2 rifles for nrl22 nrl22x

[PPS LRPS.260]

I've been working on running 2 different rifles for nrl22 and nrl22x one is a vudoo the other is a kidd 1022 ,thats kinda hard to do, any thoughts????
My plan was to shoot one or the other based on the c.o.f. its hard to do due to totally different setups. Maybe this is a bad idea. But i deff like the challenge.

 

[littlepod]

Where would the kidd be better than the Vudoo? 120s is plenty for so the stages so never felt I needed semi auto speed.

 

[Tiger_Shilone]

Huge difference in mv between the two rifles with the same ammo, the semi auto is using part of its energy to cycle the bolt. My experience is 40-60 fps loss for the semi auto compared to the bolt with same barrel length. This means different dope for each.

Using a bolt for everything has its advantages. Learn riflemans cadence and time isn’t an issue for stages

 

[DFOOSKING]

I can see in X match stages a semi could be an advantage.

We had the mover stage....20 rounds. You had to hit the "big" mover for points. Hit the "small" mover to bank them.

A 15 or 25 round mag and the semi would make that stage much easier than bolt guys running 10 or 12 round mags.

We also had a stage....same event....where you had 30 seconds to drop down on the clock and engage a triangle at 150yds. The 12-ish year old in my squad despite being a relative novice outshot me simply because his 15 round mag let him rapid fire that target in the heavy mirage. Top shooter of the day was also in my squad with 9 hits using a RimX.

The only time I've seen a semi being an advantage in regular NRL22 is on bonus stages where the MD put out a spinner or a stage with a shit ton of single shot per target engagements. The regular stages are designed to be passable by Novice/Intermediate skill levels.

Last season there was maybe 2 stages where if you wanted 10 hits you really really had to hussle. That was the shooter...not the gun that had to be fast.

I would like to see the "call safe" rule enforced better. Most of the time the shooter clicks the safe on (or not) and gets the verbal warning. They go "oops" and engage the safety and continue on. They need to be moved back to the previous position and suffer the time penalty for not properly engaging the safe and calling safe. Otherwise what is the point of the rule?

People get their acts together real quick when a stage DQ or match DQ is handed out for say a ND for example. I don't see that fear on people failing to maintain the safe procedure on a semi ever. They have speed advantage....there shouldn't be an excuse that you can't do it properly.

 

[BuckeyePrecision]

I am with Littlepod and Tiger, run your Vudoo enough and you will learn to run the bolt fast and smooth enough to not have to worry about the time. I started shooting PRS22 matches last year after a few years of NRL22, going from a 120 second par time to a 90 second was a kind of tough transition and I timed out on a lot of stages. I thought about going to a semi auto after the first one, but I stuck with my Tikka. Now that I have adjusted my internal clock (best way I can say it) to the shorter par times, I never time out unless I make a mistake.

 

[basman]

I am with Littlepod and Tiger, run your Vudoo enough and you will learn to run the bolt fast and smooth enough to not have to worry about the time. I started shooting PRS22 matches last year after a few years of NRL22, going from a 120 second par time to a 90 second was a kind of tough transition and I timed out on a lot of stages. I thought about going to a semi auto after the first one, but I stuck with my Tikka. Now that I have adjusted my internal clock (best way I can say it) to the shorter par times, I never time out unless I make a mistake.

I think that the only stage where a semi is an “advantage “ may be the timed stage.
after shooting 90 second stages, 120 seconds seems like forever

 

[PPS LRPS.260]

Yes my point exactly, you look at the c.o.f. and determ which rifle would work best on that c.o.f. example,a really fast stage ,time restraints or alot of moving...

