Gunsmithing 07 manufacturing question and thoughts

[newbieshuter]

I had a long talk with my atf inspector today about technicality of manufacturing a rifle. I’ve got a question for other 07 manufacturers.
When you buy an action per say like a surgeon or defiance, then chamber up a barrel and put a stock on it. I was told that I needed to engrave my LLC, city and state on the receiver as well as leaving the original manufacturer on it. Has anyone ran into this issue?

 

[Wannashootit]

5300.11 Manufacturing and Exportation report, which was just due April 1 from all 07's.

https://www.atf.gov/firearms/docs/form/annual-firearms-manufacturing-and-exportation-report-afmer-atf-form-530011/download

Read 1,2 under "Definitions", call the cust service number listed above that section if any questions.

 

[biffj]

If you buy the action and build it up for sale you are now considered the manufacturer. Its really stupid but it is the ATFs stand. If a customer brings in a receiver and has you barrel it than that is gunsmithing. What the heck is the difference? who knows....its govt crap.

As the manufacturer you're required to mark the items you manufacture according to the regulations. They state that you must place the model, cal, serial number, makers name and address (City and state) on the firearm. The serial number must be on the receiver, the remaining information can be on the barrel, frame or receiver. You may note that many receivers have only a serial number while the model, cal and makers info is on the barrel. That is perfectly legal and proper. If you make stuff up by buying receivers and barreling them up for sale you can engrave your info on the barrel. The serial number will always be whatever is on the receiver and you need not (and can not legally) change, move or modify it. The cal should always be on the barrel since swapping a barrel may swap the cal but the receiver stays the same. Many receivers already have a model on them and no need to change it or put it on the barrel if its already there.

Hope that helps


Frank

 

[newbieshuter]

Thanks for the reply, yah I knew that part, just thought it was stupid that I have to re mark like an rcm action with my LLC as well. I said f it and got ahold of John at pierce engineering and we’re working on a design for an action now that we will variance and just go that route for my rifles.

If you buy the action and build it up for sale you are now considered the manufacturer. Its really stupid but it is the ATFs stand. If a customer brings in a receiver and has you barrel it than that is gunsmithing. What the heck is the difference? who knows....its govt crap.

As the manufacturer you're required to mark the items you manufacture according to the regulations. They state that you must place the model, cal, serial number, makers name and address (City and state) on the firearm. The serial number must be on the receiver, the remaining information can be on the barrel, frame or receiver. You may note that many receivers have only a serial number while the model, cal and makers info is on the barrel. That is perfectly legal and proper. If you make stuff up by buying receivers and barreling them up for sale you can engrave your info on the barrel. The serial number will always be whatever is on the receiver and you need not (and can not legally) change, move or modify it. The cal should always be on the barrel since swapping a barrel may swap the cal but the receiver stays the same. Many receivers already have a model on them and no need to change it or put it on the barrel if its already there.

Hope that helps


Frank

 

[sirmixalot]

Why does this has to be so complicated of a subject? I want to get my FFL but what a headache

 

[GH41]

"Why does this has to be so complicated of a subject? I want to get my FFL but what a headache"

It doesn't sound complicated at all. It does seem detail oriented. Most things government are! Many lose their licenses for what amounts to not dotting an I or crossing a T.

 

[Shanerbanner10]

I've been told you don't need to mark the receiver. You can mark the barrel which is what most smiths out there do. Ended up going this route.