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Advanced Marksmanship 186000 to 8992

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Up until no job and money became an issue I was heavy into Trap Shooting and they have the same problems as the rest of the shooting world. They all think it's the Arrow instead of the Indian. I watched guys buy $12,000 Guns and shoot them poorly and then a few weeks later trade that one in for a different Brand named Gun just to shoot that one poorly also. What they didn't realize it took practice to become proficient.

I have seen guys with the standard Duck Gun out shoot guys with the high dollar guns many times. The reason was this guy shot his Duck Gun often and had a working relationship with it.

When I first started shooting Trap in 1990 I shot a Browning 16Ga A5. Guys would laugh at me and tell me I was at a disadvantage compared to the 12's they all shot. I would laugh and tell them to look at my scores and tell me where my disadvantage was.

A year before I ran out of money a guy was tracking his top 50 shooters and their averages in the West. He had me down for shooting roughly 20,000 rounds in competition. I know for a fact I had that many in practice rounds also. At the level/class I was shooting a miss meant that I had an expensive practice session and I had many of them. I eventually bought one of the high dollar guns and when I was ordering it the salesman kept trying to push a bunch of other stuff for the gun that was not needed. I finally told him that this gun was a working gun, it wasn't going to be a Safe Queen and that I didn't need all of the feel good gadgets to make it shoot.

Heres something to shoot for. Pick the best shooter in your area and work to be as good or better than that shooter. It will give you a reason to go out and practice and to push yourself to become better.
 
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ok so my favourite shoot is what we call field position over here
off hand offhand supported , kneeling/siting and prone

oh yes and I suck to

I was just looking at the 22 comp today need to go in that

there are alot of real good shooters here but I have noticed latley ppl that just want to look like they can ...... don't get me wrong I have learnt so much from this sight I wish I found it years ago, I have learnt so much from you guy's


<span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="color: #FF0000">so thank you to everyone who has taken the time to teach me something</span></span>

I hope one day I can teach someone something

.Dave
 
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I look at the 20:1 ratio, and really don't see anything seriously wrong there. Shooters tend to fall into a similar ratio regarding the absorption of knowledge and experience to a point where it both makes good sense and also has a true accuracy benefit.

Simply put, if it was all that easy, we'd all be doing it; and clearly some aren't lately (myself included).

But I don't say this as a negative because it simply means I know where we're all coming from, either side of the divide.

A good shooter has bad days. The point is, what do they do about it?

I think such days are wake-up calls; motivation to extract heads from butts and get back with the program. That program consists of the basics, and anyone who can't find them all over this site would have trouble finding their butts (and heads) with both hands. That's where I'm at currently, and I'm not alone here.

In my case, I'm being forced to accept that my physical condition does not support my goals, and I need to find ways to change that.

So, I will. We're each of us welcome to do the same.

First stop, I'm getting off my belly; after four thoracic surgeries, a broken left humerus, a torn left shoulder socket, arthritic spurs in my neck vertebrae, and cardiopulmonary issues, it no longer works for me. I'm going to give the sitting position a new lease; and maybe I'll also find that Montana Marine's sling technique has a beneficial place in my repertoire. Certainly worth finding out.

The NRA allows employing the next-less-steady position for physical reasons, with a match director's permission. I plan to see if I can do this for our FV200 events.

Greg
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Greg Langelius *</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think such days are wake-up calls; motivation to extract heads from butts and get back with the program. That program consists of the basics, and anyone who can't find them all over this site would have trouble finding their butts (and heads) with both hands. That's where I'm at currently, and I'm not alone here.

Greg</div></div>
This made me think of the human centipede haha

I hope you can find a way to keep shooting well, I know you can do it.

-Dylan
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TerrorInTheShadows</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Greg Langelius *</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think such days are wake-up calls; motivation to extract heads from butts and get back with the program. That program consists of the basics, and anyone who can't find them all over this site would have trouble finding their butts (and heads) with both hands. That's where I'm at currently, and I'm not alone here.

Greg</div></div>
This made me think of the human centipede haha

I hope you can find a way to keep shooting well, I know you can do it.

-Dylan </div></div>


I agree, Greg, you appear to me to a man who will find a way to still travel the path you want to travel.
 
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The past year or two have been very frustrating on the shooting line. I finally realized that after enough time, when the results don't come, it's no longer so likely I'm doing the right thing wrong, but the wrong thing right. More likely, I have so little left to lose by trying a different tack that it becomes silly to refuse.

When Spring rolls in, some experiments with the .22lr will confirm or refute the theories. No sense wasting fullbore ammo and bore life until those results are in.

Fact is, I need to get a whole lot more serious about my rimfire practice.

Greg
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Greg Langelius *</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The past year or two have been very frustrating on the shooting line. I finally realized that after enough time, when the results don't come, it's no longer so likely I'm doing the right thing wrong, but the wrong thing right. More likely, I have so little left to lose by trying a different tack that it becomes silly to refuse.

When Spring rolls in, some experiments with the .22lr will confirm or refute the theories. No sense wasting fullbore ammo and bore life until those results are in.

