1000 yard whit .308 win

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SAS_Sniper

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#1
Hi guy, i'm looking a cartridge for 1000 yard with my .308 win. I think to use hornady a max or sierra match king...How much powder i must use?? i use Vithavuori n140 or n135. Thanks and sorry for my not perfect english.
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If you have other reccomendations ,i'm very glad to receive it!!
 
#3
Re: 1000 yard whit .308 win

Try 155 Lapua scenars with 45-47 grains of varget.start low and work up accordingly.check for pressure signs.that bullet will go the distance.good luck.
 
#7
Re: 1000 yard whit .308 win

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SAS_Sniper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hi guy, i'm looking a cartridge for 1000 yard with my .308 win. I think to use hornady a max or sierra match king...How much powder i must use?? i use Vithavuori n140 or n135. Thanks and sorry for my not perfect english.
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If you have other reccomendations ,i'm very glad to receive it!! </div></div>

Lapua 155 scenars pushing at 3000 fps. Takes about 26 MOA to get to 1K. Been there many times. If you are going to use AMAX or SMK, I would recommend staying with either the 178 grain AMAX (good luck in finding them), or the 175 grains SMK.
 
#10
Re: 1000 yard whit .308 win

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SAS_Sniper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">ok.. but verget is not very easy to find in Italy ... with Vitavhuori ?? </div></div>

That's ok, Varget is not so easy to find in the US either.

To get to 1000 yards properly, the 155gr bullet should do the trick, the 175 gr wil do better and the heavier bullets will do even better, if your barrel is long enough. The N140 has a burn rate just about the same as Varget and so you should be able to get similar performance from N140. The book says for 155gr: starting load 41.1- mAx load 46.3 for a velocity of 2800fps. For the 175gr SMK: starting load: 37.3, maximum load 41.4 for 2473 FPS. I think those maxima are on the low side, but this should be a good place to start.
 
#11
Re: 1000 yard whit .308 win

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KingKong</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Rifle: Remignton sps-v factory barrel chopped to 24"+br supressor.


Scenar 155gr.
Lapua brass.
Vihtavuori N-150 46gr.
CCI large rifle primer.
OAL 73mm or 2.874"
846m/s or 2777Fps

Warning:this is pretty hot load. 47 is pretty much a max.
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#12
Re: 1000 yard whit .308 win

I had very good luck with the VV N140 in my 308 with the 168s an had no problem shooting to 1000yds with it. I don't recall the load but it was very, very accurate.
 
#13
Re: 1000 yard whit .308 win

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SAS_Sniper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">ok.. but verget is not very easy to find in Italy ... with Vitavhuori ?? </div></div>

VV has load recommendations on their web site that I find most helpful.
 
#14
Re: 1000 yard whit .308 win

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sig685</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SAS_Sniper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">ok.. but verget is not very easy to find in Italy ... with Vitavhuori ?? </div></div>

That's ok, Varget is not so easy to find in the US either.

To get to 1000 yards properly, the 155gr bullet should do the trick, the 175 gr wil do better and the heavier bullets will do even better, if your barrel is long enough. The N140 has a burn rate just about the same as Varget and so you should be able to get similar performance from N140. The book says for 155gr: starting load 41.1- mAx load 46.3 for a velocity of 2800fps. For the 175gr SMK: starting load: 37.3, maximum load 41.4 for 2473 FPS. I think those maxima are on the low side, but this should be a good place to start. </div></div>

I have to dissagree that the 175's will do better. The 155's will take a lot less elevation to 1000 and buck the wind better. The question then is which groups better out of your gun at that distance. It is not a question of which round is better but which one is more capable of making consistent hits at that distance out of your rifle. The 155's have an edge on the 175's but I would try both out of your rifle and find the one that groups better at that distance.
 
#17
Re: 1000 yard whit .308 win

+1 for the 155 Scenars, they have a higher BC than the 175 SMKs and are quite a bit faster. My friend and I took a WAG on a load for one of my rifles and it was the best shooting load I have ever used.

155 Scenar .020 off the lands
44 gr of Varget (I know the OP has a hard time getting it; so do we)
CCI BR2 Primer
Lapua brass
 
#18
Re: 1000 yard whit .308 win

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10 shots @ 1000 meters. (1093 yards) with a Surgeon built .308.
26" Krieger 1-11" MTU. 155gr Lapua Scenar. 46.2grs Varget. Lapua brass. F210M primer. 0 range= 160 meters. 9.1 mils come up.

