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Re: 1911 buffer question
They're fine if they are not broken or damaged. I have run them for 50K+ rounds and never had a malfunction as a result of one. But the reason I still use them is just a leftover habit from the 80's, they are not needed.
They're fine if they are not broken or damaged. I have run them for 50K+ rounds and never had a malfunction as a result of one. But the reason I still use them is just a leftover habit from the 80's, they are not needed.
Re: 1911 buffer question
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Harold Mayo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Run one when you practice, take it out for carry. </div></div>
That sums it up. My CQB came with them, but I only put one in if I'm going to the range with the intention of an extended session 400+ rounds. Come home clean it up, and throw the buffer in the trash...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Harold Mayo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Run one when you practice, take it out for carry. </div></div>
That sums it up. My CQB came with them, but I only put one in if I'm going to the range with the intention of an extended session 400+ rounds. Come home clean it up, and throw the buffer in the trash...
Re: 1911 buffer question
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 427Cobra</div><div class="ubbcode-body">An 18lb recoil spring does wonders, skip the buffer! </div></div>
Why would you want to install a heavier spring than is necessary?
A 16 lb spring comes in most .45 1911s. I have a 14 lb in mine. I can see installing an 18 lb if all you ever shoot is +P ammo or something.
Putting a heavier spring in the gun than necessary will just make you feel more recoil.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 427Cobra</div><div class="ubbcode-body">An 18lb recoil spring does wonders, skip the buffer! </div></div>
Why would you want to install a heavier spring than is necessary?
A 16 lb spring comes in most .45 1911s. I have a 14 lb in mine. I can see installing an 18 lb if all you ever shoot is +P ammo or something.
Putting a heavier spring in the gun than necessary will just make you feel more recoil.
Re: 1911 buffer question
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Downzero</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Putting a heavier spring in the gun than necessary will just make you feel more recoil. </div></div>
Are you sure about that?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Downzero</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Putting a heavier spring in the gun than necessary will just make you feel more recoil. </div></div>
Are you sure about that?
Re: 1911 buffer question
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RADcustom</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Downzero</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Putting a heavier spring in the gun than necessary will just make you feel more recoil. </div></div>
Are you sure about that?
</div></div>
Absolutely. Instead of the spring absorbing it, your wrist will.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RADcustom</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Downzero</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Putting a heavier spring in the gun than necessary will just make you feel more recoil. </div></div>
Are you sure about that?
</div></div>
Absolutely. Instead of the spring absorbing it, your wrist will.
Re: 1911 buffer question
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Downzero</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RADcustom</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Downzero</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Putting a heavier spring in the gun than necessary will just make you feel more recoil. </div></div>
Are you sure about that?
</div></div>
Absolutely. Instead of the spring absorbing it, your wrist will. </div></div>
I respectfully disagree. The majority of the felt recoil is from the slide reciprocating, not the bullet.
The point 427 was making was, if the slide recoils hard enough to damage the frame (which the shok buff is said to prevent in theory) then a heavier spring would be a better option.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Downzero</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RADcustom</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Downzero</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Putting a heavier spring in the gun than necessary will just make you feel more recoil. </div></div>
Are you sure about that?
</div></div>
Absolutely. Instead of the spring absorbing it, your wrist will. </div></div>
I respectfully disagree. The majority of the felt recoil is from the slide reciprocating, not the bullet.
The point 427 was making was, if the slide recoils hard enough to damage the frame (which the shok buff is said to prevent in theory) then a heavier spring would be a better option.
Re: 1911 buffer question
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Downzero</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yes, they jam guns. Run the proper spring and leave the buff out. </div></div>
Agreed. If you run the proper spring weight/length, and change it out periodically, you will be in good shape.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Downzero</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yes, they jam guns. Run the proper spring and leave the buff out. </div></div>
Agreed. If you run the proper spring weight/length, and change it out periodically, you will be in good shape.
Re: 1911 buffer question
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RADcustom</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Downzero</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RADcustom</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Downzero</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Putting a heavier spring in the gun than necessary will just make you feel more recoil. </div></div>
Are you sure about that?
