this site did a Savage 260REM Project on a 10FP 20 years ago. Pre Accutrigger we bought 5 discontinued rifles in 260 and had after market triggers, better barrels along with a MCM A5 stock. It was very successful I still have that rifle but it is a single shot 6BR now with no barrel nut.

Savages are just ghetto… and I see a ton of them, the few that work as advertised are usually wrenched on in some way. Rarely does an out of the box savage work as advertised. But they can be made too…

Trust Me, Get a Tikka

The one I have I won in a raffle so for $100 ( cost of several tickets) I probably can’t complain too much

Been considering a used scope assuming we can find a reputable seller or possibly my really old Redfield 5 Star ( I know not the best) if I can figure out which box it’s in down in our basement.

John Glidewell · Aug 18, 2021

I am a Savage fan and still have a few....however....as has been stated there are issues and better entry level options out there. One of the big issues is finding after market parts, stocks, chassis etc - a whole lot more out there for Remington 700 footprints. I just had this discussion with one of my friends and I have to agree that there are better options in a similar price point which can be built on later as a shooter gets better. Tikka is one of them. I still love my Savage rifles, they helped get me to where I am at now, so not going trash them. I have learned in this sport, you get what you pay for. I now shoot a Big Horn TL3 so I can still switch out bolt heads and shoot different cartridges with little effort.

Stoweit · Aug 18, 2021

Why not sell it and buy a Tikka.

Newlongrange · Aug 18, 2021

Stoweit said:
Why not sell it and buy a Tikka.

None of the stores in my area have Tikka in stock.

I don’t think it would cover the cost of a Tikka anyways, not sure how much I could get for it “ used” ( never fired but not sure if they would consider new).

The best I could hope for is selling it and possibly buying a

Howa HCRA72507USG American Flag Chassis 6.5 Creedmoor 24. Local shop has one for 1300ish

Stoweit · Aug 18, 2021

Fair enough.

Newlongrange · Aug 18, 2021

Would the savage be better in overall quality and accuracy than the Howa?

John Glidewell · Aug 18, 2021

Here is my thoughts on your options.

1. The Savage Elite Precision is one of their newest models, released at shot show Jan 2020. It will probably suit your need just fine. The 6 creed is a good cartridge and we have shot them to a mile many times. I would suggest going through gun and making sure everything is torqued properly and scope rail has some lock tite on screws. But those are a nice entry level package, good chassis etc.

2. Sell it. Used funds to buy what you want.

3. Take it to Scheels - there may be other places that will trade - but I know Scheels does this. You can do a trade at Scheels, probably cost you a little out of pocket but you can get a Remington 700 type clone, Tikka, Bergara, Howa, or even a used rifle they may have.

Personally, since you won that in a raffle, I would just shoot it. They are nice rigs. It is an entry level match rifle, that's it. Put a decent scope on it and go shoot.

Newlongrange · Aug 18, 2021

Gwain said:
Here is my thoughts on your options.

1. The Savage Elite Precision is one of their newest models, released at shot show Jan 2020. It will probably suit your need just fine. The 6 creed is a good cartridge and we have shot them to a mile many times. I would suggest going through gun and making sure everything is torqued properly and scope rail has some lock tite on screws. But those are a nice entry level package, good chassis etc.

2. Sell it. Used funds to buy what you want.

3. Take it to Scheels - there may be other places that will trade - but I know Scheels does this. You can do a trade at Scheels, probably cost you a little out of pocket but you can get a Remington 700 type clone, Tikka, Bergara, Howa, or even a used rifle they may have.

Personally, since you won that in a raffle, I would just shoot it. They are nice rigs. It is an entry level match rifle, that's it. Put a decent scope on it and go shoot.

The only real consideration for the Howa is, with it being cheaper I could use the difference to towards a decent scope and start shooting sooner depending on what I could get for the savage.

Otherwise I would not consider selling/trading.

Baron23 · Aug 18, 2021

cast1 said:
It’s the Indian, not the arrow.

Ain't that the truth. I've seen a bunch of skeet shooters with K-80's blush as they got waxed by a guy with a 870. Turns out he's a Master Class and champion sporting clays shooter. It is def the Indian...well, except that 870 certainly won't hold up decade over decade like the K-80's. But for breaking clays, yep...its the Indian.

cast1 said:
Do the best you can with the best you can afford.

I completely agree with this also...I would FAR rather see someone shooting with something they can afford rather than not shooting because they can't afford the very best.

I'm with you....guy has a gun now, needs to save for an optic, all good.....at least he will be able to shoot.

Oh, and as said....some Savages are very precise. My cousin has one that shoots great. We NEVER put a bore scope down the barrel...oh, the horror, the horror! haha

Baron23 · Aug 18, 2021

lowlight said:
Trust Me, Get a Tikka

But Frank....he won the Savage in a raffle.....I don't see him looking to buy a gun from scratch like a Tikka but may be wrong.

