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16" 6.5 Grendel - Anyone using one?
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Re: 16" 6.5 Grendel - Anyone using one?
I don't mean to thread-jack, but how much does your gun weigh? I am considering going to a 16" variation instead of my 18 heavy barreled Grendel. Anyways, just let me know. I have my eyes on this thread for some good ballistic data too...
Thanks.
I don't mean to thread-jack, but how much does your gun weigh? I am considering going to a 16" variation instead of my 18 heavy barreled Grendel. Anyways, just let me know. I have my eyes on this thread for some good ballistic data too...
Thanks.
Re: 16" 6.5 Grendel - Anyone using one?
To be honest man I don't have it built. I'm going as light as possible though I think. I would think it would end up around 6-7lbs. This barrel doesn't weigh but 2 lbs I'd guess.
I'll get more info when It's together as far as weight.
To be honest man I don't have it built. I'm going as light as possible though I think. I would think it would end up around 6-7lbs. This barrel doesn't weigh but 2 lbs I'd guess.
I'll get more info when It's together as far as weight.
Re: 16" 6.5 Grendel - Anyone using one?
Tac and BLC-2 will get you in the 24/2500 range out of a 16 inch barrel with a 120. Don't maxt it out and try for more or it will not shoot well. AA2520 is another powder that will get you to the same velocities and shoot very well.
Tac and BLC-2 will get you in the 24/2500 range out of a 16 inch barrel with a 120. Don't maxt it out and try for more or it will not shoot well. AA2520 is another powder that will get you to the same velocities and shoot very well.
Re: 16" 6.5 Grendel - Anyone using one?
The Hornady 123gr Amax factory ammo goes about 2400fps in a 16" barrel, Wolf Gold 120MPT about 25fps slower than that.
I like my 16" Grendel.
The Hornady 123gr Amax factory ammo goes about 2400fps in a 16" barrel, Wolf Gold 120MPT about 25fps slower than that.
I like my 16" Grendel.
Re: 16" 6.5 Grendel - Anyone using one?
I'm still yet to get my grendel but I'm thinking about trying the leverrevolution powder with some 95gr Vmaxs & 123 Amaxs. I've been waiting on Longrange30 to comment back on his tests with it but it sounded promising, expecially with the lighter bullets.
I tried to compromise with my self on barrel lenght, I was going to get a 24" initially but thought that would pretty much make it a pure bench gun so I ended up with with a 20".
I figured 20" isn't too long to limit my ability to carry it and shoot off hand if needed and the velocity are still up there.
I will mostly be using my Grendel for farther out shooting on steel and coyotes.
If I need something for closer in I have my 16" AR in 5.56.
I'm still yet to get my grendel but I'm thinking about trying the leverrevolution powder with some 95gr Vmaxs & 123 Amaxs. I've been waiting on Longrange30 to comment back on his tests with it but it sounded promising, expecially with the lighter bullets.
I tried to compromise with my self on barrel lenght, I was going to get a 24" initially but thought that would pretty much make it a pure bench gun so I ended up with with a 20".
I figured 20" isn't too long to limit my ability to carry it and shoot off hand if needed and the velocity are still up there.
I will mostly be using my Grendel for farther out shooting on steel and coyotes.
If I need something for closer in I have my 16" AR in 5.56.
Re: 16" 6.5 Grendel - Anyone using one?
20 inch in a Grendel is optimum for performance in a gun that is not a pain to maneuver with. I have shot them all from 11.5 to 28'' and the 28 does well but is just toooooo much. 20'' will get you to power factor for 1000 yard, and isn't like carrying a spear. 18'' is great and will get you to a 1000 with practice, 16 is perfect for a hard hitting 0-600 yard rig with the ability to go further, with effort.
I am planning on gettin my next 20'' together this weekend. Fingers crossed and Santa getting it all done of course.
20 inch in a Grendel is optimum for performance in a gun that is not a pain to maneuver with. I have shot them all from 11.5 to 28'' and the 28 does well but is just toooooo much. 20'' will get you to power factor for 1000 yard, and isn't like carrying a spear. 18'' is great and will get you to a 1000 with practice, 16 is perfect for a hard hitting 0-600 yard rig with the ability to go further, with effort.
I am planning on gettin my next 20'' together this weekend. Fingers crossed and Santa getting it all done of course.
Re: 16" 6.5 Grendel - Anyone using one?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MrLebowski</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm still yet to get my grendel but I'm thinking about trying the leverrevolution powder with some 95gr Vmaxs & 123 Amaxs. I've been waiting on Longrange30 to comment back on his tests with it but it sounded promising, expecially with the lighter bullets.
I tried to compromise with my self on barrel lenght, I was going to get a 24" initially but thought that would pretty much make it a pure bench gun so I ended up with with a 20".
I figured 20" isn't too long to limit my ability to carry it and shoot off hand if needed and the velocity are still up there.
I will mostly be using my Grendel for farther out shooting on steel and coyotes.
If I need something for closer in I have my 16" AR in 5.56.</div></div>
Have you got any idea where the burn rate falls with Leverrevolution? Is it a single or double base?
Personally, after owning two and seeing many others, for pure velocity (not necessarily a bench gun, either), I went with the 24". However, 20" is still a good compromise. I had considered, the AA 19.5" version. I wouldn't go shorter than that though. IMO, the velocity loss brings the cartridge down below what it's intended purpose is. I would get it with a full length gas tube for sure though.
Also FWIW, I have now found my single best load for the 6.5 Grendel using 29 gr. of IMR8208 behind a 123 high BC bullet. (Hornady, Sierra, Lapua). Ether the velocity is way better than I think or the bullets fly better than they say because I'm getting around 2700 fps with no pressure signs. I've always found I either max out initial pressure to quickly to get good velocity, or I max out port pressure to get it, and that causes damage.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MrLebowski</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm still yet to get my grendel but I'm thinking about trying the leverrevolution powder with some 95gr Vmaxs & 123 Amaxs. I've been waiting on Longrange30 to comment back on his tests with it but it sounded promising, expecially with the lighter bullets.
