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  1. 257 Blackjack

    when will berger, sierra, hornady, etc release 25 cal bullets?

    Another discussion brought up the possibility of Overbore with some cartridges. Here is a small snapshot of an updated Overbore Index with 25x47L, 25 Creed, 25-260 or 25 SLR, and you can clearly see 25-06 and 25x284 are HOT! Fun but HOT! Figured I would drop this here so SH folks might have it...
  2. 257 Blackjack

    when will berger, sierra, hornady, etc release 25 cal bullets?

    This is from a brand new Lilja 3 Groove. Shooter builds a lot of guns. He expects it to speed up a bit but he's quite happy. His intention was to make an easy brass prep, easy loading, and very low recoiling rifle with great barrel life. For his purposes this little 25 BR will fit the bill. I...
  3. 257 Blackjack

    when will berger, sierra, hornady, etc release 25 cal bullets?

    It's quite obvious there's a tendency here to not look at data, ballistics, etc and focus on status quo with a few folks. That's not our deal at all. Forward and then in the future when we can afford to do more of what we want to do, forward again. 25 Cal and otherwise. Regarding the point...
  4. 257 Blackjack

    when will berger, sierra, hornady, etc release 25 cal bullets?

    If you scaled up our 131 ACE it would be 142 gr 0.264 and carry 0.350 G7, which does not suck. Scale down to 0.243 it would be a 0.326 G7 and 111 grains, which does not suck. The 6mm print we have is not 111 grains, but we won't get to it for a couple of years. Perhaps the components of a...
  5. 257 Blackjack

    when will berger, sierra, hornady, etc release 25 cal bullets?

    RTH, Your position is clear and the manner of your discourse is not contributory. Instead of speaking in generalities why don't you pick a parent cartridge or cartridges, determine which bullets to look at, and define some realistic velocity bandwidths for actual comparison instead of...
  6. 257 Blackjack

    when will berger, sierra, hornady, etc release 25 cal bullets?

    Let me try to make that statement more clear. I decided that FOR ME the recoil of 130-140 grain projectiles at 3000-3125 fps was all I wanted in a match rfile. Taking that bullet mass and a certain speed bandwidth resulting in a certain amount of recoil I knew I needed to see which diameter...
  7. 257 Blackjack

    when will berger, sierra, hornady, etc release 25 cal bullets?

    It's not magic. It's just simply quite efficient with a high enough mass to surface area ratio to have a solid BC and yet still have high attainable muzzle velocities out of standard cartridges. Just to clarify a little bit on the Heavy For Weight point: The 115 gr 0.243 would be 136 gr in...
  8. 257 Blackjack

    when will berger, sierra, hornady, etc release 25 cal bullets?

    There's truth the the fact that 6mm is superior in most target roles to 600-850 yards and yes the 0.243 has that advantage in terms of trajectory and somewhat in speed, but that's where the 257 takes over and the bandwidth the 257 outruns the 6.5s is a loooong ways. The BC used for the 131 ACE...
  9. 257 Blackjack

    when will berger, sierra, hornady, etc release 25 cal bullets?

    That's awesome. I think it will be the first AI 257 in history lol. That's great man. Can't wait to see the results. Load Dev and range pics are my favorite inbox items.
  10. 257 Blackjack

    when will berger, sierra, hornady, etc release 25 cal bullets?

    Whether you post negativity or not has no effect on the available performance on the table which will outrun any 6.5 parent cartridge neck down to 0.257". Your opinion that sales will dry up at some point which was not previously specified until this reply will be validated or negated by the...
  11. 257 Blackjack

    Gunsmithing I Need a Bighorn Gunsmith in Virginia

    JGS have shipped but we have a few 25x47L's left which have been a no-brainer to develop accurate loads for. 25 PRC, 25 SAUM, 257 WBY, and 25 XC reamers due in the coming weeks.
  12. 257 Blackjack

    when will berger, sierra, hornady, etc release 25 cal bullets?

    Projections don't show sales drying up. We are scaling up to meet the demand and orders. As of now the contracts have more than adoubled in size but projections show a quarter on quarter growth factor of 3.6x. Besides market response, the performance is there and folks are going to keep heading...
  13. 257 Blackjack

    when will berger, sierra, hornady, etc release 25 cal bullets?

    yo. Ranger. Cancel dat 22. The next bullet is going to outrun the 131 ACE to 1000-1200 yards. We will be sending prototypes out to our early supporters soon enough and get feedback from different barrel types and all that. We've got another 1/4 million ACE's headed this way and soon 1/4...
  14. 257 Blackjack

    25 Creedmoor Load Development

    Please let me know when you get that done. Great to compare to our small testing with RL26.
  15. 257 Blackjack

    25 Creedmoor Load Development

    I'd start with 0.340 G7 and pay attention to targets past 800 yards. Might have to up a little but 0.340 G7 should get you well on target for 1/2 - 3/4 mile.
  16. 257 Blackjack

    25 Creedmoor Load Development

    Your methodology looks to be top tier and the ES visualization is great too for a Load Dev routine. I can't wait to see what you can do with this rifle at medium and long range!
  17. 257 Blackjack

    250 savage again

    Bartlein, Krieger, Rock Creek, Lilja, X-Caliber, Schneider, and I'm sure a few others are able to make 1:7 - 1:8" twist blanks (think 1:7-1:7.5" for non-magnums under 3200 fps and 1:7.75-1:8" for magnums over 3200 fps). We've ordered 175 barrels and will be ordering more, even including some...
  18. 257 Blackjack

    Range Report 25 cal for comps

    That's awesome glad to hear it. Bullets are available to pre-order on the website now, and we will ship them out in sequence of orders if you'd like to be an early bird. The bullets will all be done in late July but we will be sending out a number of boxes from the front-end of production to...
  19. 257 Blackjack

    Range Report 25 cal for comps

    For standard 308 boltface type cartridges we recommend 1:7-1:7.5 up to 3200 fps. After 3200 fps 1:7.75-1:8" is good. If you're building some super-magnum like a few guys wanting to do 25 Nosler, revive a 25 STW, or other things like 25 Blackjack PRO (pictured below) or any of Kirby Allen's Super...
  20. 257 Blackjack

    Range Report 25 cal for comps

    Bullets will be available for pre-order in the next 48 hrs. They will arrive July 18-20th or maybe the week after that. I hesitate to put hard dates on it but it will be July! We will send out a certain number of boxes early in the run so in effect the early birds will get first chance to run...
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