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Been on the back burner for more or less a year. We explored, and will continue to try to obtain an action suitable and pick it up again.
Alan
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so the build was developed back in 2012/2013 and still no defined update on having a finished quality product must be some problems my guess extraction neck alone will cause that its way to long
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There's nothing wrong we with the cartridge design. It works quite well actually. It has never had any extraction issues at all. The trouble is an continues to be finding a sound receiver suitable that is reliable, as Alan said.
There's nothing wrong we with the cartridge design. It works quite well actually. It has never had any extraction issues at all. The trouble is an continues to be finding a sound receiver suitable that is reliable, as Alan said.
Hi,
@Dan Warner
Have you guys tried and/or had problems getting the Truvelo 20mm actions?
Have you guys asked Keary at Vigilance if he would make or allow you to make the 20mm action that was the original windrunner and/or the warlock that Jon originally had?He has those designs in Solidworks and such.
Sincerely,
Theis
@Dan Warner
Have you guys tried and/or had problems getting the Truvelo 20mm actions?
Have you guys asked Keary at Vigilance if he would make or allow you to make the 20mm action that was the original windrunner and/or the warlock that Jon originally had?He has those designs in Solidworks and such.
Sincerely,
Theis
I've been trying for a year and a half to get something out of Truvelo. Every time I inquire, I get the put off 'we'll get to it but not sure when' answer. Kind of funny that they advertise the very receiver we want/need, but have never actually delivered any, at least according to their rep. And they never answer my requests through their website. Seems they don't want to take my money.
The warlock that Jon started with was plagued with functional issues. Part of the problem was that we had only make the dies at that point. I have not seen the windrunner, but have to inquire to see what he has or will do.
All we need is an over size 50 Cal receiver that will take a standard trigger and has a solid firing pin system. Not too complicated conceptually, but we'll have to figure out the chassis once we have a working receiver. I have contacted Barnard to see if they'd make us one, but have not yet received a response.
The warlock that Jon started with was plagued with functional issues. Part of the problem was that we had only make the dies at that point. I have not seen the windrunner, but have to inquire to see what he has or will do.
All we need is an over size 50 Cal receiver that will take a standard trigger and has a solid firing pin system. Not too complicated conceptually, but we'll have to figure out the chassis once we have a working receiver. I have contacted Barnard to see if they'd make us one, but have not yet received a response.
Hi,
Yea Truvelo is horrible in that fashion.
Good luck with Barnard....Sam would not even entertain lengthening the GP a few years ago for a longer BMG project.
Keary at Vigilance Rifles should have the solidworks drawing for the original windrunner receiver from EDM, as it was originally designed as a 20mm system but was scaled down to the BMG for production.
Sincerely,
Theis
Yea Truvelo is horrible in that fashion.
Good luck with Barnard....Sam would not even entertain lengthening the GP a few years ago for a longer BMG project.
Keary at Vigilance Rifles should have the solidworks drawing for the original windrunner receiver from EDM, as it was originally designed as a 20mm system but was scaled down to the BMG for production.
Sincerely,
Theis
I guess they're still waiting on the action. per post 2 and 4.
Hell, I'd love to have some action. sighs, but the lottery gods determined that I stay poor and stay away from Vegas. Lexi and Cinamon will be sad. I'll live another day.
edit - so I'm not a compete smart ass
Here a link, google shows 7/29/22 update, but the article still shows 12/2012
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Hell, I'd love to have some action. sighs, but the lottery gods determined that I stay poor and stay away from Vegas. Lexi and Cinamon will be sad. I'll live another day.
edit - so I'm not a compete smart ass
Here a link, google shows 7/29/22 update, but the article still shows 12/2012
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excerpt
"The project is still in the early stages of development, and the five-kilometer supersonic range, over three miles, is a calculated estimate based on the cartridge specifications, and not a real-world result. Still, the team’s goal is that range with an accuracy of .5 MOA. Based on vehicle-mounted weapons and light artillery, that goal doesn’t seem entirely out of reach."