I tried to compromise with my self on barrel lenght, I was going to get a 24" initially but thought that would pretty much make it a pure bench gun so I ended up with with a 20".
I figured 20" isn't too long to limit my ability to carry it and shoot off hand if needed and the velocity are still up there.
I will mostly be using my Grendel for farther out shooting on steel and coyotes.
If I need something for closer in I have my 16" AR in 5.56.</div></div>
Have you got any idea where the burn rate falls with Leverrevolution? Is it a single or double base?
Personally, after owning two and seeing many others, for pure velocity (not necessarily a bench gun, either), I went with the 24". However, 20" is still a good compromise. I had considered, the AA 19.5" version. I wouldn't go shorter than that though. IMO, the velocity loss brings the cartridge down below what it's intended purpose is. I would get it with a full length gas tube for sure though.
Also FWIW, I have now found my single best load for the 6.5 Grendel using 29 gr. of IMR8208 behind a 123 high BC bullet. (Hornady, Sierra, Lapua). Ether the velocity is way better than I think or the bullets fly better than they say because I'm getting around 2700 fps with no pressure signs. I've always found I either max out initial pressure to quickly to get good velocity, or I max out port pressure to get it, and that causes damage.
Re: 16" 6.5 Grendel - Anyone using one?
Honestly I have no idea, I'm a novice as far as realoading goes. I've just heard that you can get more velocity out of the grendel with that leverrevolution powder than others. LR was thinking it was really gonna shine on the lighter pills but he hasn't commented back on his results with it.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sandwarrior</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MrLebowski</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm still yet to get my grendel but I'm thinking about trying the leverrevolution powder with some 95gr Vmaxs & 123 Amaxs. I've been waiting on Longrange30 to comment back on his tests with it but it sounded promising, expecially with the lighter bullets.
I tried to compromise with my self on barrel lenght, I was going to get a 24" initially but thought that would pretty much make it a pure bench gun so I ended up with with a 20".
I figured 20" isn't too long to limit my ability to carry it and shoot off hand if needed and the velocity are still up there.
I will mostly be using my Grendel for farther out shooting on steel and coyotes.
If I need something for closer in I have my 16" AR in 5.56.</div></div>
Have you got any idea where the burn rate falls with Leverrevolution? Is it a single or double base?
Personally, after owning two and seeing many others, for pure velocity (not necessarily a bench gun, either), I went with the 24". However, 20" is still a good compromise. I had considered, the AA 19.5" version. I wouldn't go shorter than that though. IMO, the velocity loss brings the cartridge down below what it's intended purpose is. I would get it with a full length gas tube for sure though.
Also FWIW, I have now found my single best load for the 6.5 Grendel using 29 gr. of IMR8208 behind a 123 high BC bullet. (Hornady, Sierra, Lapua). Ether the velocity is way better than I think or the bullets fly better than they say because I'm getting around 2700 fps with no pressure signs. I've always found I either max out initial pressure to quickly to get good velocity, or I max out port pressure to get it, and that causes damage. </div></div>
Honestly I have no idea, I'm a novice as far as realoading goes. I've just heard that you can get more velocity out of the grendel with that leverrevolution powder than others. LR was thinking it was really gonna shine on the lighter pills but he hasn't commented back on his results with it.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sandwarrior</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MrLebowski</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm still yet to get my grendel but I'm thinking about trying the leverrevolution powder with some 95gr Vmaxs & 123 Amaxs. I've been waiting on Longrange30 to comment back on his tests with it but it sounded promising, expecially with the lighter bullets.
I tried to compromise with my self on barrel lenght, I was going to get a 24" initially but thought that would pretty much make it a pure bench gun so I ended up with with a 20".
I figured 20" isn't too long to limit my ability to carry it and shoot off hand if needed and the velocity are still up there.
I will mostly be using my Grendel for farther out shooting on steel and coyotes.
If I need something for closer in I have my 16" AR in 5.56.</div></div>
Have you got any idea where the burn rate falls with Leverrevolution? Is it a single or double base?
Personally, after owning two and seeing many others, for pure velocity (not necessarily a bench gun, either), I went with the 24". However, 20" is still a good compromise. I had considered, the AA 19.5" version. I wouldn't go shorter than that though. IMO, the velocity loss brings the cartridge down below what it's intended purpose is. I would get it with a full length gas tube for sure though.
Also FWIW, I have now found my single best load for the 6.5 Grendel using 29 gr. of IMR8208 behind a 123 high BC bullet. (Hornady, Sierra, Lapua). Ether the velocity is way better than I think or the bullets fly better than they say because I'm getting around 2700 fps with no pressure signs. I've always found I either max out initial pressure to quickly to get good velocity, or I max out port pressure to get it, and that causes damage. </div></div>
Re: 16" 6.5 Grendel - Anyone using one?
thanks MrLebowski,
I have to comment on the AA2520. In the past, it seemed like the only powder that would get me great velocity out of my rifles, without overpressuring either at the chamber or the port. But, I always found I had to load summer for summer and winter for winter. The reason, is without enough initial pressure, peak pressure occurs too far down the barrel. So, in the cold when the AA2520 doesn't light off so well, I'd get the issues. I had to STEP UP the load to make it work right. Then when temps warmed up, bring the load back down. I probably ruined 300-400 pieces of brass figuring that out.
With the 8208, it's fast burning but has a soft pressure ceiling. I'm never going to overpressure at the port because of the burn rate. From there I can just work up to where the load works.
As I've said before in other posts, the issue I have with the Grendel (and the 6.8 SPC too) is that you have an increase in case volume and that takes up the latitude you used to have when reloading .223/5.56. You start to see problems with them when you get the carbine length gas tubes.
thanks MrLebowski,
I have to comment on the AA2520. In the past, it seemed like the only powder that would get me great velocity out of my rifles, without overpressuring either at the chamber or the port. But, I always found I had to load summer for summer and winter for winter. The reason, is without enough initial pressure, peak pressure occurs too far down the barrel. So, in the cold when the AA2520 doesn't light off so well, I'd get the issues. I had to STEP UP the load to make it work right. Then when temps warmed up, bring the load back down. I probably ruined 300-400 pieces of brass figuring that out.
