“Reparations” P&L list?

[TurboTrout]

So I was watching someone talk about reparations for black folks, it got me to thinking.

So lots of the slaves brought to America came from places like todays Congo and the DRC, where the average person makes like $400USD…a…fucking…year!
Murder rate is much higher, average life span much lower, income mobility much worse.


Slavery lasted about one generation in the US, you were forced to work, but had food and a bunk provided, not a good life at all, but like back in Africa wasnt a cake walk ether with their station in said society.

Post emancipation proclamation, blacks still didn’t have full rights, but compared to how life would have been back in africa

A few generations go by and now a poor American black person makes money that would make them the 1% back in todays DRC, their likelyhood of seeing a much older age, education, etc is also still vastly higher in the US

Now combine look at the US average cost of crime by race, the average government assistance by person by race, subsidized school or work opportunities due to race

Would the average modern American black person (as all the slaves and slave owners are looong dead) have been better off of their ancestors stayed in Africa?

Now would the average modern American white person, based on that same P&L list, have been better off if way back in the day America didn’t get involved with importing slaves from Africa.

Just curious, but my hunch is the hipster/BLM types still talking about reparations wouldn’t like the answers if the topic was really broken down in a business sense. Perhaps the ones who would be owing money might not be who they think?

Yeah yeah, taboo topics these days.

 

[Hobo Hilton]

I think it is a timely topic.... Excluding Native Americans.... Our ancestor's all came from somewhere else... Some thrived, some failed to thrive and a few went back where they came from....
Interesting how some feel entitled to reparations. Mine were booted out of Nova Scotia and ended up in South Louisiana. I don't feel entitled.
JMHO

Mapping the Acadian deportations

In 1755 all Acadians who wouldn't declare allegiance to Britain were ordered to leave Nova Scotia. Here's where they went.

canadiangeographic.ca

 

[Mike Casselton]

And no-one brings up indentured servitude of whites, so-called share cropping and outright slavery of the Irish and Chinese.
This shit could go on and on...

 

[muzzleloader]

I think it is a timely topic.... Excluding Native Americans.... Our ancestor's all came from somewhere else... Some thrived, some failed to thrive and a few went back where they came from....
Interesting how some feel entitled to reparations. Mine were booted out of Nova Scotia and ended up in South Louisiana. I don't feel entitled.
JMHO

Mapping the Acadian deportations

In 1755 all Acadians who wouldn't declare allegiance to Britain were ordered to leave Nova Scotia. Here's where they went.

canadiangeographic.ca

I wouldn’t exclude so called native Americans.
Being first to arrive here maybe, but not really native to the americas. Likely North Asia.

The First Americans

Humans colonized the New World earlier than previously thought—a revelation that is forcing scientists to rethink long-standing ideas about these trailblazers

www.scientificamerican.com

Longish read, but interesting

 

[lonegunman762x51]

I support reparations for these poor blacks who are seven to nine generations removed from slavery and still cannot seem to find a job. They have had to live off the public welfare system for a hundred years. Yep, a 100 years of free shit in the last 100 years to ease these people into the work force.

So here is what I propose. We decide on an amount for each person suffering under the illusion that something that happened in 1860 effects them to day. Then we check their families history of being on welfare and deduct the "pre-payment" we have given them since the 1930's. They keep the remainder for their "recording studio" or a down payment on an Escalade with 24" rims.

A much better plan would be to historically review every bank that fucked a black veteran of WWII or beyond out of a VA home loan and then fuck that bank for fines, combine those with some slave money and repay every black veteran fucked by a Democrat out of promised GI Bill benefits. This one is easy as hell to prove. Some review I read showed that the entire state of New Jersey banks and loan companies only approved two VA home loans after WWII into the mid-1950's for black servicemen.

Democrats worked hard to rat fuck black service members after WWII into the 1980's.

 

[vinniedelpino]

We've been paying reparations for quite a while.....

Welfare Distribution By Race

 

[johnnyvw]

I saw a documentary film in the Afton/Crozet/Blue Ridge tunnel (virginia) built in the 1850s. IIRC it's the longest tunnel ever made with manual black powder blasting techniques. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Ridge_Tunnel
What was interesting is for a short period of time they rented slave labor because the Irish laborers we always striking for better wages and conditions. There was an accident where a couple of slaves died, and the owners had to be paid for the loss. Turns out the Irish were cheaper to utilize because when they died, nobody got anything. Slavery was not a good thing, but on the flip side they had value to their owners, as opposed to zero value for a lot of other immigrant labor

 

[mrdrar]

Slavery was about 100 years, so 4-5 generations.

 

[TurboTrout]

Slavery was about 100 years, so 4-5 generations.

Think it was under 100yrs and a generation is at least 30yrs

 

[Lange Carabine]

Think it was under 100yrs and a generation is at least 30yrs

It lasted less that 100 years after the United States was founded.
Including the colonial period, chattel slavery existed for 246 years in America.
Depending on who you ask, one generation is anywhere between 15 and 30 years.