</div></div>
Absolutely. Instead of the spring absorbing it, your wrist will. </div></div>
I respectfully disagree. The majority of the felt recoil is from the slide reciprocating, not the bullet.
The point 427 was making was, if the slide recoils hard enough to damage the frame (which the shok buff is said to prevent in theory) then a heavier spring would be a better option. </div></div>
The mainspring does way more to slow down the slide than the recoil spring. The primary purpose of the recoil spring is to push the slide back forward, not slow its rearward motion. If you really thought that was true, you wouldn't be telling them to install an 18 lb recoil spring, you'd be suggesting that they install a 30 lb main spring.
ALL of the recoil comes from the escaping bullet and gasses. Some bleeds off by being used to cycle the slide. The slide cannot even move without the recoil from the "bullet." I'm not sure what you thought you were explaining by saying that the slide created recoil. The energy to cycle the slide comes from nowhere else except the fired round.
Slowing the cycling of the slide with heavier springs (main or recoil) will result in more felt recoil. That is why competition shooters use the lightest springs possible. I would not recommend that your average every day shooter who uses factory ammo use as light of springs as I do, but I see very little reason to install heavier springs than stock in a .45 1911.
A regular .45 1911 has a 23 lb main spring and a 16 lb recoil spring. Unless you're shooting a steady diet of high pressure loads, heavier springs are unnecessary could reduce your gun's reliability, and will transfer more recoil into your wrist.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RADcustom</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Downzero</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RADcustom</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Downzero</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Putting a heavier spring in the gun than necessary will just make you feel more recoil. </div></div>
Are you sure about that?
</div></div>
Absolutely. Instead of the spring absorbing it, your wrist will. </div></div>
I respectfully disagree. The majority of the felt recoil is from the slide reciprocating, not the bullet.
The point 427 was making was, if the slide recoils hard enough to damage the frame (which the shok buff is said to prevent in theory) then a heavier spring would be a better option. </div></div>
The mainspring does way more to slow down the slide than the recoil spring. The primary purpose of the recoil spring is to push the slide back forward, not slow its rearward motion. If you really thought that was true, you wouldn't be telling them to install an 18 lb recoil spring, you'd be suggesting that they install a 30 lb main spring.
ALL of the recoil comes from the escaping bullet and gasses. Some bleeds off by being used to cycle the slide. The slide cannot even move without the recoil from the "bullet." I'm not sure what you thought you were explaining by saying that the slide created recoil. The energy to cycle the slide comes from nowhere else except the fired round.
Slowing the cycling of the slide with heavier springs (main or recoil) will result in more felt recoil. That is why competition shooters use the lightest springs possible. I would not recommend that your average every day shooter who uses factory ammo use as light of springs as I do, but I see very little reason to install heavier springs than stock in a .45 1911.
A regular .45 1911 has a 23 lb main spring and a 16 lb recoil spring. Unless you're shooting a steady diet of high pressure loads, heavier springs are unnecessary could reduce your gun's reliability, and will transfer more recoil into your wrist.
Re: 1911 buffer question
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JML403</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Harold Mayo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Run one when you practice, take it out for carry. </div></div>That sums it up. My CQB came with them, but I only put one in if I'm going to the range with the intention of an extended session 400+ rounds. Come home clean it up, and throw the buffer in the trash... </div></div>Why would you practice with one set-up, but then change things for carry?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JML403</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Harold Mayo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Run one when you practice, take it out for carry. </div></div>That sums it up. My CQB came with them, but I only put one in if I'm going to the range with the intention of an extended session 400+ rounds. Come home clean it up, and throw the buffer in the trash... </div></div>Why would you practice with one set-up, but then change things for carry?