With the 8208, it's fast burning but has a soft pressure ceiling. I'm never going to overpressure at the port because of the burn rate. From there I can just work up to where the load works.
As I've said before in other posts, the issue I have with the Grendel (and the 6.8 SPC too) is that you have an increase in case volume and that takes up the latitude you used to have when reloading .223/5.56. You start to see problems with them when you get the carbine length gas tubes.
Re: 16" 6.5 Grendel - Anyone using one?
LeverRevolution falls right next to BL-C(2) and WIN748 on the burn rate chart which is why alot of Grendel shooters are so interested in trying it.
I have some 120gr. Nosler Ballistic Tips with 28.0gr. to 32.0gr. to be tested. Also have loaded 123gr. Hornady A-MAX's with 29.0gr. to 31.8gr. to be tested all have AA brass, CCI#450 Primers and a OAL of 2.250".
I will be testing out of a 18"with Sabre bbl w/ 1-7.5 twist.
I have not been able to get to the range to test and chronograph these because of the snowy weather.
I will definetly post the results when i get a chance to shoot them.
Win748, BL-C(2), AA2520, TAC, X-Term, LVR, Benchmark (light bullets), 8208xbr, and some of the Vihta Vuori powders seem to be the optimum powders for the Grendel. Stick to the"ball" powders. I mainly only use Win748 AA2520 BL- C(2) - In order.
I will like to try the new Hodgdon CFE 223 powder also with my Grendel whenever my local shops get some in. Some others are having some luck with IMR 8208XBR too.
I have read some posts on the Grendel forum where guys are getting great accuracy and velocity with 31.5gr.-32.0gr. of LeveRevolution with 123gr. A-MAX's and the 120gr. Barnes bullets.
I recently tested some 107gr. SMK's and 28.0gr. to 29.0gr. of Benchmark and was very surprised in the accuracy i got - 1/2 MOA out to 300yrds. I didnt have my chrony that day to test them tho. I usually dont have luck with the lighter bullets because of my 1-7.5 twist rate. Like i said on the last post, thats where the LeveRevlolution will do its best with the Grendel with the lighter bullets, im assuming.
LeverRevolution falls right next to BL-C(2) and WIN748 on the burn rate chart which is why alot of Grendel shooters are so interested in trying it.
I have some 120gr. Nosler Ballistic Tips with 28.0gr. to 32.0gr. to be tested. Also have loaded 123gr. Hornady A-MAX's with 29.0gr. to 31.8gr. to be tested all have AA brass, CCI#450 Primers and a OAL of 2.250".
I will be testing out of a 18"with Sabre bbl w/ 1-7.5 twist.
I have not been able to get to the range to test and chronograph these because of the snowy weather.
I will definetly post the results when i get a chance to shoot them.
Win748, BL-C(2), AA2520, TAC, X-Term, LVR, Benchmark (light bullets), 8208xbr, and some of the Vihta Vuori powders seem to be the optimum powders for the Grendel. Stick to the"ball" powders. I mainly only use Win748 AA2520 BL- C(2) - In order.
I will like to try the new Hodgdon CFE 223 powder also with my Grendel whenever my local shops get some in. Some others are having some luck with IMR 8208XBR too.
I have read some posts on the Grendel forum where guys are getting great accuracy and velocity with 31.5gr.-32.0gr. of LeveRevolution with 123gr. A-MAX's and the 120gr. Barnes bullets.
I recently tested some 107gr. SMK's and 28.0gr. to 29.0gr. of Benchmark and was very surprised in the accuracy i got - 1/2 MOA out to 300yrds. I didnt have my chrony that day to test them tho. I usually dont have luck with the lighter bullets because of my 1-7.5 twist rate. Like i said on the last post, thats where the LeveRevlolution will do its best with the Grendel with the lighter bullets, im assuming.
Re: 16" 6.5 Grendel - Anyone using one?
longrange30,
Why stick with ball powders? That's the biggest reason IMO, people are having issues with reloading this cartridge. You can't work up summer and winter loads. Temp sensitivity is huge with this.
And, FWIW, Hodgdon, shows Win 748, BL-C2 just faster than LeverRevolution, Waaaay slower than XMR8208 and any of the 4895's.
longrange30,
Why stick with ball powders? That's the biggest reason IMO, people are having issues with reloading this cartridge. You can't work up summer and winter loads. Temp sensitivity is huge with this.
And, FWIW, Hodgdon, shows Win 748, BL-C2 just faster than LeverRevolution, Waaaay slower than XMR8208 and any of the 4895's.
Re: 16" 6.5 Grendel - Anyone using one?
WIN 748 30.5 g and lapua scenar 123g has been good to me. I shoot it out of a sabre defense barrel 16".
WIN 748 30.5 g and lapua scenar 123g has been good to me. I shoot it out of a sabre defense barrel 16".
Re: 16" 6.5 Grendel - Anyone using one?
Mine likes the 95 gn v-max with tac, still working on good loads for the heaver bullets.
18" saturn barrel
Jp vtac forend tube
Prs stock
Grizzly side charger upper
Dpms lower
Mine likes the 95 gn v-max with tac, still working on good loads for the heaver bullets.
18" saturn barrel
Jp vtac forend tube
Prs stock
Grizzly side charger upper
Dpms lower
Re: 16" 6.5 Grendel - Anyone using one?
Thanks for the info fellas! It looks like I will try the 120 class bullets, amaxs, sierra, etc....see what happens.
How is the factory wolf multi purpose tactical ammo?
I'll post some info in the next few days when I get it complete.
Going with:
16" AA Barrel
Vortex flash hider
Mega Upper and Lower
Magpul MOE OD stock and grip
Daniel Defense low pro gas block
DPMS Rifle Length Knurled handguard...
Should be ok?
Thanks for the info fellas! It looks like I will try the 120 class bullets, amaxs, sierra, etc....see what happens.
How is the factory wolf multi purpose tactical ammo?
I'll post some info in the next few days when I get it complete.
