Need some suggestions - AREA 419 Sidewinder stuck

Estes640 · Aug 30, 2021

I picked this brake up on a rifle off of here. Unbeknownst to me, the brake is locked onto the adapter.

move tried strap wrench, on blaster, etc. any other suggestions? It looks like it’s almost free. Maybe soak in CLR to see if it’s carbon gumming it up?

I can’t move the locking collar either way. When I first got it, no threads on the adapter were showing, so I’ve moved it some. Threads don’t appear to be galled/crossthreaded

roostercogburn98 · Aug 30, 2021

Maybe try boiling water in case they used some sort of thread locker or rockset

Supersubes · Aug 30, 2021

Screwing the knurled portion clockwise frees it. Therefore if you screw the whole mess
Onto a muzzle, it should come right off, because you’ll be simultaneously tightening the universal adapter onto the muzzle thread, and forcing the brake off the adapter.

kriller134 · Aug 30, 2021

Any time my hellfire got stuck I gave it a whack with a mallet and it freed up. It’s the carbon that makes it stick

Estes640 · Aug 30, 2021

Supersubes said:
Screwing the knurled portion clockwise frees it. Therefore if you screw the whole mess
Onto a muzzle, it should come right off, because you’ll be simultaneously tightening the universal adapter onto the muzzle thread, and forcing the brake off the adapter.

I agree, but no such luck here. I was cranking on it both with strap wrench, vice grips, screw driver I stick in the port.

spife7980 · Aug 30, 2021

kriller134 said:
Any time my hellfire got stuck I gave it a whack with a mallet and it freed up. It’s the carbon that makes it stick

Me too with any stuck thread.

I’d stand it on a 2x4 and smack it with a 2x4 moderately hard. A little shock might set it free. If not boil it for a bit in case it’s rocksetted

Supersubes · Aug 30, 2021

Is the knurled ring free? I mean can you turn it counter clockwise like you would when installing it? That brake looks near new, hard to believe its carboned on there.

Estes640 said:
I agree, but no such luck here. I was cranking on it both with strap wrench, vice grips, screw driver I stick in the port.

Baron23 · Aug 30, 2021

No CLR. Per 419 it will turn your brake pink.

Estes640 said:
I picked this brake up on a rifle off of here. Unbeknownst to me, the brake is locked onto the adapter.

move tried strap wrench, on blaster, etc. any other suggestions? It looks like it’s almost free. Maybe soak in CLR to see if it’s carbon gumming it up?

I can’t move the locking collar either way. When I first got it, no threads on the adapter were showing, so I’ve moved it some. Threads don’t appear to be galled/crossthreaded

kthomas · Aug 30, 2021

In my experience (and that of those in my shooting circle), these A419 brakes are pretty prone to this problem.

My guess is the threads are pretty fine with little clearance, and as such don't tolerate debris such as carbon well.

candyx · Aug 30, 2021

Little heat from a torch to expand the locking nut.

Estes640 · Aug 30, 2021

Supersubes said:
Is the knurled ring free? I mean can you turn it counter clockwise like you would when installing it? That brake looks near new, hard to believe its carboned on there.

Knurling ring won’t move either direction

may have to try boiling.

Supersubes · Aug 30, 2021

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kthomas said:
In my experience (and that of those in my shooting circle), these A419 brakes are pretty prone to this problem.

My guess is the threads are pretty fine with little clearance, and as such don't tolerate debris such as carbon well.

Due to the tapers, carbon cannot reach the threads. Only thread on the brake are exposed in the OP’s pic. Note how clean they are.

nikonNUT · Aug 30, 2021

I'm an old timer but I would soak that sucker in Kroil and see if she don't free up!

Supersubes · Aug 30, 2021

Estes640 said:
Knurling ring won’t move either direction

may have to try boiling.

Something is way wrong. Id send it to 419. This is not a carbon issue. That knurled ring is only retained by a spring clip to the brake. The clip is the only thing i can imagine that is stopping it. Its out of it’s groove which bound the ring. Here’s a sidewinder.

Supersubes · Aug 30, 2021

At any point was the knurled ring free? If it was, and the brake was stuck on the taper due to locktiite, you putting a strap wrench on it may have caused the snap ring to fail. It was takingm all the thrust load.

Estes640 · Aug 30, 2021

That’s honestly what I figured my next option was. I appreciate all the responses. I’m going to reach out tomorrow and see what they say

Timo Turl · Aug 31, 2021

I had the same problem and A419 told me to whack it with a piece of 2x4. That worked.