Re: 1911 buffer question
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Graham</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JML403</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Harold Mayo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Run one when you practice, take it out for carry. </div></div>That sums it up. My CQB came with them, but I only put one in if I'm going to the range with the intention of an extended session 400+ rounds. Come home clean it up, and throw the buffer in the trash... </div></div>Why would you practice with one set-up, but then change things for carry? </div></div>
I do for peace of mind, I used to get a 2 or 3 jams per 400 or 500 round with my CQB (could have been a bad batch of ammo for all I know) but when I stopped using the buffer one range day I stopped having any issues, so I dont have any long term hard facts just a personal experience in ONE 1911. Definately cannot speak for others. As for running a different setup, I also can't afford to shoot strictly golden sabers for practice, doubt many can, but I carry with it, and shoot in very low quantitys with it. The buffers really dont change the dynamics of the pistol that much in or out, not like im changing grips, or sights. I figure save a little wear and tear here and there to potentially save me money down the road.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Graham</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JML403</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Harold Mayo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Run one when you practice, take it out for carry. </div></div>That sums it up. My CQB came with them, but I only put one in if I'm going to the range with the intention of an extended session 400+ rounds. Come home clean it up, and throw the buffer in the trash... </div></div>Why would you practice with one set-up, but then change things for carry? </div></div>
I do for peace of mind, I used to get a 2 or 3 jams per 400 or 500 round with my CQB (could have been a bad batch of ammo for all I know) but when I stopped using the buffer one range day I stopped having any issues, so I dont have any long term hard facts just a personal experience in ONE 1911. Definately cannot speak for others. As for running a different setup, I also can't afford to shoot strictly golden sabers for practice, doubt many can, but I carry with it, and shoot in very low quantitys with it. The buffers really dont change the dynamics of the pistol that much in or out, not like im changing grips, or sights. I figure save a little wear and tear here and there to potentially save me money down the road.
Re: 1911 buffer question
wow, opinions. my grandfather had a saying aboutt opinions, lol. there is a guy that does the gunshow curcuit as the 1911 armourer, fixes stuff while you wait sometimes if its not too bad. old guy, looks like he carried one and worked on one in the service. anyway, he says always run them. my buddy has been in guns all his life. buys sells and trades. shoots 1911 in idpa and has 10-15 kimbers NIB squirreled away. knows 1911s by experience, but still takes his stuff to a smith. didnt know how to get the mag release out when i asked him, and wouldnt try. thats what a smith is for.
me, i get a hard on for 1911s after last man standing and ask my bud to get me a decent cheap 1911 so i can get hands on. i want to see what that safety is like, can i feel good about locked and cocked, decocking. ive never had a pistol at that worked like this. ive just had a glock 17L and 19, an XD45. my main pistol is a p7m13 so ive never had a safety per se. well i put in a buffer like the armourer said and immediately i have issues. my buddy is all "it was fine when i tested it before i sold it to you, take out the buffer". take it out, still issues. so i replace recoil spring and no more issues. add buffer, still no issues. can it save me some life on the frame? sure. some say they didnt come with a buffer when colt made them and cite the long use in the military issue... what are you gonna do? use it, if it dont cause issues great. if it does, dont use it, they are cheap, you can get a buddy to let you try one. if i were gonna carry, i would leave it out. that being said, my pillow kimber has one and i am confident in it after never having any range issues. but it just came out of the safe when i sold my xd. i still to put sabers in it.
that really didnt answer your question as much as i meant it to illustrate what people have said on both sides. im by no means an expert, i asked two knowlegable that had 1911 experience. got to different thoughts. i took a little from colum a, little from b and did my own thing. it wont hurt, it may help, replace your recoil spring when you get your gun unless its new sounds like a helpful hint. its cheap and easy to do and then you know its life cycle. if in doubt, whip it out...er, take it out, you know, if your life is on the line. and if you have doubts, take it to a smith unless you can fix it. but what do i know. like my grandfather always said, opinions are like ass holes, they are all over the internet
wow, opinions. my grandfather had a saying aboutt opinions, lol. there is a guy that does the gunshow curcuit as the 1911 armourer, fixes stuff while you wait sometimes if its not too bad. old guy, looks like he carried one and worked on one in the service. anyway, he says always run them. my buddy has been in guns all his life. buys sells and trades. shoots 1911 in idpa and has 10-15 kimbers NIB squirreled away. knows 1911s by experience, but still takes his stuff to a smith. didnt know how to get the mag release out when i asked him, and wouldnt try. thats what a smith is for.