Going with:
16" AA Barrel
Vortex flash hider
Mega Upper and Lower
Magpul MOE OD stock and grip
Daniel Defense low pro gas block
DPMS Rifle Length Knurled handguard...
Should be ok?
Re: 16" 6.5 Grendel - Anyone using one?
Sounds great! The MOE stock is great, but I never did like the MOE pistol grip. Its kinda hard, I like the hogue much better. Just my 2cents.
Sounds great! The MOE stock is great, but I never did like the MOE pistol grip. Its kinda hard, I like the hogue much better. Just my 2cents.
Re: 16" 6.5 Grendel - Anyone using one?
120 Amax probably won't chamber because of the Ogive. Hornady did the 123 AMAX for the Grendel, so be advised. I have run into this problem before.
120 Amax probably won't chamber because of the Ogive. Hornady did the 123 AMAX for the Grendel, so be advised. I have run into this problem before.
Re: 16" 6.5 Grendel - Anyone using one?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Beef_Supreme</div><div class="ubbcode-body">120 Amax probably won't chamber because of the Ogive. Hornady did the 123 AMAX for the Grendel, so be advised. I have run into this problem before.</div></div>
HUH??
The 120 Amax chambers just fine in a Grendel
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Beef_Supreme</div><div class="ubbcode-body">120 Amax probably won't chamber because of the Ogive. Hornady did the 123 AMAX for the Grendel, so be advised. I have run into this problem before.</div></div>
HUH??
The 120 Amax chambers just fine in a Grendel
Re: 16" 6.5 Grendel - Anyone using one?
I have seen more than few AA Factory Grendels that would not chamber a 120. Different chambers in different rifles may swallow it just fine.
I have seen more than few AA Factory Grendels that would not chamber a 120. Different chambers in different rifles may swallow it just fine.
Re: 16" 6.5 Grendel - Anyone using one?
KPK- Here is a couple good charts to check out, if you haven't already:
http://alexanderarms.com/images/pdfs/grendel_ballistics.pdf
http://alexanderarms.com/images/pdfs/grendel_reloading.pdf
My grendel build is composed of the following:
Satern 18" bbl
Young Manufacturing Chrome Bolt Carrier
Satern Chrome bolt
Vltor MUR upper
DDLES Billet Lower
RRA 2-Stage Trigger
Magpul PRS
MI Rail (I want Daniel Defense, eventually)
American Defense Recon Mount
Leupold 4.5-14x40
Black Weapons Armory 6.5 G X-Comp
C Products Mags (these suck)
My rifle LOVES the 123gr Lapua Scenar Alexander Arms factory loads.
I have reloaded using both 120gr SMKs and 120gr Berger VLDs with BLC-2 (I don't have my load data book on me now to give you exact specs), and they ran good, but like I said before, my rifle LOVEs the aforementioned round.
Pics:
KPK- Here is a couple good charts to check out, if you haven't already:
http://alexanderarms.com/images/pdfs/grendel_ballistics.pdf
http://alexanderarms.com/images/pdfs/grendel_reloading.pdf
My grendel build is composed of the following:
Satern 18" bbl
Young Manufacturing Chrome Bolt Carrier
Satern Chrome bolt
Vltor MUR upper
DDLES Billet Lower
RRA 2-Stage Trigger
Magpul PRS
MI Rail (I want Daniel Defense, eventually)
American Defense Recon Mount
Leupold 4.5-14x40
Black Weapons Armory 6.5 G X-Comp
C Products Mags (these suck)
My rifle LOVES the 123gr Lapua Scenar Alexander Arms factory loads.
I have reloaded using both 120gr SMKs and 120gr Berger VLDs with BLC-2 (I don't have my load data book on me now to give you exact specs), and they ran good, but like I said before, my rifle LOVEs the aforementioned round.
Pics:
Re: 16" 6.5 Grendel - Anyone using one?
just picked up the Hodgdon 2012 magazine with all the new loads.
Has a big article on CFE 223 powder and alot of load data for it.
It falls right after Leverevolution, Win748 and BLC2 on the burn rate chart and its a spherical powder.
This will HAVE to be tested in my Grendel. The article where the guys tested says they got some of the best accuracy and velocity with it.
Cant wait to find some and do some testing!!
just picked up the Hodgdon 2012 magazine with all the new loads.
Has a big article on CFE 223 powder and alot of load data for it.
It falls right after Leverevolution, Win748 and BLC2 on the burn rate chart and its a spherical powder.
This will HAVE to be tested in my Grendel. The article where the guys tested says they got some of the best accuracy and velocity with it.
Cant wait to find some and do some testing!!
Re: 16" 6.5 Grendel - Anyone using one?
I am running an 18 inch upper, with Hornady 123 Amax,it ran around 2375fps, with my handloads 30.3 grains AA2520, Lapua 123, 2480fps, i stuck with this load because it trumphed all my other offerings in both speed and accuracy. I was surprised how slow these loads were, but my Oehler is reliable and accurate. I think 22 inch is really a good lenght for the Grendel for getting the best out of the cartridges ballistics. I have seen some folks using fluted barrels to save weight as they went with the longer barrels.
Rifle has 18 inch BHW 1/8 twist barrel, got this before Caudle seem to have all the problems, old RRA upper/lower, LMT stock, YHM rifle lenght upper and a NXS 2.5-10x24 to top her off.
I am running an 18 inch upper, with Hornady 123 Amax,it ran around 2375fps, with my handloads 30.3 grains AA2520, Lapua 123, 2480fps, i stuck with this load because it trumphed all my other offerings in both speed and accuracy. I was surprised how slow these loads were, but my Oehler is reliable and accurate. I think 22 inch is really a good lenght for the Grendel for getting the best out of the cartridges ballistics. I have seen some folks using fluted barrels to save weight as they went with the longer barrels.
Rifle has 18 inch BHW 1/8 twist barrel, got this before Caudle seem to have all the problems, old RRA upper/lower, LMT stock, YHM rifle lenght upper and a NXS 2.5-10x24 to top her off.
