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I'm still waiting for the ATF to release my Biscuit from jail...
Interested in seeing these titanium cans. Of course they have to be released after I purchased a Biscuit
Interested in seeing these titanium cans. Of course they have to be released after I purchased a Biscuit
Unfortunately not, we just got a new laser and are at the mercy of the techs from germany to set it up and provide training.
This new laser is going to be dedicated to the ti cans and all the other equipment is pumping out biscuits right now.
On the positive note, testing on the Ti can which we named the "Theorem" has exceeded expectations!
Heres a sneak peek while we were goofing off.
It's a great looking and well made suppressor, and it's packaged very well. Can't wait to shoot this thing!
So far my only critique is that Abel must've hired the guy that used to put the Tikka barrels on, as that 1-3/8 to 5/8x24 bushing was on the suppressor TIGHT! I had to thread it on to an old barrel placed in a barrel vice, really torquing up the bushing to the barrel. Was finally able to get it loose with a few blows of a rubber mallet to the spanner wrench. The bushing is still on the old barrel, already nicked the threads of the bushing trying to remove it.
Otherwise, I like what I've seen so far! Will update after I try it out at the range.
So far my only critique is that Abel must've hired the guy that used to put the Tikka barrels on, as that 1-3/8 to 5/8x24 bushing was on the suppressor TIGHT! I had to thread it on to an old barrel placed in a barrel vice, really torquing up the bushing to the barrel. Was finally able to get it loose with a few blows of a rubber mallet to the spanner wrench. The bushing is still on the old barrel, already nicked the threads of the bushing trying to remove it.
Otherwise, I like what I've seen so far! Will update after I try it out at the range.
I'd really like to compare one to my dominus. Could be a great alternative. Keep us posted!
Wish I had a Dominus to compare it to. Best I can do is a SiCo Omega.
I'll be sure to follow up after my first range trip.
Any new eta on the Theorem?
I’d really like to get one when they come out. Just trying to decide if I can wait long enough or if I should get something else on order for now.
I’d really like to get one when they come out. Just trying to decide if I can wait long enough or if I should get something else on order for now.
Heading out to the range Friday. Haven't been able to test it yet because my local range was flooded out until just recently. I'll report back.
We’re at the mercy of the Trumpf setup team which bumped us back to early October.
The current plan is to get the website up with preorders at the end of the month.
Until we have the welder up and running, we can’t give a solid date. When our equipment is running and I know that we are able to deliver on promises then I will give an exact date.
I truly believe it’s worth the wait, we are doing everything in our power to get it on the market.
In the meantime, we’re still cranking out biscuits on a different welder and have them in several departments hands and to resellers across the country. Exceeding our projected numbers by much more than we anticipated!
I’ll update this thread as soon as I have more concrete dates
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Mini review:
Took the Abel Co. Biscuit out to the range for the first time on Friday and put some 6.5 creedmoor rounds through it. And here are my thoughts.
Recoil impulse is very impressive, as others have talked about. When compared to my wife's Omega with 6.5mm endcap, the recoil impulse felt much more like what you would experience with a muzzle brake, rather than a suppressor. Getting the rifle back on target can be achieved much more efficiently with the Biscuit than the Omega. Not sure if this was an actual design intent or if its a by-product from the nature of it being short and "fat", but I'll take it. Probably my favorite performance aspect of this suppressor, its that nice!
Sound suppression is good - from what I can tell, it's about equivalent to my wife's Omega with 6.5mm end cap. I did a side by side between the two suppressors, shooting them back to back on my rifle. The Biscuit has a very pleasant tone, I preferred it to the Omega's tone. I should point out that I was shooting at a semi-public range under a metal roof, not the best environment to test acoustics.
Precision - from what I can tell so far, this can has no ill-effect on precision. Used it on my new hunting barrel that I'm still breaking it, but shot it even better suppressed than unsuppressed. Part of that is certainly due to me shooting better suppressed, I can be a bit sensitive to concussion. But no concerns at all about any ill-effect on precision.