me, i get a hard on for 1911s after last man standing and ask my bud to get me a decent cheap 1911 so i can get hands on. i want to see what that safety is like, can i feel good about locked and cocked, decocking. ive never had a pistol at that worked like this. ive just had a glock 17L and 19, an XD45. my main pistol is a p7m13 so ive never had a safety per se. well i put in a buffer like the armourer said and immediately i have issues. my buddy is all "it was fine when i tested it before i sold it to you, take out the buffer". take it out, still issues. so i replace recoil spring and no more issues. add buffer, still no issues. can it save me some life on the frame? sure. some say they didnt come with a buffer when colt made them and cite the long use in the military issue... what are you gonna do? use it, if it dont cause issues great. if it does, dont use it, they are cheap, you can get a buddy to let you try one. if i were gonna carry, i would leave it out. that being said, my pillow kimber has one and i am confident in it after never having any range issues. but it just came out of the safe when i sold my xd. i still to put sabers in it.
that really didnt answer your question as much as i meant it to illustrate what people have said on both sides. im by no means an expert, i asked two knowlegable that had 1911 experience. got to different thoughts. i took a little from colum a, little from b and did my own thing. it wont hurt, it may help, replace your recoil spring when you get your gun unless its new sounds like a helpful hint. its cheap and easy to do and then you know its life cycle. if in doubt, whip it out...er, take it out, you know, if your life is on the line. and if you have doubts, take it to a smith unless you can fix it. but what do i know. like my grandfather always said, opinions are like ass holes, they are all over the internet
Re: 1911 buffer question
I modified a cominolli frame saver with the dual buffers so it is GI length.
It works great and the dual pads definitely reduce wear on the steel parts. impact becomes steel on nylon instead of steel on steel.
The pads don't fall apart. Just replace them every 1500 rounds.
I modified a cominolli frame saver with the dual buffers so it is GI length.
It works great and the dual pads definitely reduce wear on the steel parts. impact becomes steel on nylon instead of steel on steel.
The pads don't fall apart. Just replace them every 1500 rounds.
Re: 1911 buffer question
If you look back at the history of why the buffer was invented you will see that if proper spring maintenance is part of your 1911 maintenance you will not need it. Springs do wear out over time.
If you look back at the history of why the buffer was invented you will see that if proper spring maintenance is part of your 1911 maintenance you will not need it. Springs do wear out over time.
Re: 1911 buffer question
Wait til you have to cut the slide stop to get the slide off because the buffer has come apart, wedged a piece between the barrel and frame and completely locked the gun up. I don't know how many rounds the customer had on the one that came apart, except, one too many.
Anyone who thinks running one is saving your frame is fooling themselves and risking failure. Aside from the potential of coming apart they also limit slide travel.
If the buffer is getting beat up, then you need a heavier recoil spring in the gun, PERIOD.
Tune the spring for the load you are using and run it without the buffer.
Wait til you have to cut the slide stop to get the slide off because the buffer has come apart, wedged a piece between the barrel and frame and completely locked the gun up. I don't know how many rounds the customer had on the one that came apart, except, one too many.
Anyone who thinks running one is saving your frame is fooling themselves and risking failure. Aside from the potential of coming apart they also limit slide travel.
If the buffer is getting beat up, then you need a heavier recoil spring in the gun, PERIOD.
Tune the spring for the load you are using and run it without the buffer.
Re: 1911 buffer question
Some guns wont permit you to slingshot to release the the slide with a buff in. Thats a big negative in my book.
Some guns wont permit you to slingshot to release the the slide with a buff in. Thats a big negative in my book.
Re: 1911 buffer question
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JoeRe</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Some guns wont permit you to slingshot to release the the slide with a buff in. Thats a big negative in my book. </div></div>
None of mine will. That is the primary reason why I won't run one.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JoeRe</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Some guns wont permit you to slingshot to release the the slide with a buff in. Thats a big negative in my book. </div></div>
None of mine will. That is the primary reason why I won't run one.
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