They are head spaced at factory so that during the barrel change when you change it out, as long as it's torqued to the same amount, the head space is exactly the same each time. Cadex indexes each action at factory so they can spin up new barrels to fit exactly but I bet you any competent gun smith could do the same.
you're probably not wrong but looking at the design it doesn't seem overly complicated
In this case who is the “well known” barrel manufacturer?
this is 100% false, just because you didn’t have any issues doesn’t mean somebody else wouldn’t. I have an axmc, and it is 100% true that axmc’s do have a headspace problem with prefits, to the point where certain well known gunsmiths and gun stores I know do NOT do prefits for the axmc unless you send your rifle in, and once you send it in once they will log the info and you will not have to send it in again when ordering from the same place.
You are correct, it is a known issue with the axmc. Several smiths I know won’t do axmc prefits for liability issues unless you send your rifle in once, and they will log the info to then send you prefits for the future. But they do ax308 barrels no problem without sending the gun in, it’s a axmc issue and not the ax308 version
Yes what you said is 100% false, you said there is no issue, and there is literally posts on this site proving otherwise, but you go ahead and be a typical snipershide douchbag. I don’t give a fuck how many returns they have, I literally said clear as day I don’t know how common or big the issue is, but there is literally well known smiths who will NOT do axmc prefits for this reason, but hey I guess you fucking know it all better than themWow, AI must be getting lot's of returns then from the barrels they sell. Let's ask MileHigh and EuroOptic for some statistics.
100% false
Yes what you said is 100% false, you said there is no issue, and there is literally posts on this site proving otherwise, but you go ahead and be a typical snipershide douchbag. I don’t give a fuck how many returns they have, I literally said clear as day I don’t know how common or big the issue is, but there is literally well known smiths who will NOT do axmc prefits for this reason, but hey I guess you fucking know it all better than them
you were implying there was no issues when the other guy was explaining his issue, you then got hostile and brought up mile high and Euro and said “they must be getting a lot of barrel returns” and brought up “statistics” in a snobby way in response to me telling you about the problems with the axmc. So yes you were insinuating that there isn’t a problem with an ax rifle and prefits with how you said things.
you were 100% wrong about Ai prefits being the same and you 100% were clearly insinuating there isn’t any issues with them and then tried to prove your point by saying you have had zero issues with “all your barrels”.
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You literally just proved fuckin nothing lol, and in regards to your “iLl TaKe ThIs GuYs word over yours” ummm okay well I’ll take a world class smith and one of the more well known companies in the firearm industry (who built barrels for Ai) over anything you provided.I'll take this guys word over yours any day...
And here's the complete thread, one of those you mentioned being all over the site.
AI AXMC tolerances issues
Hi all, I was told by a really good gunsmith today that in order to get a barrel spun up for my 2018 AXMC, I have to send the gun and bolt. The reason is that there are some tolerances inconsistencies with the AXMC.. first time I heard this about the AXMC. can you educate me on this? cheers
Now we're down to AI England barrels, this get's narrower and narrower.
You literally fucking said barrels “from Ai”
barrels from “Ai” are England, barrels from America if that’s what you were wanting to say are “Ai America” or “Ai USA”. You keep moving the goalpost and you have failed to answer anything in regards to the statements you made after I told you about The axmc prefit problem and you saying what you did as if there is no issue. The bottom line is you claimed that “Ai barrels are the same” and that you have “lots of different barrels that all fit in your rifles” insinuating that the Ai barrels are the same as you said and will fit all rifles, and they will NOT. Nobody was fucking talking about “different part numbers” for different barrels or would take what you said in that way, you made it sound like you were talking about tolerances and fitting rifles. You literally fucking said barrels “from Ai”
And yes the short action ax doesn’t have the problem as I stated so wtf does that have to do with the axmc?
I own the axmc and the cadex Kraken (both rifles in question) there hasn’t been any offence taken in regards to one of the two rifles being downplayed, both are top tier. The issue is you saying the words “all Ai barrels are the same” and stating that you have no issues with all of yours fitting all your rifles in response to a gentleman’s post about his slight small issue with the tolerance of his axmc. And given what you said you seemed to imply weather it was your intention or not that there isn’t an issue, but most importantly you saying “Ai barrels ARE all the same” and that everything fits okay with your rifles and all your barrels, indicating you were saying the specs on the barrel threads and everything is all the same on the barrels, and I said that is not true and it is not. The specs on the threads and the surface areas/gaps on the the whole breach end of the barrel are not all perfect and the same and that will cause huge issues with headspace in axmc rifles that may have that problem like the guy said he has, and others aswell that have that problem with the axmc where the axmc bolts for all the calibers are sometimes just very slightly out of spec.
Ai does get it right with the large shank, the problem is with the bolt of the axmc. The bolt on the axmc has had some occasions of consistency issues with the different caliber bolts for the axmc, that is why I mentioned that the barrels directly from Ai will work on axmc rifles 98% of the time even if they are a little tiny bit out of spec and will still pass a gauge test, however like I’ve been saying an axmc with one of those bolt issues where the bolt is not exactly the same specs will have issues with one of the Ai barrels that are very very slightly off because of the bolt tolerance or other tolerance issue like the gentleman posted above.I don't have a Kraken, but I do have 4 others from Cadex. I'd consider buying the Kraken, but the barrel swap and factory interchangeable barrels needing to be produced for your serialized rifle holds me back some. The words I used are exactly "There is no differences from AI shipped barrels", there is none as far as the consumer/buyer is concerned. You can not order but a single part numbered barrel from AI for that caliber and length. I seriously doubt AI is delivering barrels out of spec. Could it happen sure anything is possible, though very unlikely.
I have more then a dozen of both small and large shank AI barrels, none of which showed any of the problems as described here. I'm not coming from a sample of 1 mind you. The requests for you to provide part numbers was to refute your "100% false" comment.
The problem you mentioned could be more related to 3rd party smiths making prefits that could be subjected to more tolerance stacking.
If AI in your opinion can get it right for the AXSA small shank, why then would they potentially fail with the AXMC large shank?
I'm more then willing to accept AXMC/AXSR owners here on the hide saying factory AI barrels failed to headspace correctly on their rifles. That's no different then my claim that mine all work, and frankly I'd raise hell with AINA if they didn't.
AINA subs out the barrels, they are Bartleins and chambered by WinTac currently. Either could have a bad apple, but I never hear of people returning AI barrels due to them being defective.
Keep up the good work calling people 'Gentleman'