Fact is, I need to get a whole lot more serious about my rimfire practice.

Greg </div></div>

For those using the finest training tool in our inventory, the small bore, please remember that the bore transit time for the bullet is longer than for a large bore and follow through is much more critical in a small bore. For instance, 1240-1280 fps versus 2600-2700 fps.
 
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All of us on this site either have gear or want more gear so I can't say I am shocked that the bolt gun threads attract so much attention.

On the other hand, not all of us are willing to admit we have problems with our shooting. At least not big enough problems to seek advice publicly and look less than awesome to everyone looking at us from the other side of a computer screen.

At best when someone does ask for advice on what they are doing wrong, it is hard to get enough detail out of them to help diagnose the problem. Upon giving sufficient data they will be bombarded with possibly dozens of attempted suggestions. Some may be relevant and insightful, some may be retarded, and the OP probably has a difficult time sorting out which are which. At worst, they get flamed at for asking or get told to fill out their profile as if that has anything to do with a marksmanship or gear problem.

My suggestion would be to have a sub forum where people can ask any question they want and not get screwed with. Make it clear to everyone it is a newb friendly zone so elitist who are unwilling to help don't wander in there and thrash the forum.
 
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This is my first post; it seems a great place to start

I've been a rifle shooter since childhood: 3 position small bore in the early 60s, large bore military in the late 60s, got into IPSC and other hand gun stuff in the 70s and 80s while piddling with .30 series rifles alongside. Dropped out in the early 90s to do other things. Got way hurt in a horse wreck decided to shoot again. Found my way to this site and have been reading (and reading and reading) for a year or more. Took the opportunity to build a pretty tricked out AR and a precision .308, taking advantage of an old friendship with a smith. Had great fun doing that but made the mistake of equating tools with skills. I'm now going back to where I should have started: rebuilding my skills. I'm paying attention to the fundamentals that I was taught and am trying to assimilate the experience on this site.I gravitated to this part of the forum and away from the "toy" posts for just that purpose. The bolt gun threads are certainly fun, and I absolutely like my toys, but I'm sure I'll learn more here than there

Thanks to all who are willing to share their experience, skills and wisdom. They've made my shooting far more enjoyable and productive. Hopefully, and very humbly, more to come
 
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McCrazy;

I hear you and respectfully disagree about a special forum.

Creating such a forum would be a de facto admission that we here at The 'Hide are not capable of providing newbs with the degree of respect any poster deserves.

Instead of reserving the rest of forum for disrespect, maye we'd all do better to work on our manners a bit more.

Greg
 
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Greg, I agree with you and by actions most of the members of this forum do too. Unfortunately there are a few members who like to flaunt there perceived prowess and knowledge while belittling others.

I just think it is a loss to the shooting community when a potential newcomer to the Hide and to the sport gets put off by attitudes from shooters they are looking to for help. There aren't that many of us in this long range game so every new shooter lost is a notable misfortune. If a sheltered forum would give these guys a place to get a grasp of the sport before they get thrown to the wolves, I think it would be a good thing.
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Looking forward to your reply Greg.
 
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I have reached the point in my life where I am dependent on the younger ranks for much of the commitment that makes my favored passtimes possible. It makes as much sense to kick a newb as it does to shoot one's own foot, but some still haven't figured out the one simple fact.

Forum decorum is a Moderation question. I can't speak for the Mods, and I wouldn't want to. That's their business. I seldom make comment about such things lately.

Some years back there was extensive discussion here regarding establishing a FAQ section and after a lot of debate it was decided we would be different here about such things. Such a critter would be a cold thing, and would stifle the sort of personal discourse we have come to treasure here at The 'Hide.

I think we made the right choice.

Greg
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: McCrazy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I just think it is a loss to the shooting community when a potential newcomer to the Hide and to the sport gets put off by attitudes from shooters they are looking to for help. There aren't that many of us in this long range game so every new shooter lost is a notable misfortune. If a sheltered forum would give these guys a place to get a grasp of the sport before they get thrown to the wolves, I think it would be a good thing.
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McCrazy, I couldn't agree with you more. And the difficult part about that is that I've been guilty of the exact attitude that you are talking about. I think I just had an epiphany or something
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I work in the construction industry (for now), and I must say that I have NEVER met a more arrogant bunch of pricks than construction workers. Marines aren't half as bad as these clowns, and neither are the guys here on the Hide. It's just such a turn-off to have to deal with their egos day after day. And I don't want to give the same impression to a newer (we're all new compared to someone) member here.
 
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I think it's also the particulars of each subject, and how easily they lend to being discussed in a digital online forum. I can talk about marksmanship all day on the internet but it won't help me much without actual physical reinforcement. So it's better to just go out and practice instead of starting X number of new topics in the Marksmanship section. On the other hand I actually may be able to learn a lot of new stuff about better quality equipment and making my dollar go farther by researching items in the Equipment section. I completely agree that a large majority of it is gear queers, but hey, to each their own...