Not a world beater but proof that a .308 will shoot a little.
 
#19
Re: 1000 yard whit .308 win

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Chiller</div><div class="ubbcode-body">that is some funny stuff. Now take LL with his Gladius and put him at the 0,0. Then add his Youtube 1k yard.</div></div> with an 18inch barrel no less
 
#20
Re: 1000 yard whit .308 win

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Chiller</div><div class="ubbcode-body">that is some funny stuff. Now take LL with his Gladius and put him at the 0,0. Then add his Youtube 1k yard.</div></div> with an 18inch barrel no less
 
#21
Re: 1000 yard whit .308 win

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kombayotch</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I didn't think the 308 Win. could make it to 1000 yards...

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Are you saying that I've heard wrong??? </div></div>


Thisis great
Thats the way I always thought the invisisheild was !!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
#22
Re: 1000 yard whit .308 win

my barrel is 24" (1/11 twist rate) ,.,, i think that 175 gr are more indicated because with light bullet the wind can destabilyzer the accuracy...

175 smk, 43-43.5 gr n-140 ... many people have tested this load and no overpressure are detected
 
#24
Re: 1000 yard whit .308 win

Just had a talk whit some of my frends and some of them used n140 and N135+other vv powders. They all use scenar 155gr.

Loads that they use:
N135 42-44 grs
N140 44-45 grs
N150 46-47 grs
N540 46-48 grs
N550 51 grs
These should be GTG loads for 1000m but dont blame me if you hurt yourself/others whit these loads.
I still think that N150 is the way to go...
 
#25
Re: 1000 yard whit .308 win

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SAS_Sniper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hi guy, i'm looking a cartridge for 1000 yard with my .308 win. I think to use hornady a max or sierra match king...How much powder i must use?? i use Vithavuori n140 or n135. Thanks and sorry for my not perfect english.
smile.gif


If you have other reccomendations ,i'm very glad to receive it!! </div></div>

N140 is tad too fast for max velocitys.

Lapua 155gr + 47gr N150 has, for some reason, worked very well in many, many rifles.
Its case full load, and pretty hot too. I had to go down to 46.8gr in my rifle.

With reasonable lenght barrel, this load wil take You +1000m supersonic.
And if You really want to see how fast it goes, there is always N540 to try..
 
#27
Re: 1000 yard whit .308 win

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SAS_Sniper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">with the ballistic caluclator i've valued that ,in your configuration, at 1000 metres the bullet should go at 343 m/s .. no bad </div></div>

Which calculator You´re using by the way?

You might want to take a look at <span style="font-style: italic">"QTU Lapua Edition ballistic calculator FOR FREE!" </span>-thread in <span style="font-style: italic">"Range Report & Exterior Ballistics" </span> -section.
 
#32
Re: 1000 yard whit .308 win

Here's a great .308 load that has the potential to stay sub-moa to 1k and still have a good amount of energy left at the target (whatever that target may be):

190 SMK
Lapua Brass
42 gr. Varget
215M primers
2.775" COAL
2.185" OG
2580 fps. @ around 70 deg.
This is the 1.330ms OBT node in my 26" barrel.
Hornady brass requires about 1.0 gr. more powder than Lapua brass.
 
#35
Re: 1000 yard whit .308 win

I would disagree, it's my preferred bullet and accounts for more than half the rounds down my barrel. I just bought another 3k of them.
 
#36
Re: 1000 yard whit .308 win

I couldn't get them to work better than anything else at 2695fps, so I slowed them to very slow speeds: like 2200fps and 2400fps, when they started doing amazing things at short range. But for long range, no dice. So I called George and asked him. He said: Forget it; shoot the Scenars. So, OK, I don't know it all; and I'm listening....
 
#37
Re: 1000 yard whit .308 win

Try them with the load above. Get the velocity to around 2580 fps, which has taken between 41.5-42.5 gr. for me, depending on the lot and neck tension.

Original post here:
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthre...4549#Post994549

I bought the 190 SMK at first just to see how fast I could drive a 190 with N550 and RL-17. But, I ended up sticking with it because it shot so well with both of those powders and with Varget. I ended up sticking with Varget because of the temperature stability. I got annoyed with the lot-to-lot variation though, so I bought 48 lbs. of it.

I tuned the load with the OCW method originally and then later with my Pressure Trace system (lot changes). I haven't looked back since...
 
#38
Re: 1000 yard whit .308 win

Thanks. Maybe I will try again.