 

[PPS LRPS.260]

You cant use 2 rifles in a match i know but you can pull the cof up and take a look at what rifle to use, grant it not all cof will be semiautomatic worthy but you can tell which may or may not work best. The vudoo is definitely more accurate and more consistant but my kidd isnt to far behind. Trued dope with each rifle..... My problem is i enjoy building them and getting them to shoot with the right ammo as much as i do shooting the match. I have 3 semiauto Kidd's and 2 vudoos and 2 czs all match worthy..i have a addiction AND I CANT HELP IT......LOL

 

[A&8's]

Maybe I'm confused or misreading something. Or maybe I'm different than other MD's. As a MD, I would not allow 1 shooter to bring 2 rifles and choose which they wish to use once the match has already started, unless due to equipment failure. Then they would not be allowed to return to using the 1st rifle. Like I said, maybe I'm not understanding something.

IMO, I have seen only a couple cof's where a semi would be beneficial. Spinners and movers come to mind. But, as stated above, a bolt can be ran nearly as efficiently as a semi to the point where running a bolt vs semi would be a moot point.

 

[PPS LRPS.260]

No,,,,,,,, not use 2 rifles look at c.o.f. then based On that choose which rifle,,, shooting 2 rifles in a match is a NO NO,unless you have a mechanical issue.

 

[b6graham]

The vudoo is gonna win 99% of the time

But the 1022 might be nice as a loaner for someone to try the sport or to keep as a worst case backup

I have yet to see a COF for any match, 22 or otherwise where I thought a semi would be an advantage

 

[Jadams]

I have a Kidd Super Grade and a Rim-X / Bartlein / MPA Matrix that I use for NRL22. I shoot matches nearly every weekend. Oddly in practice I consistently score higher with the Kidd 22 likely because I don't have to come off of the rifle to rack the bolt (Remove grip hand then re-grip). Also there are many stages that are time constrained that many people don't complete. Also surprisingly the accuracy is about the same as I was just at the Lapua test center last month. I take them both to the matches and while the Rim- X gets the attention the Kidd get it done for me.

 

[Jefe's Dope]

I'd like to see matches that favor a 10/22 pop up. Or maybe a side match for 10/22s at standard NRL22/X type matches. Shorter distances but faster trigger needed type COFs. Still far enough that a scope would be favored to a red dot. And not just speed.

 

[PPS LRPS.260]

I think red forman has a excellent idea, that would be cool to do a nrl style shoot but cut the time limit in half or by 1/4

 

[PPS LRPS.260]

We do our own matches on the national forest in az...still the fire ban starts same thing as nrl22 but more long range like nrlX targets from 25 to 500ish and the only place i see my vudoo out performing major is past 250yrds. But at 250 and closer its the voduu by just a few hits .

 

[427Cobra]

You just miss faster with the 10/22

 

[littlepod]

For an advanced shooter a 12 round 90 s stage is generally accomplishable majority of the time. Hell even in PRS they have time to dial their turrets instead of doing any holdovers. I'd rather do a holdover with my Vudoo, then dial and shoot the semi-auto. So in terms of saving time, I never felt challenged in any good stage design that was designed to only be accomplishable by a 10/22.

Now for slower/beginner shooters, I think the 10/22 is good, except going safe/unsafe is usually more wasted time then racking the bolt. For really good 10/22 shooters who safe/unsafe and move, yeh they can finish the 90s stage in 60s. But that 30s doesn't really earn them any bonus points...

 

[Outdoors]

Both rifles are competitive in nrl22. I have both and prefer the Kidd 10/22 and NRL doesn’t usually go beyond 100 yds, at least here and won’t in the points race. Vudoo of course is more accurate than 10/22 but that‘s only a small part of the match. if you and gun can shoot around 1” consistently at 100 yds then you have what it takes to win nrl22. Doesn't mean you will win, wind, wobbling tires, shaking ladders, weak side shooting, stooping behind buckets, and etc makes it way harder than shooting groups.

i agree with all the others saying there isn‘t much advantage on the speed side using a 10/22 in NRL. It is nice in weak side shooting for me compared to working a bolt. Knowing your dope without reading a card is probably a bigger advantage then a semi action. I also like the lighter 10/22, but that is specific compare to the v22 i had built.

 

[PPS LRPS.260]

Good points, i like the challenge of shooting either or, its not about always winning or doing it faster with me its about being proficient and grabbing either one and get a top 3 every month.