 

[MtnCreek]

 

[x2cross]

We've been paying reparations for quite a while.....

Welfare Distribution By Race

It's by design. You gotta keep the population poor. Give them just enough to survive, and they'll continue to vote for you. I think the quickest way to help would be to cut off 75% of public assistance. The ones that are capable of bettering themselves, will. The freeloaders that don't want to work will die off.

You could give 100 poor people $50,000, and in 5 years most would be right back where they started. It's the culture, not because there's lack of opportunity. Hell, you've got people that cross the border with their life in a backpack that are able to make it by working hard.

 

[Lange Carabine]

5 years my big ole butt.
Try 5 months.
Very few people, rich or poor, can manage money.

 

[hankpac]

I think it is a timely topic.... Excluding Native Americans.... Our ancestor's all came from somewhere else... Some thrived, some failed to thrive and a few went back where they came from....
Interesting how some feel entitled to reparations. Mine were booted out of Nova Scotia and ended up in South Louisiana. I don't feel entitled.
JMHO

Mapping the Acadian deportations

In 1755 all Acadians who wouldn't declare allegiance to Britain were ordered to leave Nova Scotia. Here's where they went.

canadiangeographic.ca

Native Americans came from somewhere else, too.
The attached map is based on the "Out of Africa"theory (well-founded). Numbers represent thousands of years.

 

[hankpac]

It lasted less that 100 years after the United States was founded.
Including the colonial period, chattel slavery existed for 246 years in America.
Depending on who you ask, one generation is anywhere between 15 and 30 years.

In the Middle East, Asia and Africa, Slavery has been going on since humans were able to do so, and is STILL going on now. In the US, most slaves are Sex slaves, and many are children. Elsewhere, too, of course.

 

[Alphatreedog]

It's by design. You gotta keep the population poor. Give them just enough to survive, and they'll continue to vote for you. I think the quickest way to help would be to cut off 75% of public assistance. The ones that are capable of bettering themselves, will. The freeloaders that don't want to work will die off.

You could give 100 poor people $50,000, and in 5 years most would be right back where they started. It's the culture, not because there's lack of opportunity. Hell, you've got people that cross the border with their life in a backpack that are able to make it by working hard.

There is a tremendous lack of opportunity . Manufacturing jobs in cities have dramatically decreased . Inner city schools are shit and inner city youth are not taught about civics , their rights or opportunities available to them .
IIRC Ketsnji Brown said that the single largest threat to Black America is White Children . In context it was that white kids will become disaffected white adults .
If every white American said this shit stops now we would have ; education , meaningful employment , opportunity and a civic educated inner city population . It would mean an end to race baiting and race politics .
The thing the Gov fears the most is both sides of the racial divide joining for a common purpose .

 

[montigre]

Native Americans enslaved members of other tribes as a result of taking captives in raids and warfare perhaps hundreds of years before the Europeans arrived. This practice continued into the 1800s.

The first African slaves in what would become the present-day United States of America arrived August 9, 1526 in Winyah Bay (future South Carolina) with a Spanish expedition.

In 1607, England established Jamestown as its first permanent colony and initially used British indentured servants in 7-year terms to pay for passage for labor on the tobacco plantations before switching to Native American and African slaves who were deemed more economical.

With a history like this that spans between all ethnic groups, it is ridiculous for any one to feel they are entitled to any form of reparations for their ancestors' part in the slave trade including those descendants of the enslaved groups.

All we can hope to do is learn from this dark aspect of our shared history to ensure it does not occur again in our future and move forward toward being the most productive and compassionate humans possible within the social framework of a country we all now call home. JMHO

 

[diggler1833]

"Native Americans" definitely migrated here too as others have already noted... Should be called the "We Were Here Firsts" or something.

Everyone born to an area is by definition- "native". As an Oklahoma dude with Choctaw family, most of the Indians here get it. It is the latte-drinking, white urban poofters, and tribal members still looking for a handout that cry about this shit.

Regarding "reparations", I think a free ticket to wherever a DNA test says you're mostly from is a fair shake. Let them figure out how to live off the $400/year they would be making back there.

Matter of fact, I'd go ahead and voluntarily purchase a ticket or two.

Make the offer open to the Irish as well, since they had it pretty frigging horrible too...but then again, I never see them whining about reparations on TV or in the media either.

All of this shit will go away the day that everyone has to work a full day for food and water again with no handouts.

 

[PDXGS]

My Phoenician/Carthaginian ancestors got the shit kicked out of them by my Romans ancestors and I'm sure slaves were taken....But the Phoenician/Carthaginians kicked the shit out of the Iberians and probably took slaves too...And on the German side, there's that Neanderthal cohabitation and cross breeding which may not have been consentual....but then again...who tells a Neanderthal no......eh?!
And then the matter of the 5% North African DNA.....did the Carthaginians bring that over.....fuck ....who owes me what?