Re: 16" 6.5 Grendel - Anyone using one?
those are some of the slowest ftps that i have scene out of a 18" barrel. What does the factory 123 amax run at for you?
nevermind, just reread your post. my 24" gets around 2650 out of the factory amax. cant believe that 6" longer barrel gets 300 ftps more out of that round.
those are some of the slowest ftps that i have scene out of a 18" barrel. What does the factory 123 amax run at for you?
nevermind, just reread your post. my 24" gets around 2650 out of the factory amax. cant believe that 6" longer barrel gets 300 ftps more out of that round.
Re: 16" 6.5 Grendel - Anyone using one?
Oxn316, I used to think they went faster till I got the Oehler, unfortunately not all chronos tell the truth.
Oxn316, I used to think they went faster till I got the Oehler, unfortunately not all chronos tell the truth.
Re: 16" 6.5 Grendel - Anyone using one?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sandwarrior</div><div class="ubbcode-body">thanks MrLebowski,
I have to comment on the AA2520. In the past, it seemed like the only powder that would get me great velocity out of my rifles, without overpressuring either at the chamber or the port. But, I always found I had to load summer for summer and winter for winter. The reason, is without enough initial pressure, peak pressure occurs too far down the barrel. So, in the cold when the AA2520 doesn't light off so well, I'd get the issues. I had to STEP UP the load to make it work right. Then when temps warmed up, bring the load back down. I probably ruined 300-400 pieces of brass figuring that out.
With the 8208, it's fast burning but has a soft pressure ceiling. I'm never going to overpressure at the port because of the burn rate. From there I can just work up to where the load works.
As I've said before in other posts, the issue I have with the Grendel (and the 6.8 SPC too) is that you have an increase in case volume and that takes up the latitude you used to have when reloading .223/5.56. You start to see problems with them when you get the carbine length gas tubes. </div></div>
AA2520 is the most temperature sensitive powder I've ever used! Nearly 150fps difference between summer and winter! I use it for fireforming in my 6mmART40 and cheap blasting ammo in 223 only.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sandwarrior</div><div class="ubbcode-body">thanks MrLebowski,
I have to comment on the AA2520. In the past, it seemed like the only powder that would get me great velocity out of my rifles, without overpressuring either at the chamber or the port. But, I always found I had to load summer for summer and winter for winter. The reason, is without enough initial pressure, peak pressure occurs too far down the barrel. So, in the cold when the AA2520 doesn't light off so well, I'd get the issues. I had to STEP UP the load to make it work right. Then when temps warmed up, bring the load back down. I probably ruined 300-400 pieces of brass figuring that out.
With the 8208, it's fast burning but has a soft pressure ceiling. I'm never going to overpressure at the port because of the burn rate. From there I can just work up to where the load works.
As I've said before in other posts, the issue I have with the Grendel (and the 6.8 SPC too) is that you have an increase in case volume and that takes up the latitude you used to have when reloading .223/5.56. You start to see problems with them when you get the carbine length gas tubes. </div></div>
AA2520 is the most temperature sensitive powder I've ever used! Nearly 150fps difference between summer and winter! I use it for fireforming in my 6mmART40 and cheap blasting ammo in 223 only.
Re: 16" 6.5 Grendel - Anyone using one?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sandwarrior</div><div class="ubbcode-body">thanks MrLebowski,
I have to comment on the AA2520. In the past, it seemed like the only powder that would get me great velocity out of my rifles, without overpressuring either at the chamber or the port. But, I always found I had to load summer for summer and winter for winter. The reason, is without enough initial pressure, peak pressure occurs too far down the barrel. So, in the cold when the AA2520 doesn't light off so well, I'd get the issues. I had to STEP UP the load to make it work right. Then when temps warmed up, bring the load back down. I probably ruined 300-400 pieces of brass figuring that out.
With the 8208, it's fast burning but has a soft pressure ceiling. I'm never going to overpressure at the port because of the burn rate. From there I can just work up to where the load works.
As I've said before in other posts, the issue I have with the Grendel (and the 6.8 SPC too) is that you have an increase in case volume and that takes up the latitude you used to have when reloading .223/5.56. You start to see problems with them when you get the carbine length gas tubes. </div></div>
It's nice to see a confirmation of my theory.
My current load (.1 less than max load in Lapua brass with magnum primers, 123 Scenars) shoots great in winter, but it's too hot in the summer. I tried standard primers, but it wouldn't cycle correctly because the ignition was too quick and it blew its wad before the bolt could do it's thing. I have to have separate loads with AA2520. I'm going to experiment with powders, but I haven't had the opportunity yet.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sandwarrior</div><div class="ubbcode-body">thanks MrLebowski,
I have to comment on the AA2520. In the past, it seemed like the only powder that would get me great velocity out of my rifles, without overpressuring either at the chamber or the port. But, I always found I had to load summer for summer and winter for winter. The reason, is without enough initial pressure, peak pressure occurs too far down the barrel. So, in the cold when the AA2520 doesn't light off so well, I'd get the issues. I had to STEP UP the load to make it work right. Then when temps warmed up, bring the load back down. I probably ruined 300-400 pieces of brass figuring that out.
With the 8208, it's fast burning but has a soft pressure ceiling. I'm never going to overpressure at the port because of the burn rate. From there I can just work up to where the load works.
As I've said before in other posts, the issue I have with the Grendel (and the 6.8 SPC too) is that you have an increase in case volume and that takes up the latitude you used to have when reloading .223/5.56. You start to see problems with them when you get the carbine length gas tubes. </div></div>
It's nice to see a confirmation of my theory.
My current load (.1 less than max load in Lapua brass with magnum primers, 123 Scenars) shoots great in winter, but it's too hot in the summer. I tried standard primers, but it wouldn't cycle correctly because the ignition was too quick and it blew its wad before the bolt could do it's thing. I have to have separate loads with AA2520. I'm going to experiment with powders, but I haven't had the opportunity yet.
Re: 16" 6.5 Grendel - Anyone using one?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: vmpgsc</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The Hornady 123gr Amax factory ammo goes about 2400fps in a 16" barrel, Wolf Gold 120MPT about 25fps slower than that.
I like my 16" Grendel.