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Finally, we are making some headway. We told you that it would be back and that is now becoming a reality. We are still quite a ways from pulling a trigger, but now we can move in that direction.
What you see here is a 20mm capable receiver next to a BAT EXS and a 1" micrometer for visual scale. It is a tank of an action to say the least.
For any of you that would be serious about buying one, your time will come. But right now, this is the first one off the line and any further production will be exclusive, so please do not call BAT looking to buy one.
What you see here is a 20mm capable receiver next to a BAT EXS and a 1" micrometer for visual scale. It is a tank of an action to say the least.
For any of you that would be serious about buying one, your time will come. But right now, this is the first one off the line and any further production will be exclusive, so please do not call BAT looking to buy one.
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Hi, Dan - so 3" OD x 12" long? Unclear why a shell holder design was not pursued - would have been MUCH smaller, possibly even smaller than the EXS. Simply a customer requirement?
BTW, as your customer well knows, the action has never been a significant milestone in making his project work. FWIW, getting my "test platform" would have moved reality forward with a lot less time and expense. Gotten to go or no-go years ago. Anyway...
BTW, as your customer well knows, the action has never been a significant milestone in making his project work. FWIW, getting my "test platform" would have moved reality forward with a lot less time and expense. Gotten to go or no-go years ago. Anyway...
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Not sure why you are so critical of what may be a critical development in the world of receivers. This is actually quite a milestone weather you choose to acknowledge it or not. I'm not going to criticize your shell holder design, but it is an un-proven design at best and we wanted to be sure of function over anything else this time around.
Dan - I'm simply talking about a simpler design that would have saved time and money to get your customer to dealing with the cartridge-side of the firearm - the most significant issue. What critical development are you referring to - scaling up a current design? Super niche application because making the chambering work is the issue - more than just going bang.
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50 West - I was running out the door. It should have been chambering. Corrected.
It’s a challenging endeavor – NOT, specifically, Warner's customer's chambering (cartridge). [I have no configuration data on it, but have spoken with Warner's customer and sold him some of the bits and pieces from my project.]. It’s what you have to deal with to get acceptable, consistent performance - available powders and primers (ignition system).
My "design" uses an action "type" similar to those used to throw mooring lines between ship and shore - with a screw-in/out, shell-holder bolt. It also uses electric primers and a stand-off actuator. The Winchester PA-520 electric primers I used are the ones used for the 20mm Vulcan cartridges/casing I'm using - casings which Warner formed for me and built dies for me. More info at https://www.snipershide.com/shootin...out-most-recent-reductions-in-purple.6944186/
In re Dan's concern about functionality, IMO you first need put things in perspective. That requires having a functional design that meets you’re your project objectives. My approach was going to be at least a two-step. Step one, prove that the cartridge would do what I wanted it to – in competitive, extreme ELR shooting.
While I could not guarantee powder, I did have a ready source for Vulcan electric primers (and new cases) - and I bought 2K of them (and 250 cases). [I did not buy percussion Vulcan primers because that would have required a more sophisticated action design, one that I was not, in the beginning, ready to belly up to – nor did I have a design available from an established action manufacturer or one that was willing to engage in development and 2-3-off production.]
I bought samples (2 lbs of each) of 8 very slow burning powders (bulk, pull down, surplus), ones used for the 20mm Vulcan and similar cartridges…simply for ballpark testing. Reality check - getting same-lot, “fresh”, powder is a gigantic issue. It’s compounded, big time, by the lapse between initial acquisition and established, real-deal need. Basically, it’s a start-over each purchase unless you buy quite substantial amount up front…AND assuming your source has the actual lot number AND has stored the powder properly. FYI, a 20mm Vulcan casing accepts about 750 grains of powder (3X of a .50 BMG), so about 9.33 loadings per pound.
Enough for now. I wish Dan’s customer well.