Overall, a quality and beautiful can. I'm very pleased with it! It will be going hunting with me this fall, and then off to shoot the PRS match at CCC in Navasota in January.
Also, shout out to @hic28 and his team! In a previous post I mentioned buggering up the 1-3/8 to 5/8x24 adapter, and @hic28 was quick to respond to send me a new adapter and an additional spanner wrench. That's customer service! Very happy to support a company that takes care of its customers.
Took the Abel Co. Biscuit out to the range for the first time on Friday and put some 6.5 creedmoor rounds through it. And here are my thoughts.
Recoil impulse is very impressive, as others have talked about. When compared to my wife's Omega with 6.5mm endcap, the recoil impulse felt much more like what you would experience with a muzzle brake, rather than a suppressor. Getting the rifle back on target can be achieved much more efficiently with the Biscuit than the Omega. Not sure if this was an actual design intent or if its a by-product from the nature of it being short and "fat", but I'll take it. Probably my favorite performance aspect of this suppressor, its that nice!
Sound suppression is good - from what I can tell, it's about equivalent to my wife's Omega with 6.5mm end cap. I did a side by side between the two suppressors, shooting them back to back on my rifle. The Biscuit has a very pleasant tone, I preferred it to the Omega's tone. I should point out that I was shooting at a semi-public range under a metal roof, not the best environment to test acoustics.
Precision - from what I can tell so far, this can has no ill-effect on precision. Used it on my new hunting barrel that I'm still breaking it, but shot it even better suppressed than unsuppressed. Part of that is certainly due to me shooting better suppressed, I can be a bit sensitive to concussion. But no concerns at all about any ill-effect on precision.
Overall, a quality and beautiful can. I'm very pleased with it! It will be going hunting with me this fall, and then off to shoot the PRS match at CCC in Navasota in January.
Also, shout out to @hic28 and his team! In a previous post I mentioned buggering up the 1-3/8 to 5/8x24 adapter, and @hic28 was quick to respond to send me a new adapter and an additional spanner wrench. That's customer service! Very happy to support a company that takes care of its customers.
Used the Biscuit on the AR-15 for the first time today, and man is it pleasant!
Previously used the wife's Omega with 6.5mm end cap, and the back pressure would result in a lot of gas coming out of the election port. So much so that it's very unpleasant.
Completely different story with the Biscuit. Mostly shot pistol today, so only got about ~50 rounds down the suppressed ar-15, but no noticeable gas at all out of the ejection port. Night and day difference between the Omega and Biscuit for that.
Overall, really enjoying your Biscuit! Seems just as much at home on an ar-15 as it is a precision bolt gun, exactly what I wanted.
Previously used the wife's Omega with 6.5mm end cap, and the back pressure would result in a lot of gas coming out of the election port. So much so that it's very unpleasant.
Completely different story with the Biscuit. Mostly shot pistol today, so only got about ~50 rounds down the suppressed ar-15, but no noticeable gas at all out of the ejection port. Night and day difference between the Omega and Biscuit for that.
Overall, really enjoying your Biscuit! Seems just as much at home on an ar-15 as it is a precision bolt gun, exactly what I wanted.
Will the new titanium suppressor be similar design/ length/ diameter as the biscuit just with titanium?
Biscuit is just shy of 6” dia
Theorem is 5” 9/16
The Theorem will have 3 lengths, this is standard, we will have a shorter and longer version, haven’t settled on exact lengths though.
Are the recoil characteristics going to be the same between the Biscuit and the Theorem?
That’s hard to quantify, the theorem was designed for optimal suppression from a bolt gun so it’s a bit higher back pressure. On a 28” 308 it is very very comfortable to shoot, I can watch trace.
This is the only video I have shooting it so far, we’ve been shooting the crap out of it but I’m bad at remembering to record stuff
I’ll be at the CD team safari next week with one on a 6.5cm. I’ll try to get some video for you
This is the only video I have shooting it so far, we’ve been shooting the crap out of it but I’m bad at remembering to record stuff
I’ll be at the CD team safari next week with one on a 6.5cm. I’ll try to get some video for you
Finally! The laser welder is up and running and we are producing Theorems. Website is updated and I will be making a new thread with introductory SH discounts available.