</div></div>
Its kinda wierd....I saw this EXACT same rifle on BCM Co. website with the same white background. It kinda looks like you blackouted (photoshopped) the BCM logo on the upper reciever right in front of the charging handle......kinda similar I guess??!!!
Thats a 14.5" barrel and not a 16". Get your bullshit story right.
Thats not "Your 16" Grendel" Thats Bravo Companys 5.56 NATO Rifle ... That you dont have.
I still love the one post on here where the guy said "I love my TRG" and posted a pic, then the next post said "you mean this one!" with a pic of the same rifle. Gotta love guys who steal other pics and pawn them off as their own. <span style="text-decoration: underline"><span style="font-weight: bold">BUSTED.</span></span>
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: vmpgsc</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The Hornady 123gr Amax factory ammo goes about 2400fps in a 16" barrel, Wolf Gold 120MPT about 25fps slower than that.
I like my 16" Grendel.
Its kinda wierd....I saw this EXACT same rifle on BCM Co. website with the same white background. It kinda looks like you blackouted (photoshopped) the BCM logo on the upper reciever right in front of the charging handle......kinda similar I guess??!!!
Thats a 14.5" barrel and not a 16". Get your bullshit story right.
Thats not "Your 16" Grendel" Thats Bravo Companys 5.56 NATO Rifle ... That you dont have.
I still love the one post on here where the guy said "I love my TRG" and posted a pic, then the next post said "you mean this one!" with a pic of the same rifle. Gotta love guys who steal other pics and pawn them off as their own. <span style="text-decoration: underline"><span style="font-weight: bold">BUSTED.</span></span>
Re: 16" 6.5 Grendel - Anyone using one?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: longrange30</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: vmpgsc</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The Hornady 123gr Amax factory ammo goes about 2400fps in a 16" barrel, Wolf Gold 120MPT about 25fps slower than that.
I like my 16" Grendel.
</div></div>
Its kinda wierd....I saw this EXACT same rifle on BCM Co. website with the same white background. It kinda looks like you blackouted (photoshopped) the BCM logo on the upper reciever right in front of the charging handle......kinda similar I guess??!!!
Thats a 14.5" barrel and not a 16". Get your bullshit story right.
Thats not "Your 16" Grendel" Thats Bravo Companys 5.56 NATO Rifle ... That you dont have.
I still love the one post on here where the guy said "I love my TRG" and posted a pic, then the next post said "you mean this one!" with a pic of the same rifle. Gotta love guys who steal other pics and pawn them off as their own. <span style="text-decoration: underline"><span style="font-weight: bold">BUSTED.</span></span> </div></div>
Let me get this straight... You're calling me out for taking a nice photo of my rifle.
OK, then maybe some shitty photos of my rifle in my kitchen work better for you:
Next time, buy a fucking clue before shooting off your mouth. Oh, and buy a dictionary while you're at it, because your understanding of the word "EXACT" is sorely lacking.
Dumbass.
ETA: Here's a link to another rifle I could not possibly own, since it's so impossible to take photos of one's rifles with white backgrounds: http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showgallery&Number=2975546#comments
Why don't you Google-fu that photo, because I guess I stole that one, too.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: longrange30</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: vmpgsc</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The Hornady 123gr Amax factory ammo goes about 2400fps in a 16" barrel, Wolf Gold 120MPT about 25fps slower than that.
I like my 16" Grendel.
Its kinda wierd....I saw this EXACT same rifle on BCM Co. website with the same white background. It kinda looks like you blackouted (photoshopped) the BCM logo on the upper reciever right in front of the charging handle......kinda similar I guess??!!!
Thats a 14.5" barrel and not a 16". Get your bullshit story right.
Thats not "Your 16" Grendel" Thats Bravo Companys 5.56 NATO Rifle ... That you dont have.
I still love the one post on here where the guy said "I love my TRG" and posted a pic, then the next post said "you mean this one!" with a pic of the same rifle. Gotta love guys who steal other pics and pawn them off as their own. <span style="text-decoration: underline"><span style="font-weight: bold">BUSTED.</span></span> </div></div>
Let me get this straight... You're calling me out for taking a nice photo of my rifle.
OK, then maybe some shitty photos of my rifle in my kitchen work better for you:
Next time, buy a fucking clue before shooting off your mouth. Oh, and buy a dictionary while you're at it, because your understanding of the word "EXACT" is sorely lacking.
Dumbass.
ETA: Here's a link to another rifle I could not possibly own, since it's so impossible to take photos of one's rifles with white backgrounds: http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showgallery&Number=2975546#comments
Why don't you Google-fu that photo, because I guess I stole that one, too.
Re: 16" 6.5 Grendel - Anyone using one?
My AA 16" GDMR is getting an average of 2445 fps using the following reload data:123 grains Hornady A-Max, AA brass, 30.8 grains AA2520, OAL-2.260"
I gave up on the 123 Lapua Scenars and SMK because the Hornady provided the best accuracy so far.
My AA 16" GDMR is getting an average of 2445 fps using the following reload data:123 grains Hornady A-Max, AA brass, 30.8 grains AA2520, OAL-2.260"
I gave up on the 123 Lapua Scenars and SMK because the Hornady provided the best accuracy so far.
Re: 16" 6.5 Grendel - Anyone using one?
That's a 14" handguard isn't it? It doesn't look like a 14.5" barrel to me...
That's a 14" handguard isn't it? It doesn't look like a 14.5" barrel to me...
Re: 16" 6.5 Grendel - Anyone using one?
I run 14.5 to 24" barrels---info in current Hornady manual for 14.5"
I run 14.5 to 24" barrels---info in current Hornady manual for 14.5"
Re: 16" 6.5 Grendel - Anyone using one?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: vmpgsc</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: longrange30</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: vmpgsc</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The Hornady 123gr Amax factory ammo goes about 2400fps in a 16" barrel, Wolf Gold 120MPT about 25fps slower than that.
I like my 16" Grendel.
</div></div>
Its kinda wierd....I saw this EXACT same rifle on BCM Co. website with the same white background. It kinda looks like you blackouted (photoshopped) the BCM logo on the upper reciever right in front of the charging handle......kinda similar I guess??!!!