Iwillylike2shoot · Aug 31, 2021

nikonNUT said:
I'm an old timer but I would soak that sucker in Kroil and see if she don't free up!

Second the Kroil. That would be what I try next.

LawnMM · Aug 31, 2021

Wonder if someone rocksetted the knurled ring

Estes640 · Aug 31, 2021

LawnMM said:
Wonder if someone rocksetted the knurled ring

I’d be surprised as I was able to move it a couple rotations before it completely locked up on me.

I tried the 2x4 method last night and gave it a couple good whacks, no luck there either. Figure I’ll reach out to the crew at area 419 and see what they say

260284 · Aug 31, 2021

I would soak it in Bore Tech Carbon remover for a few hours and see what that does. That or send it to area 419.

Stoweit · Aug 31, 2021

I would send it to Area 419, they will take care of you and get it back to you quickly. Those guys are great.

huntnh · Aug 31, 2021

I have the same problem with a hellfire sent it in yesterday

Lost_Phil · Aug 31, 2021

You do know that it has reversed threads? So turn right to loosen and left to tighten.

Estes640 · Aug 31, 2021

Lost_Phil said:
You do know that it has reversed threads? So turn right to loosen and left to tighten.

I do know that. It won’t move in either direction, as mentioned above, so not sure how that helps.

Jackmonkey · Sep 1, 2021

Estes640 said:
I picked this brake up on a rifle off of here. Unbeknownst to me, the brake is locked onto the adapter.

move tried strap wrench, on blaster, etc. any other suggestions? It looks like it’s almost free. Maybe soak in CLR to see if it’s carbon gumming it up?

I can’t move the locking collar either way. When I first got it, no threads on the adapter were showing, so I’ve moved it some. Threads don’t appear to be galled/crossthreaded

Looking at the 2nd and 3rd pic, I'm guessing the lock ring is cross threaded onto the adapter. There are 3-4 threads showing. I have two and can barely see 1 thread on mine when they are tight. Instead of beating the crap out of it, I would send it to Area 419 and have them look at it. Hopefully the brake hasn't been damaged and you only have to replace the adapter. OR, you can send it to me and I'll dispose of it properly for you.

Baron23 · Sep 1, 2021

Jackmonkey said:
Looking at the 2nd and 3rd pic, I'm guessing the lock ring is cross threaded onto the adapter. There are 3-4 threads showing. I have two and can barely see 1 thread on mine when they are tight. Instead of beating the crap out of it, I would send it to Area 419 and have them look at it. Hopefully the brake hasn't been damaged and you only have to replace the adapter. OR, you can send it to me and I'll dispose of it properly for you.

I’m fairly sure that he said that he got it moving just a bit and then no further and that’s why threads are showing.

That’s as far off as he could get it.

Estes640 · Sep 1, 2021

Baron is correct. I don’t believe it’s cross threaded and nor does area 419. I’m sending it to them and they are going to take care of it. Thanks for all the suggestions. It atleast allowed me to take to them everything I’ve tried with no resolution.

Ryan

Scout37 · Sep 1, 2021

Estes640 said:
I picked this brake up on a rifle off of here. Unbeknownst to me, the brake is locked onto the adapter.

move tried strap wrench, on blaster, etc. any other suggestions? It looks like it’s almost free. Maybe soak in CLR to see if it’s carbon gumming it up?

I can’t move the locking collar either way. When I first got it, no threads on the adapter were showing, so I’ve moved it some. Threads don’t appear to be galled/crossthreaded

Have. You tried heading out up with a small torch?

HeavyAssault · Sep 6, 2021

Had the same issue with a PX buy Sidewinder. Area419 gave me guidance, with my gorilla hands it finally popped free. Hope you get it worked out.

Estes640 · Sep 14, 2021

Sent the brake off to area 419 about a week and a half ago and a new brake was at my door today. Apparently it wasn’t only me that couldnt get it undone. I’m going to reach out to see if I can get a root cause from them but I’m atleast glad it wasn’t easy for them to get off.

Either way, hats off to Area 419 for just straight up replacing it! Awesome company to work with.

Supersubes · Sep 14, 2021

Estes640 said:
Sent the brake off to area 419 about a week and a half ago and a new brake was at my door today. Apparently it wasn’t only me that couldnt get it undone. I’m going to reach out to see if I can get a root cause from them but I’m atleast glad it wasn’t easy for them to get off.

Either way, hats off to Area 419 for just straight up replacing it! Awesome company to work with.

I dont know how often you clean, but take the brake off now and again. Clean the tapers, dry them completely, and reinstall. You should have no issues with sticking. No tools needed either.

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