Of course, there is always the option of selling the Savage NIB and adding that to savings for a better rifle.

Cheers

M4guru · Aug 18, 2021

I bought a 110 Tactical in 6.5CM at Cabela’s last year for $429, and it is stupid accurate with Hornady 143gr ELD-X. Easily on par with my Proof Glacier, Proof Elevation, AT, AX, Sauer 404…all more expensive by at least 10X.

I got it as a loaner to leave at hunting camp to let guys use as a backup. I tossed a Swaro Z5 5-25 on it and it’s been great. The action feels like shit and it has the worst bolt bind I’ve ever experienced…but for what it is it sure is a hammer.

fdkay · Aug 18, 2021

Newlongrange said:
The only real consideration for the Howa is, with it being cheaper I could use the difference to towards a decent scope and start shooting sooner depending on what I could get for the savage.

Otherwise I would not consider selling/trading.

The Howa is a better rifle.
Very good trigger, pretty slick action, very well made, one piece bolt.

AznTactical · Aug 18, 2021

Savages are GREAT for the money. That's it. Most folks complaining about Savages are not comparing it fairly. I have a Savage Elite Precision. Had feed issues. Beveled the plunger and now she's working like a dream. The action is clunky but so are my Howa's and Remy's. The smoothest <$1750 production rifle I've ever handled are Tikka TAC A1's. I have both and prefer to shoot the Savage over the Tikka for it's MDT ACC chassis, thicker barrel and is outshooting my TAC A1.

DukeGSP · Aug 18, 2021

things could be worse, you could've won a mossberg....

LRI · Aug 18, 2021

Why I avoid them like the bubonic plague:

The product is what it is; an entry-level piece with surprisingly good accuracy potential. What puts my nuts in a vise is the guy that pulls up (in a minivan with 2 or more kiddy seats strapped to the back), opens the door, and has diapers/formula bottles blowing across my asphalt, and wants a litany of services at some absurd discount rate because he is on a budget.

OR...

He wants the services but berates me over the price. Then concludes the conversation with an insinuation that we charge too much. I'm going to stop there before I really say something rude.

Experience is never cheap.

NewsShooter · Aug 18, 2021

I've had several Savages, only have one now, it's currently a .223, one of my most accurate rifles. Before this it has been a .308, 6.5 CM, and 7 saum.

All were accurate, but they're not as smooth as a custom, or even close to a Tikka, I have three Tikka's now. They don't feed as well or eject as well, though the one I started shooting long range with never gave me a problem.`If I'm going to buy a factory rifle now it would likely be a tikka, unless I needed a true long action. But I'd probably buy one of the PRS production setups. Usually they are less than what you can put a rifle together for if you bought all the parts separately. As was said before some hate the accutrigger, they work fine for me, treat the blade like the take up on a two stage trigger. I can get it down uner a pound if I don't run the action real fast, currently it's about 12oz.

Spock · Aug 18, 2021

lowlight said:
People don’t realize there is more to a rifle than pure accuracy…

Sure a savage shoots plenty accurate, especially when compared to the average owner. However what the others offer is a peace of mind.

Again this weekend we had a Savage constantly shake loose. The student is improving a good clip only to be knocked back 3 steps because suddenly his rail is loose. In a 3 day class we had to remove, tighten and remount the scope 3x, that is not how you gain confidence in your gear.

My recommendation for potential new savage owners, buy it if you must, but take it apart, put it back together tight and if you are really smart open up and fix the base screws because a ton are out of spec.

The other issue, is the combination of Long Gun and AR features in several models, They just don’t lend to shooting correctly. It‘s terrible for the shooter.

Savages have potential this site did a Savage 260REM Project on a 10FP 20 years ago. Pre Accutrigger we bought 5 discontinued rifles in 260 and had after market triggers, better barrels along with a MCM A5 stock. It was very successful I still have that rifle but it is a single shot 6BR now with no barrel nut.

Savages are just ghetto… and I see a ton of them, the few that work as advertised are usually wrenched on in some way. Rarely does an out of the box savage work as advertised. But they can be made too…

Trust Me, Get a Tikka

Totally agree on the scope bases they need to come off and be bedded if need be and loctited. I replaced all factory bases with badger. No issues with those. All the factory bases were loose and one had a cross thread that I had to fix and that goofy BA base got 86ed immediately. There are better options for sure now for getting into the game it was a little bit ago that I got mine. Also with all the prefit barrel options out there that benefit of a Savage is way less then it was. So out of the box maybe overstated with new chassis and bases right from the git go.