Thats a 14.5" barrel and not a 16". Get your bullshit story right.
Thats not "Your 16" Grendel" Thats Bravo Companys 5.56 NATO Rifle ... That you dont have.
I still love the one post on here where the guy said "I love my TRG" and posted a pic, then the next post said "you mean this one!" with a pic of the same rifle. Gotta love guys who steal other pics and pawn them off as their own. <span style="text-decoration: underline"><span style="font-weight: bold">BUSTED.</span></span> </div></div>
Let me get this straight... You're calling me out for taking a nice photo of my rifle.
OK, then maybe some shitty photos of my rifle in my kitchen work better for you:
Next time, buy a fucking clue before shooting off your mouth. Oh, and buy a dictionary while you're at it, because your understanding of the word "EXACT" is sorely lacking.
Dumbass.
ETA: Here's a link to another rifle I could not possibly own, since it's so impossible to take photos of one's rifles with white backgrounds: http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showgallery&Number=2975546#comments
Why don't you Google-fu that photo, because I guess I stole that one, too. </div></div>
PWNED
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: vmpgsc</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: longrange30</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: vmpgsc</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The Hornady 123gr Amax factory ammo goes about 2400fps in a 16" barrel, Wolf Gold 120MPT about 25fps slower than that.
I like my 16" Grendel.
Its kinda wierd....I saw this EXACT same rifle on BCM Co. website with the same white background. It kinda looks like you blackouted (photoshopped) the BCM logo on the upper reciever right in front of the charging handle......kinda similar I guess??!!!
Thats a 14.5" barrel and not a 16". Get your bullshit story right.
Thats not "Your 16" Grendel" Thats Bravo Companys 5.56 NATO Rifle ... That you dont have.
I still love the one post on here where the guy said "I love my TRG" and posted a pic, then the next post said "you mean this one!" with a pic of the same rifle. Gotta love guys who steal other pics and pawn them off as their own. <span style="text-decoration: underline"><span style="font-weight: bold">BUSTED.</span></span> </div></div>
Let me get this straight... You're calling me out for taking a nice photo of my rifle.
OK, then maybe some shitty photos of my rifle in my kitchen work better for you:
Next time, buy a fucking clue before shooting off your mouth. Oh, and buy a dictionary while you're at it, because your understanding of the word "EXACT" is sorely lacking.
Dumbass.
ETA: Here's a link to another rifle I could not possibly own, since it's so impossible to take photos of one's rifles with white backgrounds: http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showgallery&Number=2975546#comments
Why don't you Google-fu that photo, because I guess I stole that one, too. </div></div>
PWNED
Re: 16" 6.5 Grendel - Anyone using one?
and there are 3 different MOE grips---one has softer rubber on it
----my favorite
and there are 3 different MOE grips---one has softer rubber on it
----my favorite
Re: 16" 6.5 Grendel - Anyone using one?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: vmpgsc</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Next time, buy a fucking clue before shooting off your mouth. Oh, and buy a dictionary while you're at it, because your understanding of the word "EXACT" is sorely lacking.
Dumbass.
</div></div>
[HOMER SIMPSON]DOH[/HOMER SIMPSON]
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: vmpgsc</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Next time, buy a fucking clue before shooting off your mouth. Oh, and buy a dictionary while you're at it, because your understanding of the word "EXACT" is sorely lacking.
Dumbass.
</div></div>
[HOMER SIMPSON]DOH[/HOMER SIMPSON]
Re: 16" 6.5 Grendel - Anyone using one?
So tell us <span style="font-weight: bold">longrange30</span>, exactly how does it feel to get Royally B!tch Slapped!?!
Clueless one.
<span style="font-weight: bold">Vmpgsc</span> has been working on that rifle for a LONG TIME. A little RESEARCH might have avoided the justified thumping you took.
So tell us <span style="font-weight: bold">longrange30</span>, exactly how does it feel to get Royally B!tch Slapped!?!
Clueless one.
<span style="font-weight: bold">Vmpgsc</span> has been working on that rifle for a LONG TIME. A little RESEARCH might have avoided the justified thumping you took.
Re: 16" 6.5 Grendel - Anyone using one?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: vmpgsc</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: longrange30</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: vmpgsc</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The Hornady 123gr Amax factory ammo goes about 2400fps in a 16" barrel, Wolf Gold 120MPT about 25fps slower than that.
I like my 16" Grendel.
</div></div>
Its kinda wierd....I saw this EXACT same rifle on BCM Co. website with the same white background. It kinda looks like you blackouted (photoshopped) the BCM logo on the upper reciever right in front of the charging handle......kinda similar I guess??!!!
Thats a 14.5" barrel and not a 16". Get your bullshit story right.
Thats not "Your 16" Grendel" Thats Bravo Companys 5.56 NATO Rifle ... That you dont have.
I still love the one post on here where the guy said "I love my TRG" and posted a pic, then the next post said "you mean this one!" with a pic of the same rifle. Gotta love guys who steal other pics and pawn them off as their own. <span style="text-decoration: underline"><span style="font-weight: bold">BUSTED.</span></span> </div></div>
Let me get this straight... You're calling me out for taking a nice photo of my rifle.
OK, then maybe some shitty photos of my rifle in my kitchen work better for you:
Next time, buy a fucking clue before shooting off your mouth. Oh, and buy a dictionary while you're at it, because your understanding of the word "EXACT" is sorely lacking.
Dumbass.
ETA: Here's a link to another rifle I could not possibly own, since it's so impossible to take photos of one's rifles with white backgrounds: http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showgallery&Number=2975546#comments
Why don't you Google-fu that photo, because I guess I stole that one, too. </div></div>
Bahhaahahaaaaaa......woot, LMAO!!!!!
I love it when someone makes a fool of themselves and gets the door slammed in their face.
I had the same thing happen with a 1911 I sold on AR15. I took some professional white background pics with with my 5DMkII and some strobes and I got accused of being a liar and misrepresenting the gun I was selling.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: vmpgsc</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: longrange30</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: vmpgsc</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The Hornady 123gr Amax factory ammo goes about 2400fps in a 16" barrel, Wolf Gold 120MPT about 25fps slower than that.