 

[TurboTrout]

In the Middle East, Asia and Africa, Slavery has been going on since humans were able to do so, and is STILL going on now. In the US, most slaves are Sex slaves, and many are children. Elsewhere, too, of course.

Lest we forget our massive forced tax payer support of the human traffic utopia known as ukraine.

 

[mosin46]

you weren't born here you are not a native. consensus now is the land bridge thing. as above just a got here firster. yea we screwed the indians big time. stole their land,destroyed their culture,which despite dances with wolves and other lib BS,did feature slavery as normal result of war. and their "wars" were as brutal as all prestate warfare was. same thing in africa then and likely still now. all immigrant groups got some bad deals from established power structure. what's new there? BTW the "indians" are getting some back. check out the income from their protected casinos. here in FL anyone that can prove to be enough "seminole" gets an annual support which i believe is 50K just for having a pulse.

 

[Californio]

Oh hell, my Scottish Presbyterian ancestors got the shit kicked out of them at the Battle of Bothwell Bridge, those that survived were sent to the Americas as Slaves, some to clear the plantation of the East Jersey Colony, some in the ironworks of New England, some to the West Indies to cultivate tobacco. First the Brits maimed them in the face by branding, nose slitting or ear cutting, so them would standout if they tried to return. I want reparations from the inbred Pommy's, our revenge in 1776 was not enough for the centuries we were persecuted by them.

 

[Jscb1b]

If we trace our ancestry back far enough, we are all African. Where be my reparations mutherfucers?

 

[RonA]

I support reparations for these poor blacks who are seven to nine generations removed from slavery and still cannot seem to find a job. They have had to live off the public welfare system for a hundred years. Yep, a 100 years of free shit in the last 100 years to ease these people into the work force.

So here is what I propose. We decide on an amount for each person suffering under the illusion that something that happened in 1860 effects them to day. Then we check their families history of being on welfare and deduct the "pre-payment" we have given them since the 1930's. They keep the remainder for their "recording studio" or a down payment on an Escalade with 24" rims.

A much better plan would be to historically review every bank that fucked a black veteran of WWII or beyond out of a VA home loan and then fuck that bank for fines, combine those with some slave money and repay every black veteran fucked by a Democrat out of promised GI Bill benefits. This one is easy as hell to prove. Some review I read showed that the entire state of New Jersey banks and loan companies only approved two VA home loans after WWII into the mid-1950's for black servicemen.

Democrats worked hard to rat fuck black service members after WWII into the 1980's.

My Dad told me about an incident on Saipan that he witnessed. At night the Japanese would set up a mortar barrage against the Marines position and take it back. When morning came the marines would re-take the position. One day they brought in a group of black soldiers(kitchen help mostly) and had them guard the area. Didn't tell them about the mortar barrage. Wiped them out just for the hell of it. Dad got over his dislike for the Japanese but never thought much of the military after he got out.

 

[PDXGS]

Humans suck

 

[ggmanning]

More whites were sold as slaves than all the NAmerican African slaves combined. Fact. My Irish ancestors were treated worse and valued less than African slaves. Ever hear anybody with Irish ancestry crying for reparations? They act like it was only in the USA and only whites enslaving blacks in the history of man.....total horseshit. Slavery has been with us since documented time and only a small portion involving Africans by anybody except other Africans.

Thomas Sowell on truths about slavery

 

[Californio]

The Landed English Gentry that controlled all the land in England and Ireland, in Ireland they bleed the Irish, took all their food and shipped it to England many times, the Great Famine was only one of many famines foisted upon the Irish. Irish were deprived of land ownership, education, and forced to pay the English landlords all their production.

 

[fdkay]

There were many black working class and middle to upper middle class communities after WWII.
Families were strong, they worked factory jobs.
Demoncrats seized control in the cities, manufacturing jobs were lost, the government teat was made available, so long as there was no man in the home. The more kids you had, the more assistance you got.

 

[BLEE]

The only reparations I support, are one way tickets back to west coast of Africa, for those who believe that I owe them anything for slavery from over 150 years, ago. The USA ended slavery and have more than made up for it in entitlements and affirmative action, over the years. My great, great, great grandfather owned slaves, because that was how a southern plantation operated, before the civil war. It was a horrible practice, but it's how it was. I am not responsible for my ancestor's actions. Period. Importing slaves has proven to be the one of the worst things the British started and left for us to deal with. We have been reaping what our ancestors have sown, ever since. The thuggish, hedonistic, "me" culture, grown out of the black American culture, has enslaved part of an entire generation of Americans of all races.
Every negro (the correct, anthropologic term) in the USA should count themselves as blessed by the Almighty that their ancestors paid the price that allowed them to be born and raised in this great nation, where they have the opportunity to thrive, get an education and live as free as we do, despite the current political situation. If you want to get my blood pressure up, the mention of reparations for slavery, will do it every time.