I have tried 41, 42, and 43 grs Varget with Lapua brass. I settled on 43grs. 41.0 was excellent to 500m, but fell apart beyond that.

I have heard of excellent results with 41.0 Varget and Berger 185VLD's, but haven't tried that yet either.
 
#39
Re: 1000 yard whit .308 win

It might barrel dependent. I'm shooting a 26" 1-11" twist Schneider 5P. My next barrel is going to be a 26" 1-10" twist something. My buddy is also getting excellent results with that load out of his 26" 1-11" twist Krieger.
 
#40
Re: 1000 yard whit .308 win

5P's rock. And they're fast. Wish I had one - in 1 in 10.
I tried the 190's in a 26" 11 1/4-twist 5R Bartlein.
Next up is a 1 in 10 5R .299 bore, with the 190's at 2400fps.
 
#41
Re: 1000 yard whit .308 win

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sig685</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That's great. What kind of velocity are you getting with that load?

My .308 shoots my 180gr load at 2840FPS (Is that like 865 meters/second?)
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v0 was 852 m/s!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: UKDslayer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">SAS Sniper - what altitude are you at? Remember how "hot" a load is may vary... </div></div>

altitude was 400 mt approx.
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#42
Re: 1000 yard whit .308 win

Rem.--700P--.308--out of the box

100 to 1000 Yd. Load
175 Gn. Sierra Match King
<span style="text-decoration: underline"><span style="font-weight: bold">***</span></span>Seated .158 off rifling (find your sweet spot)
<span style="text-decoration: underline"><span style="font-weight: bold">***</span></span>42.8 Gn. Reloader-15
Lapua Brass Trim 2.005
CCI-200 Primers
This load will hold a 3/8" group at 100 Yds. and a 10" to 12" group at 1000 Yds. If I do my part.

<span style="text-decoration: underline"><span style="font-weight: bold">*****</span></span>
<span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="text-decoration: underline">12/17/09:</span>
43.0 Gn. Reloader 15
Seated .149 off rifling
2654 FPS +/- (HAD 4 OUT OF 5 ROUNDS THAT CHRONOGRAPHED AT 2654 FPS)</span>
 
#43
Re: 1000 yard whit .308 win

with Sierra ballistic calculator, i've try to test the 170 gr Lapua locked Base bullet(BC: 0.525) ... with 43.8-44 Gr of N140, the V0 is 822 m/s and the bullet become subsonic at 1100 Mt!!!!!
Anybody has tried this??
 
#44
Re: 1000 yard whit .308 win

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kombayotch</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I didn't think the 308 Win. could make it to 1000 yards...

308_traj-1.jpg


Are you saying that I've heard wrong??? </div></div>


why not ? this is my target 1000y police M700 with AICS stock

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#45
Re: 1000 yard whit .308 win

No mention of the 168 A-max?
Fits in the middle.
See where the powders compare on the burn rate chart.
If you make the loads all the same, next problems will be the shooter and wind.
Once the wind is taken care of, tighten up the nut behind the trigger!
 
#47
Re: 1000 yard whit .308 win

Hi SAS,
If I am not mistaken you have Tikka T3 Tactical .308 Win 24"?
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Try this:

Lapua brass
155 Silver Scenar,
46.1 grain of Vith. N540,
FGMM primers,
O.A.L. 73 mm,

Make sure you have measured bullets at ogive(same lenght) and sorted bullets by veight. -same for brass
From my stick, same as yours, runs 828m/s, no preasure signs, if I do my part 5 round's at 100 meters, group c-c 5,18 mm. Outher diameter is 12.80 mm.
Try it and let me know if it works for you to.
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#48
Re: 1000 yard whit .308 win

I also have T3 Tactical and will use N540 for 1km load. I did try 45.1gr of N140 @ -5°C (23F) and it gave 2764fps(842m/s) which should be plenty enough for supersonic @ 1km however in warm weather that load might be too much (i had no pressure signs now).
 
#49
Re: 1000 yard whit .308 win

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sharac</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I also have T3 Tactical and will use N540 for 1km load. I did try 45.1gr of N140 @ -5°C (23F) and it gave 2764fps(842m/s) which should be plenty enough for supersonic @ 1km however in warm weather that load might be too much (i had no pressure signs now). </div></div>

45,1 grains??? hot load...bullet?

with 44.5 g N140 and lapua lock base, is supersonic until about 1200 mt
 
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