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THEOREM
A 30 caliber suppressor made out of 100% titanium that is designed to have peak performance and look incredible.
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Abel Company - Theorem Titanium Supressor!
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Totally random question. Who makes that lightweight stock shown on the home page with the THEOREM can.
What's the Theorum rated to? I see on the site it's a 22" 300PRC. Only reason why I ask is that I had a incident with another suppressor shooting a 26" 300NM kinda fast. Let's say the internal core was never to be found again. Still had the outer tube though. The suppressor was warrantied but really looking into something with a bit more strength.
What do you consider kinda fast? Like a standard 10-12 round stage in under 90 seconds? Or sustained firing of 50 with no time to cool between?
After 900+ degrees, any ti can is gonna eventually fail when you just continuously dump high pressure rounds through it. Yield strength decreases with heat. So high temp conditions will decrease the amount of pressure the suppressor walls or welds will sustain. That’s why calculating safety factor and understanding it is important for suppressor design lol. People can chase the “lightest” suppressor but at the end of the day wall thickness and heat are kinda the factors that decide what the can is capable of.
That being said, I’ve sent plenty of strings of 10 and 15 PRC through it with no issues, granted, I gave it time to cool between strings.
One of our good friends Andrew just smoked this 700lb cow elk while running a theorem.
It’s now 2024, how is your Biscuit shooting?I'm still waiting for the ATF to release my Biscuit from jail...
Interested in seeing these titanium cans. Of course they have to be released after I purchased a Biscuit
I love it.
Works great on my 6BRA and 6.5 Creedmoor. Enough volume to suppress those cartridges well, similar to my wife's SiCo Omega from what I can tell with my ears. Recoil impulse is very pleasant, it gets back on target quick.
It's incredibly well made, and the guys at Abel provide great CS if you need anything. They've been a pleasure to deal with.
All in all, a great short action cartridge suppressor. Its not the largest volume suppressor, so for bigger cartridges (any magnum and up), you are probably going to want a bigger suppressor.
I've tried it on my .300NM, and admittedly it wasn't pleasant. Not enough volume to tame that cartridge, but that shouldn't be surprising to anyone.
Zero regrets, I really enjoy this suppressor.
That’s alright. No magnum cartridges here. I have a .260 Remington precision rifle, and a 6.5 creedmoor hunting rifle.
If you want maximum suppression, you are going to want a large volume suppressor like the Theorem-L or TBAC Magnus.
If you want good suppression, great recoil reduction, and a quality can that's less than $1k, the Biscuit is an excellent pick.
Tbh, I don’t care much about maximum suppression. I liked your review a couple of years ago that it was like having a muzzle brake on the end that also had decent suppression. Also that it was easy to get back onto target.
Just pushed an update to the website with a new version of the biscuit and a 4th of July sale!
They’re currently in testing, this is a prototype.
They are working very well so far.
Should have more info about delivery timelines in a few weeks.
Without stepping on toes... Please don't create a symmetrical brake along the lines of TBAC. I have found it is not ideal for reducing muzzle rise and reticle movement as much as a "flatter-bottom" brake like the Maverick (which is I consider the standard for braked suppressors, but sadly isn't magnum rated).
All good, it is completely different than the TBAC, and there are top ports as well. It’s been working very well and it is magnum rated
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Sounded great under cover for the duration of a two day match.......which is way more than I can say for somebody else's tbi producing rifle..... Ahem @ @NoLegs24
Here’s a teaser. This was one of the first, final design is slightly different
Nothing looks prettier than raw heat-treated after it gets a toasty patina.
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they are unique to the Theorem line.
While 1-3/8x24 has become standard, there isn’t anything like that for the end caps in the market…. Yet
Goddam this makes me want to order a theorum now! F I've got 4 cans in jail already.......
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