Suppressors Abel Company - new offerings - Suppressors!

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Hey Everyone,

We'd like to formally announce a new offering from Abel Co to the members of SnipersHide! The Biscuit and Biscuit-S suppressors - our first 2 models (with plenty more to come down the line). For those that don’t know us, we designed and manufacture the Abel Table, a modular tac table that can be used for a multitude of different tasks.


Abel Company was created to provide quality products and resources that support American citizens, our military and our law enforcement. The owners of Abel Co. come from a long background of Aerospace & Defense manufacturing and fabrication - experience and knowledge that we take into Abel Company. Our goal is to grow Abel into a defense solutions company that provides goods and knowledge to our customers.


Our Suppressor - The Biscuit/Biscuit-S

Our concept, that we took to development, is to make a suppressor that functions well on every platform and mostly caters to individuals who want one suppressor for ALL of their firearms We have done extensive testing on our end to hit several key criteria prior to approving release to market.


The key criteria we achieved is as follows:
1. Suppress sound (obviously) to levels under/near 140 Db at the shooter's ear per MIL-STD-1474. This criteria was achieved; different platforms yield different results, but overall this was achieved. We use the B&K Impulse Noise Evaluation System (PULSE) for all in-house testing and we partnered with PewScience to provide 3rd party testing.
2. Create a suppressor that does not add significant length or weight to the firearm. This was a mandatory design characteristic for us as a result of meeting with active LE/MIL personnel that made their concerns known. This suppressor must be at home on a precision bolt gun and in a CQC environment.
3. Minimize the back pressure felt/experienced by the shooter and the host weapon system. This is especially important as we are marketing this suppressor as a do-all suppressor and it musty perform reliably on gas-sensitive systems.
4. Minimal to non-existent POI shift and predictable repeatability.
5. Affordability. It is important to us that we manufacture and sell suppressors that are affordable to the consumer.

The Biscuit was designed as a "Jack of all trades” suppressor. It is 1.80”-1.85” in diameter, fully-welded 17-4 stainless (heat-treated to the H900 condition) and features an industry standard 1.375x24 threaded mounting end. The Biscuit weighs in at 15.9 ozs, is 5.5” long and is rated as a hard use suppressor. The end cap is welded but can be ordered in .223 or .30 exit diameters. It can be used on anything from SBRs to magnum bolt guns. We have tested and rated it up to 300PRC.

While this was not designed to be a specific bolt gun only can, it has proven to be excel when testing POA/POI shifts (I personally shot a 10 shot group where every other round was attached vs off and it was under 1 inch).

The MSRP for the biscuit is $790 and the S is $700. We will be offering an introductory discount for Hide members so please PM me for the code. Please ask us any questions you have in this thread and we will be happy to answer them.

https://abelcousa.com/suppressors/rifle/

Please also follow us on Instagram @abelcousa

Big shoutout to @lowlight, @Enough Said, @sstacllc and Sawtooth rifles for their input and picture credit.

Now, some pictures!
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We shot the Biscuit a bunch this week at the PA Class, I added it to my AX and man do I really like shooting it.

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it's got a great tone, accuracy was superb, and the size is right.

Not only that the pulse it not as long of a push as you see with a longer can. Part of the issue why people are running brakes vs cans is the recoil pulse. They tend to longer and slower, which is a good thing for most, but when you are on the clock it can mean a second or two here or there depending how you drive the rifle.
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Plus it's just a really great looking suppressor.

When I get back to CO, I will take the Biscuit 30 out and do some video work with it, it's a nice precision rifle suppressor.
 
I think I heard Jay mention you on his latest podcast. That's a nice-looking part, and it sounds (no pun intended) like it works just as well. I wish you luck in your new endeavor!
 
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Looks interesting! Do you mind talking about the differences between the two? Your website shows weight and length but how about performance? Is there a performance loss with the S? @hic28
 
Looks interesting! Do you mind talking about the differences between the two? Your website shows weight and length but how about performance? Is there a performance loss with the S? @hic28
For reference:

On 300BLK through the biscuit S we saw the following compared to the standard biscuit:

Muzzle Db: increase of 7db (154)
L/R Ear: increase of 3Db (145.5)

We didn’t test it on a .308 bolt gun because it was made with a 300BLK in mind for Scott.