I like my 16" Grendel.
Its kinda wierd....I saw this EXACT same rifle on BCM Co. website with the same white background. It kinda looks like you blackouted (photoshopped) the BCM logo on the upper reciever right in front of the charging handle......kinda similar I guess??!!!
Thats a 14.5" barrel and not a 16". Get your bullshit story right.
Thats not "Your 16" Grendel" Thats Bravo Companys 5.56 NATO Rifle ... That you dont have.
I still love the one post on here where the guy said "I love my TRG" and posted a pic, then the next post said "you mean this one!" with a pic of the same rifle. Gotta love guys who steal other pics and pawn them off as their own. <span style="text-decoration: underline"><span style="font-weight: bold">BUSTED.</span></span> </div></div>
Let me get this straight... You're calling me out for taking a nice photo of my rifle.
OK, then maybe some shitty photos of my rifle in my kitchen work better for you:
Next time, buy a fucking clue before shooting off your mouth. Oh, and buy a dictionary while you're at it, because your understanding of the word "EXACT" is sorely lacking.
Dumbass.
ETA: Here's a link to another rifle I could not possibly own, since it's so impossible to take photos of one's rifles with white backgrounds: http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showgallery&Number=2975546#comments
Why don't you Google-fu that photo, because I guess I stole that one, too. </div></div>
Bahhaahahaaaaaa......woot, LMAO!!!!!
I love it when someone makes a fool of themselves and gets the door slammed in their face.
I had the same thing happen with a 1911 I sold on AR15. I took some professional white background pics with with my 5DMkII and some strobes and I got accused of being a liar and misrepresenting the gun I was selling.
Re: 16" 6.5 Grendel - Anyone using one?
thedudeabides
According to California law you have to keep this 'registered' do you not?
http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/dwcl/12275.php
Anyhoo,
Here's one of my current 6.5 Grendel:
24" Saturn Barrel w/bolt
AA muzzle brake (pepperpot style)
no-name upper/surplus ammo lower
RRA 2 stage match trigger
Burris black Diamond 4-16x50 mil-dot
Magpul ACS stock (I wanted the 'precision rifle' model but decided once I got it where I wanted it, I didn't want it set ten different ways. So, I opted to save $100 and not get the precision.)
Oh yeah, Yankee Hill free floated forarm.
Added:
A virgin Hornady piece of brass, loaded w/29 gr. of XMR8208 primed with a Win Small rifle behind a 123 Sierra in front of a mag full of them. Velocity is outstanding with this load.
thedudeabides
According to California law you have to keep this 'registered' do you not?
http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/dwcl/12275.php
Anyhoo,
Here's one of my current 6.5 Grendel:
24" Saturn Barrel w/bolt
AA muzzle brake (pepperpot style)
no-name upper/surplus ammo lower
RRA 2 stage match trigger
Burris black Diamond 4-16x50 mil-dot
Magpul ACS stock (I wanted the 'precision rifle' model but decided once I got it where I wanted it, I didn't want it set ten different ways. So, I opted to save $100 and not get the precision.)
Oh yeah, Yankee Hill free floated forarm.
Added:
A virgin Hornady piece of brass, loaded w/29 gr. of XMR8208 primed with a Win Small rifle behind a 123 Sierra in front of a mag full of them. Velocity is outstanding with this load.
Re: 16" 6.5 Grendel - Anyone using one?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sandwarrior</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
A virgin Hornady piece of brass, loaded w/29 gr. of XMR8208 primed with a Win Small rifle behind a 123 Sierra in front of a mag full of them. Velocity is outstanding with this load.
</div></div>
What kind of MV are you seeing with that load out of your barrel? I have six lbs of 8208 and have been looking for something to do with it...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sandwarrior</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
A virgin Hornady piece of brass, loaded w/29 gr. of XMR8208 primed with a Win Small rifle behind a 123 Sierra in front of a mag full of them. Velocity is outstanding with this load.
</div></div>
What kind of MV are you seeing with that load out of your barrel? I have six lbs of 8208 and have been looking for something to do with it...
Re: 16" 6.5 Grendel - Anyone using one?
In the cold, 2660. In the summertime, 2700. Cold as in low 20's to single digits. Heat, this year, 103. <span style="color: #6600CC">Edit II: the 2700 chronograph was taken in August here at around 80 deg.</span>
<span style="color: #3333FF">Edit:
The good thing though is I'm not having to save winter loads for winter and summer for summer, like with AA2520. This load shoots it all.</span>
In the cold, 2660. In the summertime, 2700. Cold as in low 20's to single digits. Heat, this year, 103. <span style="color: #6600CC">Edit II: the 2700 chronograph was taken in August here at around 80 deg.</span>
<span style="color: #3333FF">Edit:
The good thing though is I'm not having to save winter loads for winter and summer for summer, like with AA2520. This load shoots it all.</span>
Re: 16" 6.5 Grendel - Anyone using one?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: vmpgsc</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
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Wait a minute! I've seen that kitchen counter before on TV!!! It cant be yours
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: vmpgsc</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
</div></div>
Wait a minute! I've seen that kitchen counter before on TV!!! It cant be yours
Re: 16" 6.5 Grendel - Anyone using one?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
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Photoshop !
(I'm kidding, of course... Nice rifle.)
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
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Photoshop !
(I'm kidding, of course... Nice rifle.)
Re: 16" 6.5 Grendel - Anyone using one?
One day I hope to have a rifle so nice that internet-dwellers call BS on me when I show them pics because it is just that good.
I'd say it was a huuge misguided compliment.
One day I hope to have a rifle so nice that internet-dwellers call BS on me when I show them pics because it is just that good.
I'd say it was a huuge misguided compliment.
Re: 16" 6.5 Grendel - Anyone using one?
C'mon longerange30, it's ok, we all step on our pee pees once in awhile.
Save face and step up with an apology, it shows that while you have a quick fuse, you at least have character.
C'mon longerange30, it's ok, we all step on our pee pees once in awhile.
Save face and step up with an apology, it shows that while you have a quick fuse, you at least have character.