. Even with a cheap gun like a Savage you need quality components to go with them. Just don’t expect to recover on the sale of them. That’s why I never sell a firearm lol

BuLLet · Aug 18, 2021

Its so short, paint it white and it can be a mail truck...

sirhrmechanic said:
Don't confuse hatred with ridicule...

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sirhrmechanic · Aug 18, 2021

BuLLet said:
Its so short, paint it white and it can be a mail truck...

Fedex Ground... where the short bus riders go to work!

Sirhr

Im2bent · Aug 18, 2021

Next up......that Honda Civic is a piece of shit.....my Lambo is waaaaaay faster and has a way better fit and finish.

Rocketmandb · Aug 18, 2021

Newlongrange said:
Our hope/thought is primarily to use it as a possible entry gun into competition if our son maintains interest, or just plinking if not. He’s left handed so I’m not sure how it will suit him.

For this it will work very well (except for the left-handed part).

My first bolt action was a Savage, and it was a very accurate rifle. I routinely took it to a mile+ and had great results. I never really had any significant issues, and did some upgrades (K&M cheek riser, Timney trigger, Bartlein barrel(s), Decelerator pad, new bottom metal for CIP-length mags). The rifle works really well - so does my Jeep.

I've used this comparison before. I love my Jeep. It works really well and is a blast to take out to do what it's meant to do. But it's got its issues - noises, cosmetic items, somewhat crappy form factors on some things, etc. I have to fiddle with things all the time. But, again, it works. My Savage is like my Jeep.

My customs are more like a [insert quality automobile here]. Form, fit and function are all considered, and things just work. It looks good, and you feel comfortable driving it - and you don't get embarrassed when you give a friend a ride.

sirhrmechanic · Aug 18, 2021

LongRifles Inc. said:
Why I avoid them like the bubonic plague:

The product is what it is; an entry-level piece with surprisingly good accuracy potential. What puts my nuts in a vise is the guy that pulls up (in a minivan with 2 or more kiddy seats strapped to the back), opens the door, and has diapers/formula bottles blowing across my asphalt, and wants a litany of services at some absurd discount rate because he is on a budget.

OR...

He wants the services but berates me over the price. Then concludes the conversation with an insinuation that we charge too much. I'm going to stop there before I really say something rude.

Experience is never cheap.

There is a saying in the old car world...

"It's not your job to make their hobby affordable... "

Just sayin.

Sirhr

PS. +1 to @Frank Green comments on old Savages. I have my grandfather's 29A pump .22. 1930's, I think. And it is an absolutely beautiful bit of workmanship. Similarly, I've owned several 99's and they are utterly fantastic. Machining on the early ones with the brass number counters and rotary magazines... is really complex and the fit and finish is way better than what Winchester or Marlin were doing. Sadly, now it's mostly a name. But in its day, Savage was a tier-one gunmaker!

PPS.... +1 to @lowlight's comment. We all started somewhere. I still have a Rem. Varmint special in .223 with a big fugly tasco scope on it and a Plaster stock. It is still accurate as hell (and far better than the wood stock, that pushed POI all over the place.) We all started somewhere. And when I got/built that rifle c. 1989... had budgets. Like serious budgets. No hate for Savage. But irreverence is irreverence... and we have fun where we can!

OlsenG_360 · Aug 18, 2021

The short chambers drive me crazy, had two .308s that will pull bullets from 168gr FGMM when trying to unload a chambered round.

bunsen27 · Aug 18, 2021

Savage rifles are like the fat chicks and mopeds of the precision rifle world.

savage ten · Aug 18, 2021

still not giving up my savages. ive had no problems out out of the four I own

GlockandRoll · Aug 18, 2021

I have 4 and love them.
I've never found a more consistently accurate budget brand.
Button rifled, and the two-piece bolt face and even seating the back of the rim, as well as the accu-trigger.
It's hard not to dig something cheap that works.

I even put SWFA glass on mine to maximize the effect.

Hickswr · Aug 18, 2021

Ugly
Action ough
Triggers suck
Accuracy unimpressive

I’ll take a Howa instead

Krob95 · Aug 18, 2021

@Steel head don't you have like 20 of these things?

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Sergeant of the Hide

World's Okayest Rancher and Hog Hunter

Supporter

Sergeant

Full Bird Private

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Sergeant of the Hide

Rag Hole Precision

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Sergeant of the Hide

Supporter

Sergeant of the Hide

Rag Hole Precision

Sergeant of the Hide

Check 6

Check 6

Here for the cheap AI barrels

Gunny Sergeant

Really bad at math.

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Lance Criminal

Sergeant

Sergeant

I need a new gun!

Command Sgt. Major

Two Star General

Major Hide Member

Command Sgt. Major

Private

ACME Labs

Private

Sergeant

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