Obviously the S is louder, all the rest of the performance like POI is the same. First round flash is more obvious and the flash suppression isn’t quite as good on the S as the 5.5” biscuit but it was intended to be really short so it’s give and take really.
 
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For reference:

On 300BLK through the biscuit S we saw the following compared to the standard biscuit:

Muzzle Db: increase of 7db (154)
L/R Ear: increase of 3Db (145.5)

We didn’t test it on a .308 bolt gun because it was made with a 300BLK in mind for Scott.

Obviously the S is louder, all the rest of the performance like POI is the same. First round flash is more obvious and the flash suppression isn’t quite as good on the S as the 5.5” biscuit but it was intended to be really short so it’s give and take really.

Thanks!
 
I like the size. Going with something about the same as a hand guard outer diameter is a cool idea.

Rated as hard use means it's OK for lots of fast, hot, short barrel shit? That's kind of a hole in my collection...
 
I like the size. Going with something about the same as a hand guard outer diameter is a cool idea.

Rated as hard use means it's OK for lots of fast, hot, short barrel shit? That's kind of a hole in my collection...
Yep. Mag dump to your hearts content!
 
Sweet looking can! Does it retain the gold look, or does it dull out over time with heat?
It’s just the original heat treat patina so it will probably dull over a long-long period of time. We’ve been shooting it for about a year with that and it hasn’t dulled hardly at all even after getting it glowing.

Would this be worth adding to the stable if we already own a TBAC Ultra 9 30cal can?
Yes it would. The ultra 9 is an excellent can but fills a different purpose. I’ve got one and use it for different rifles. I love TBACs but I look at suppressors as tools, each tool serves a different purpose.
 
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This can looks awesome! I'm really intrigued by the design, love the features of it.

Really wish I wasn't a broke student...

I see the can is rated up to .300PRC -so I'm assuming a .300NM is a no-go, even with a long (~28" barrel)?
 
This can looks awesome! I'm really intrigued by the design, love the features of it.

Really wish I wasn't a broke student...

I see the can is rated up to .300PRC -so I'm assuming a .300NM is a no-go, even with a long (~28" barrel)?
We only published .300prc because I shot it a shit ton with my PRC and no issues after x-raying it. Personally I would shoot it with a .300nm. I need to make an adapter and test it. My norma is 7/8x24 and I don’t have a DT adapter for that.
 
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We only published .300prc because I shot it a shit ton with my PRC and no issues after x-raying it. Personally I would shoot it with a .300nm. I need to make an adapter and test it. My norma is 7/8x24 and I don’t have a DT adapter for that.

My .300NM is 5.8x24.

Send one to me for testing :cool:
 
I was at the PA clinic where Frank and Marc had and ran a Biscuit for us. It is indeed short, quiet, and as far as I could tell putting it on and off did not have much, if any, impact on POI on Frank's AI.

All knowledgable people there (which is NOT me haha) seemed to like it very much.
 
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Quick (possibly stupid) question... Yall are based out of San Jacinto, California... Unless something must have very recently changed, last I knew suppressors are not legal in CA and same for SBR's and most AR15 models unless highly bastardized to negate their function.

Are these being manufactured in a different state? The reason I ask, is because they say CA on the can, and I thought the can had to be marked with the state of manufacture?

Did something change with the law, or how are yall "Abel" to do this? Sorry, I had to make a pun. 😂

All that being said... I love the looks of the can, and might add a Biscuit to the collection. Do yall sell through Silencer Shop? Or are yall still direct?
 
Quick (possibly stupid) question... Yall are based out of San Jacinto, California... Unless something must have very recently changed, last I knew suppressors are not legal in CA and same for SBR's and most AR15 models unless highly bastardized to negate their function.

Are these being manufactured in a different state? The reason I ask, is because they say CA on the can, and I thought the can had to be marked with the state of manufacture?

Did something change with the law, or how are yall "Abel" to do this? Sorry, I had to make a pun. 😂

All that being said... I love the looks of the can, and might add a Biscuit to the collection. Do yall sell through Silencer Shop? Or are yall still direct?
Suppressors and SBRs can and are made in CA under existing laws. Surefire, for example, is from CA.

However, normal Americans cannot possess such items in the state.
 
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Suppressors and SBRs can and are made in CA under existing laws. Surefire, for example, is from CA.

However, normal Americans cannot possess such items in the state.
Ahhh, gotcha. I didn't know that. That's pretty shitty for the people who live in that state. Like one big giant 🖕🏼 to the people who live there. That's a pretty fucked up law.
 
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First off that thing looks sexy.

Question,

How does this compare to the Dominus SR, CGS Helios ect... as far as sound reduction, flash suppression ect?

High temp cerakote options? I know you stated welded cap but any chance of interchangeable front caps (solid vs. vented) in the future?

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Visited the website which answered the color questions.
 
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Quick (possibly stupid) question... Yall are based out of San Jacinto, California... Unless something must have very recently changed, last I knew suppressors are not legal in CA and same for SBR's and most AR15 models unless highly bastardized to negate their function.

Are these being manufactured in a different state? The reason I ask, is because they say CA on the can, and I thought the can had to be marked with the state of manufacture?

Did something change with the law, or how are yall "Abel" to do this? Sorry, I had to make a pun. 😂

All that being said... I love the looks of the can, and might add a Biscuit to the collection. Do yall sell through Silencer Shop? Or are yall still direct?
Yes we are in Cali and they are manufactured here. The laws are stupid but we figured them out.

we are working out the silencer shop stuff but for now we are direct. When you’re ready to buy let me know.
 
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Yes we are in Cali and they are manufactured here. The laws are stupid but we figured them out.

we are working out the silencer shop stuff but for now we are direct. When you’re ready to buy let me know.
Will-do brother. 👍🏼

I mostly shoot .30 cal cans, and like the large high-volume cans like my Nomad-LT for maximum suppression (I'm not worried about length for CQB...I'm not kicking in doors. LOL), so I'm curious how much a standard Biscuit would compare in volume.

Do yall do custom stuff? Would it be possible to get a custom 1-off Biscuit & Gravy (Biscuit-L)? 🤣
 
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First off that thing looks sexy.

Question,

How does this compare to the Dominus SR, CGS Helios ect... as far as sound reduction, flash suppression ect?

High temp cerakote options? I know you stated welded cap but any chance of interchangeable front caps (solid vs. vented) in the future?

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Visited the website which answered the color questions.
Well it depends on your system/platform.

Average Comparison to dominus on 30 cal platforms:

Biscuit is Louder at the ear by about 3-4 DB, at the muzzle about 8-10 Db. Ours is 1” shorter, flash suppression is very similar and ours has a much better recoil impulse, significantly less back pressure and a better tone/pitch IMO. Dominus is light because it’s titanium but it’s also almost twice the cost.

Never tested the CGS Helios but I’ve only ever heard good things. They are much more expensive, about twice the cost, heavier and also 1” longer. Their bore is similar to ours so I would expect similar back pressure to ours.

We will develop interchangeable caps on future cans, but fully welded is more reliable in our experience. The biggest issues we have had with threaded muzzle caps from other companies is that overtime you end up getting carbon lock and you no longer can interchange them. We wanted to come out with something reliable on our 1st can to hit the market. The biscuit will always be welded as far as any future plans are concerned. New models will have cap options.
 
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Will-do brother. 👍🏼

I mostly shoot .30 cal cans, and like the large high-volume cans like my Nomad-LT for maximum suppression (I'm not worried about length for CQB...I'm not kicking in doors. LOL), so I'm curious how much a standard Biscuit would compare in volume.

Do yall do custom stuff? Would it be possible to get a custom 1-off Biscuit & Gravy (Biscuit-L)? 🤣
Ha! A 9 baffle biscuit would be heavy as hell being 17-4. We’ve got some Ti stuff in the works.
 
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Ha! A 9 baffle biscuit would be heavy as hell being 17-4. We’ve got some Ti stuff in the works.
That would be cool! I could go for a BLT (Biscuit-L Titanium)... I'd be down for testing one of those, for sure, just let me know. I live 5 minutes from my local SOT that's also a machine gun range. 👍🏼 A BLT would actually be more geared towards what I need. I mostly shoot at the range and hunting, so I'm not doing any rapid-firing. Mostly just precision bolt-action, and target shooting with the AR's and subsonics with the .300 BLK. 👍🏼

If I need to get stupid, I have 2 Sandman-S cans made for that type of abuse. LOL

Are all your cans HUB threaded? 1.375x24 to accept universal mounts like the DA KeyMo?
 
Well it depends on your system/platform.

Average Comparison to dominus on 30 cal platforms:

Biscuit is Louder at the ear by about 3-4 DB, at the muzzle about 8-10 Db. Ours is 1” shorter, flash suppression is very similar and ours has a much better recoil impulse, significantly less back pressure and a better tone/pitch IMO. Dominus is light because it’s titanium but it’s also almost twice the cost.

Never tested the CGS Helios but I’ve only ever heard good things. They are much more expensive, about twice the cost, heavier and also 1” longer. Their bore is similar to ours so I would expect similar back pressure to ours.

We will develop interchangeable caps on future cans, but fully welded is more reliable in our experience. The biggest issues we have had with threaded muzzle caps from other companies is that overtime you end up getting carbon lock and you no longer can interchange them. We wanted to come out with something reliable on our 1st can to hit the market. The biscuit will always be welded as far as any future plans are concerned. New models will have cap options.

Sending a pm.
 
Well it depends on your system/platform.

Average Comparison to dominus on 30 cal platforms:

Biscuit is Louder at the ear by about 3-4 DB, at the muzzle about 8-10 Db. Ours is 1” shorter, flash suppression is very similar and ours has a much better recoil impulse, significantly less back pressure and a better tone/pitch IMO. Dominus is light because it’s titanium but it’s also almost twice the cost.

Never tested the CGS Helios but I’ve only ever heard good things. They are much more expensive, about twice the cost, heavier and also 1” longer. Their bore is similar to ours so I would expect similar back pressure to ours.

We will develop interchangeable caps on future cans, but fully welded is more reliable in our experience. The biggest issues we have had with threaded muzzle caps from other companies is that overtime you end up getting carbon lock and you no longer can interchange them. We wanted to come out with something reliable on our 1st can to hit the market. The biscuit will always be welded as far as any future plans are concerned. New models will have cap options.
I think the answer there is a male thread on the cap that goes into a female thread with a recess so the inner raised portion would actually come up and screw flush against the cap vs the threaded portion making the flush fit against the cap. (Hope that makes sense). Then the threads on the cap aren't exposed to carbon, only the flat that sits against the cap which that raised flat would protect the threaded portion from getting carbon
 
Just pulled the trigger on ordering a Biscuit, very excited to eventually get to shoot it :p

In the meantime, if there's any videos that demonstrate how it sounds and the recoil impulse, that would be fun to see!
 
Got a chance to run a Biscuit through my Tac Ops and was nothing short of impressed. Recoil impulse was so smooth. The craziest thing was accuracy with the can (it hammered). Some 100 yard groups (all suppressed) before going out to 675 and hammering an ipsc. Targets were 1” circles.

5 shots (1 round high was cold bore)
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Couple 3 shot groups

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Any info on the Tomd adapter/muzzle device? Is it interchangeable with anything else on the market? I assume that's what most are using on the biscuit so accuracy should be good right?
I believe it's proprietary.

From what I gather, it's very similar to a cherry bomb style mechanism, but with a LH thread. It uses the hub thread, so any suppressor that has hub threads can use this style mount.

I don't have my Biscuit yet (still in jail), but mine will be mounted to the rifle with a Rearden SPB (same mount interface as Q cherry bomb).